Why do you believe what you believe?

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Well then dear friend, i would humbly suggest you read Pope Benedict XVI’s magesterial work entitled “Jesus of Nazareth”

God bless you brother Steve 🙂 .
How very typical.

Servant, you made the statement that it has been clarified that the ascension of Jesus into heaven is symbolic. Now you point me to Pope Benedict XVI’s “Jesus of Nazareth” and ask me to go through 416 pages in an effort to prove your own statement.

Please cite the words of our dear Pope that lead you to draw such a conclusion and do not direct me to a book, regardless of how great it is. By the way, it is on my list. I hear it is fantastic. Nevertheless, you made the statement and it is up to you to show the evidence, not send people on a research assignment. Please just give me the quote that backs up your assertion.

Thank you.

Steve
 
I am not going to play your game of words. Attempting to impute thoughts and words to a person is just that.

I will leave my replies to what is already posted, if you wish you can consider them in more detail.

God Bless you and all the Catholics on this site, may your Christmas and new year bring you happiness, Love and Faith.

Regards Tony
I can assure you as a Baha’i we in no way wish to take away from what the Church has contributed to the Faith of Christ.

Your words, not mine and now you are trying desperately to resolve the contradiction you put yourself into.
 
I can assure you as a Baha’i we in no way wish to take away from what the Church has contributed to the Faith of Christ.

Your words, not mine and now you are trying desperately to resolve the contradiction you put yourself into.
In reality it is a situation you are desperately trying to put me in to, why? Is it to prove Baha’ullah wrong? I can stand by my statement of unity in all Justice and fairness. 👍

If one tries to find fault one will, why not look for the good intent in what I said? 🤷

I was considering these passage from Baha’u’llah - The eighth Glad-Tidings

The pious deeds of the monks and priests among the followers of the Spirit (Christians) —upon Him be the peace of God—are remembered in His presence. In this Day, however, let them give up the life of seclusion and direct their steps towards the open world and busy themselves with that which will profit themselves and others. We have granted them leave to enter into wedlock that they may bring forth one who will make mention of God, the Lord of the seen and the unseen, the Lord of the Exalted Throne Link - reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TB/tb-4.html

O CONCOURSE of monks! If ye choose to follow Me, I will make you heirs of My Kingdom; and if ye transgress against Me, I will, in My long-suffering, endure it patiently, and I, verily, am the Ever-Forgiving, the All-Merciful… Bethlehem is astir with the Breeze of God. We hear her voice saying: ‘O most generous Lord! Where is Thy great glory established? The sweet savours of Thy presence have quickened me, after I had melted in my separation from Thee. Praised be Thou in that Thou hast raised the veils, and come with power in evident glory.’ We called unto her from behind the Tabernacle of Majesty and Grandeur: ‘O Bethlehem! This Light hath risen in the orient, and travelled towards the occident, until it reached thee in the evening of its life. Tell Me then: Do the sons recognize the Father, and acknowledge Him, or do they deny Him, even as the people aforetime denied Him (Jesus)?’ Whereupon she cried out saying: ‘Thou art, in truth, the All-Knowing, the Best-Informed.’ Link - reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/PB/pb-41.html

As you can see God has said “The pious deeds of the monks and priests among the followers of the Spirit (Christians) —upon Him be the peace of God—are remembered in His presence”. So who would I be if I could not also remember the Good done by these people, after all the Church is the sum of the Believers.

As I have said this does not take away from the good that has been done.

But now it may be time to step up if that Good Work is to produce the Fruits of you Faith

To POPE PIUS IX Baha’u’llah wrote -

O POPE! Rend the veils asunder. He Who is the Lord of Lords is come overshadowed with clouds, and the decree hath been fulfilled by God, the Almighty, the Unrestrained… He, verily, hath again come down from Heaven even as He came down from it the first time. Beware that thou dispute not with Him even as the Pharisees disputed with Him (Jesus) without a clear token or proof. On His right hand flow the living waters of grace, and on His left the choice Wine of justice, whilst before Him march the angels of Paradise, bearing the banners of His signs. Beware lest any name debar thee from God, the Creator of earth and heaven. Leave thou the world behind thee, and turn towards thy Lord, through Whom the whole earth hath been illumined… Dwellest thou in palaces whilst He Who is the King of Revelation liveth in the most desolate of abodes? Leave them unto such as desire them, and set thy face with joy and delight towards the Kingdom… Arise in the name of thy Lord, the God of Mercy, amidst the peoples of the earth, and seize thou the Cup of Life with the hands of confidence, and first drink thou therefrom, and proffer it then to such as turn towards it amongst the peoples of all faiths…

Link - reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/PB/pb-26.html

God Bless

Regards Tony
 
In another thread, an interesting question was posed.

“Why do you believe what you believe?”

Some have had experiences that they attribute to God, miracles per se. How do we know that these miracles/experiences are not simple coincidences? And if they are an intervention of some form of Divine Providence, what are the factors which contribute towards believing in Christ, Moses, Muhammad, or Baha’u’llah?

How do people rationalise their beliefs?

What is the difference between true faith and blind faith?

Finally, what is the difference between belief and superstition?

I would be very interested to hear peoples stories and rationalizations of their experiences.

God bless you all! .
Servant - Thought I would answer the original question 😉 👍

Faith is a funny thing, some search years for it some walk right into it with no effort given. I was one of the Later 🤷

Why did I become a Baha’i.

It answers all the questions one could ask about God, Faith and Life. It fulfills the Love on has from any other Faith. Indeed it shows us that God is One, The Prophets are One and that all the Religions are One.

Most Importantly, It shows a God that has never left us alone and indeed has showered upon us His Bounty.

It showed me all the promises of God were fulfilled and now that we are in the Judgement Day, all of Mankind can step up an fulfill what God wants for us all.

How great is all that, what a bounty we can share in 👍

Regards Tony
 
You really can’t stand by your statement because if it were up to you would have us convinced all our doctrines are wrong.
 
You really can’t stand by your statement because if it were up to you would have us convinced all our doctrines are wrong.
I think Tony would prefer to focus in all the things that are goodly and right about the Church and Christianity. This is a godly way of approaching things.

We all often fall for the trap of focusing on what is wrong, and I commend Tony for not following your enticements to do so Ignatian…

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How very typical.

Servant, you made the statement that it has been clarified that the ascension of Jesus into heaven is symbolic. Now you point me to Pope Benedict XVI’s “Jesus of Nazareth” and ask me to go through 416 pages in an effort to prove your own statement.

Please cite the words of our dear Pope that lead you to draw such a conclusion and do not direct me to a book, regardless of how great it is. By the way, it is on my list. I hear it is fantastic. Nevertheless, you made the statement and it is up to you to show the evidence, not send people on a research assignment. Please just give me the quote that backs up your assertion.

Thank you.

Steve
Dear Steve, it seems from your post i have offended or hurt you in some way. I apologize profusely, it was not my attention.

I assumed that you had read the previous page from this thread when you made your intial comments. But I had assumed incorrectly.

I should never assume posters actually read the thread…

I assume our brother Vouthon will not mind if I repost his contributions to this thread 🙂
“…Ascension’ does not mean departure into a remote region of the cosmos but, rather, the continuing closeness that the disciples experience so strongly that it becomes a source of lasting joy…This reference to the cloud is unambiguously theological language. It presents Jesus’ departure, not as a journey to the stars, but as his entry into the mystery of God. It evokes an entirely different order of magnitude, a different dimension of being…The New Testament, from the Acts of the Apostles to the Letter to the Hebrews, describes the ‘place’ to which the cloud took Jesus, using the language of Psalm 110:1, as sitting (or standing) at God’s right hand. What does this mean? It does not refer to some distant cosmic space where God has, as it were, set up his throne and given Jesus a place beside the throne. God is not in one space alongside other spaces. God is God - he is the premise and the ground of all the space there is, but he himself is not part of it. God stands in relation to all spaces as Lord and Creator. His presence is not special, but divine. ‘Sitting at God’s right hand’ means participating in this divine dominion over space…
The departing Jesus does not make his way to some distant star. He enters into communion of power and life with the living God, into God’s dominion over space. Hence he has not ‘gone away,’ but now and forever by God’s own power he is present with us and for us…
When Jesus was taken from their [the apostles’] sight by the cloud, this does not mean that he was transported to another cosmic location, but that he was taken up into God’s very being, participating in God’s powerful presence in the world…"
  • Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth, 2011 (pp. 282-283)
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I hope Vouthon does not mind I re-post another of his contributions to this thread 🙂

Very insightful indeed in my humble opinion…
Dear Judas

Thank you, brother, for your question! 🙂

When the pope spoke of the “cloud” being “theological language”, he was suggesting that the sacred author was employing the usage of a stylistic metaphor common throughout the Jewish Tanakh rather than recounting some kind of more physical event, when he related this experience. In the Hebrew Bible, a cloud often expresses two things:
  1. God’s Glory (ie the “Pillar of Cloud” in Exodus 13:21)
  2. The Shekhinah (“manifest presence”) of God (ie Hebrews 1:2-3)
God spoke to Moses out of the pillar of cloud in Exodus 33#, assuring him that His Presence would be with the Israelites. A “cloud” in biblical terminology, can thus have the spiritual significance of highlighting God’s “glory” and “divine presence”. In the New Testament, Jesus Christ is the dwelling place of God’s glory. In Christ, we see the visible manifestation of God Himself in the second person of the Trinity.

As to what the disciples “saw”, I would say that the Bible is telling us that they beheld Jesus in the fullness of His Glory as the Lord of all creation, exalted above the heavens. It is possible that to demonstrate this, Jesus might have “physically” lifted up off the ground, however this is not the primary significance of the event and would be a secondary or concomitant element of this experience for the Apostles. Other interpretations are possible and the use of that “cloud” in the story practically invites a less literal interpretation of what they “saw” happen to Jesus.

We don’t know how Jesus will “return” and appear to all human beings, just as we do not really know how he “ascended”. The accounts of Jesus’ ascension describe a miracle that is beyond human words to describe, and the attempts at describing it use literal, physical happenings such as “clouds” and Jesus ascending into the sky. We cannot comprehend what truly happened, what the Apostles truly saw/felt/experienced. It was a profoundly spiritual event which the Apostles witnessed: seeing their Lord departing from the physical universe and residing in his pre-existent Glory beside God the Father, in his full glorified Body, yet still being present to them because He is at “the right hand” of the Father beyond place and time; God being the ground from which all existence comes and depends on.

Christ ascending into the sky and hidden behind a cloud, this is biblical lingo for saying that the apostles beheld Jesus in all the fullness of his Glory, exalted above all creation, as the very “tabernacle” of God, in whom all the fullness of Divinity was pleased to dwell.

The words “caught up in the clouds” are used to illustrate how quickly things will transform at the Second Coming of Christ: “We shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed” (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. Verse 17 says, “Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.”

When Jesus comes again we will be “caught up into the clouds” like he was at his Ascension into Heaven, not so much “literal clouds” but rather in the Manifest Presence of God in Heaven, in the New Creation. That is, we will all - by an immanent, immediate, sudden, drastic change - be surrounded by the Divine Presence and enter into the World to Come and the New Heavens and the New Earth. The human mind cannot right now comprehend how Jesus will return at his Second Coming and how our physical universe, the reality we know, will be utterly transformed in what Saint Paul calls “the twinkling of an eye”.

What the Apostles would have seen is incomprehensible to human imagination. The biblical account is trying to put it in intelligible language using symbols that we would understand.

Jesus being lifted up from the earth and being “caught up in the clouds” means to tell us that Jesus is the link between heaven and earth. He is God made flesh and through him we, the human race, can ascend to God. He has repaired in his broken body on the cross, the gulf that existed between the physical universe corrupted by sin and heaven, that is the spiritual universe.

In him, in his Human-Divine Body, Heaven and Earth are brought together and the relationship between God and Mankind which was broken by the Fall, has now been repaired in Jesus Christ, the Only Son of God.

God became man, so that men might become God” said St Athanasius.

The Ascension of Jesus is the moment when this truth was divinely revealed to the Apostles. The disciples received the divine knowledge straight from Christ that he was the link between God and man, that he had departed from the physical universe and was now in glory with God the Father.

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You really can’t stand by your statement because if it were up to you would have us convinced all our doctrines are wrong.
Those passages I posted with my reply were like wow 😉 I mean Like very WOW! :gopray2: 🙂

Servant is correct, to dwell on the Negative will only produce more Negative. The Love of God is the Positive source and it is to that we should all aim.

May God give us all the Love that is required to practice our Faith in and with Knowledge and Truth. We all have to guard against the fruitless thoughts of this world. 😊

I wish you well in Life and Faith and God Bless

Regards Tony
 
Dear Steve, it seems from your post i have offended or hurt you in some way. I apologize profusely, it was not my attention.

I assumed that you had read the previous page from this thread when you made your intial comments. But I had assumed incorrectly.

I should never assume posters actually read the thread…

I assume our brother Vouthon will not mind if I repost his contributions to this thread 🙂
Actually I did read this post. It does not say that Christ’s ascension was symbolic. Christ really did ascend… to heaven. Your argument only holds water if you assume that we believe that Jesus ascended to some physical world somewhere in the cosmos. This is not what we believe, nor have we ever believed it. We are relegated to using human language to describe a mysterious, divine event. So no, we do not believe that God has a literal “right hand” and we do not believe that Jesus floated up into the sky somewhere never to be seen again. We believe that he ascended into heaven and that this event was a literal, divine event, expressed with metaphorical language. This is quite different from what you have proposed we believe in order to make your argument.

This has been explained by me personally numerous times, as well as by others, yet you continue to refuse to accept this as our belief, instead claiming that Catholics really don’t know what the Catholic Church teaches and need the benefit of your enlightenment in order to know the truth. Yes, that is offensive as well as elitist.
 
i believe in Jesus Christ, His almighty Father and most Holy Spirit as well as the RCC and all that it teaches because God gave me the grace to believe all that He has supernaturally revealed to mankind.

there is no other reason for my faith. it is completely a gift from my Creator.
 
it is a great disaster, calamity and misfortune to, not only not receive the gift of faith in Jesus Christ and His RCC, place one’s faith in anything else besides the salvific life, death and resurrection.

salvation is possible only through the saving acts of the Incarnate Word.
 
Actually I did read this post. It does not say that Christ’s ascension was symbolic. Christ really did ascend… to heaven. Your argument only holds water if you assume that we believe that Jesus ascended to some physical world somewhere in the cosmos. This is not what we believe, nor have we ever believed it. We are relegated to using human language to describe a mysterious, divine event. So no, we do not believe that God has a literal “right hand” and we do not believe that Jesus floated up into the sky somewhere never to be seen again. We believe that he ascended into heaven and that this event was a literal, divine event, expressed with metaphorical language. This is quite different from what you have proposed we believe in order to make your argument.

This has been explained by me personally numerous times, as well as by others, yet you continue to refuse to accept this as our belief, instead claiming that Catholics really don’t know what the Catholic Church teaches and need the benefit of your enlightenment in order to know the truth. Yes, that is offensive as well as elitist.
I just would like to take this opportunity to say that what Steve says above is what my posts were attempting to communicate 👍

Particularly when he states: “We believe that he ascended into heaven and that this event was a literal, divine event, expressed with metaphorical language”.

I did not once suggest that the “Ascension” was purely “symbolic”. I said it was DESCRIBED with symbolic imagery such as clouds, rising up into the sky etc.

The event literally took place however. Catholics believe that Jesus was physically present with His glorified body, in this material universe, standing before the disciples and then he “ascended”, and so no longer was with them physically. Hence why I very clearly stated in the long post of mine that Servant quotes at length:
The accounts of Jesus’ ascension describe a miracle that is beyond human words to describe, and the attempts at describing it use literal, physical happenings such as “clouds” and Jesus ascending into the sky. We cannot comprehend what truly happened, what the Apostles truly saw/felt/experienced. It was a profoundly spiritual event which the Apostles witnessed: seeing their Lord departing from the physical universe and residing in his pre-existent Glory beside God the Father, in his full glorified Body, yet still being present to them because He is at “the right hand” of the Father beyond place and time; God being the ground from which all existence comes and depends on.
Baha’is would find this unacceptable since you guys don’t believe in the resurrection of the dead as we do, that is with glorified bodies 😃 Therefore, you simply believe that Jesus died on the cross but his soul went to the spiritual world and this passage of his Spirit to the other realm is His “ascension”. This is the “ascension” for members of the Baha’i Faith that Baha’u’llah, according to your feast day under that name and Abdu’l-Baha, also experienced. It is not what we understand by “ascension”.

Therefore no event actually took place whereby the Apostles “saw” Jesus leaving this universe with his glorified body for Baha’is, whereas for us it did.

All I was suggesting was that we do not universally have to, nor do we tend to, interpret the description of this “event” in the Gospel of Luke and Book of Acts “literally”. Rather the language used and genre indicate that a literal event, a miracle, is being described in symbolic language as an accommodation to the human intellect - something Catholics regard as common in scripture, according to the testimony of the Church Fathers.
 
Those passages I posted with my reply were like wow 😉 I mean Like very WOW! :gopray2: 🙂

Servant is correct, to dwell on the Negative will only produce more Negative. The Love of God is the Positive source and it is to that we should all aim.

May God give us all the Love that is required to practice our Faith in and with Knowledge and Truth. We all have to guard against the fruitless thoughts of this world. 😊

I wish you well in Life and Faith and God Bless

Regards Tony
No, God might be a God of love but he’s also a jealous God, with very high moral standards. Being negative is not always a bad thing or am I going to have to point out the things Jesus said and did to emphasise this point to you again?

My problem is the same as before and in general with bahai. You bahai have claimed you don’t want to diminish the contributions of Christianity to theology or something similar. Yet when confronted with doctrines you dissagree with you will tell us they are wrong, trinity for instance or the ressurection, both of which you deny. How you deny the trinity when you can’t even tell me what your God is as opposed to the trinity is beyond me but there you go.

When you are caught however you instead insist on no fault of your own. Let me ask you, you would see the trinity proven false right? You would have us see the bones of Jesus to refute Christianity right? No doubt you would love such things if you could make a case for it or find such bones.
 
judeo-christianity is an accounting of almighty God’s supernatural intervention with mankind.

judeo-christianity is the only record of God intervening supernaturally in mankind’s history and existence.

consequently, while most other religions have the Supreme Being as their source, it is only the judeo-christian religion that has God intervening directly in history.

our Creator desires a particular, specific outcome for His human creatures; and, He intervened in human history to assist that outcome.

the non-judeo-christian religions are necessarily limited by their total reliance on what every human being is capable of knowing and understanding about his or her Creator.

judeo-christianity does not suffer from this limitation. it has God’s direct and personal intervention in its existence.
 
I just would like to take this opportunity to say that what Steve says above is what my posts were attempting to communicate 👍

Particularly when he states: “We believe that he ascended into heaven and that this event was a literal, divine event, expressed with metaphorical language”.

I did not once suggest that the “Ascension” was purely “symbolic”. I said it was DESCRIBED with symbolic imagery such as clouds, rising up into the sky etc.

The event literally took place however. Catholics believe that Jesus was physically present with His glorified body, in this material universe, standing before the disciples and then he “ascended”, and so no longer was with them physically. Hence why I very clearly stated in the long post of mine that Servant quotes at length:

Baha’is would find this unacceptable since you guys don’t believe in the resurrection of the dead as we do, that is with glorified bodies 😃 Therefore, you simply believe that Jesus died on the cross but his soul went to the spiritual world and this passage of his Spirit to the other realm is His “ascension”. This is the “ascension” for members of the Baha’i Faith that Baha’u’llah, according to your feast day under that name and Abdu’l-Baha, also experienced. It is not what we understand by “ascension”.

Therefore no event actually took place whereby the Apostles “saw” Jesus leaving this universe with his glorified body for Baha’is, whereas for us it did.

All I was suggesting was that we do not universally have to, nor do we tend to, interpret the description of this “event” in the Gospel of Luke and Book of Acts “literally”. Rather the language used and genre indicate that a literal event, a miracle, is being described in symbolic language as an accommodation to the human intellect - something Catholics regard as common in scripture, according to the testimony of the Church Fathers.
Vouthon,
. I, for one, appreciate your clarification. The mystery of the ascension of Jesus or Baha’u’llah is differentiated in the paranormal versus the normal interpretation of events, or the supernatural versus the natural ascension, with the “assumed” disappearance of the physical body and stories related to it in the case of Jesus, and the admitted death of the body of Baha’u’llah, as common to us all.

. One can choose to believe in either one, but what makes the most sense? That Jesus’ death and ascension included His physical body, as has commonly been taught? Or that this was the subject of imagination perpetuated in myth interpreted literally and passed down as such, a kind of Paul Bunyan story, or the like of it.

. What I notice is that when people are attached to ideas, they often exhibit behaviors associated with insecurities, or as though threatened somehow by the consideration of another rational view. To be detached from the outcome is an essential feature of discovering the truth in any matter - separating it from ourselves or our ego.

. When we’ve been told something all of our lives, rehearsed it ourselves, gained favor in singing our part in the choir, been obedient and subservient to dogmatic principals, it may be difficult to express ideas with fresh perspective. Rethinking what we mean be terms we are accustomed to, such as “glorified bodies”, in terms of present understanding of scientific knowledge challenges old modes of thinking, such as “where” did Jesus ascend to?

. So we end up rephrasing the story as best we can, explaining away the “mystery”, which is really at the root of the problem. The word “mist” is the root of mystery, disappearing in the “clouds”, as in a mist, is at the heart of the matter.

. “Wherever two or more gather and make mention of Me, there am I in their midst.”
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Daler everything you said could be applied to the virgin birth a story you actually have to believe as a bahai as a genuine miracle.
 
No, God might be a God of love but he’s also a jealous God, with very high moral standards. Being negative is not always a bad thing or am I going to have to point out the things Jesus said and did to emphasise this point to you again?

My problem is the same as before and in general with bahai. You bahai have claimed you don’t want to diminish the contributions of Christianity to theology or something similar. Yet when confronted with doctrines you dissagree with you will tell us they are wrong, trinity for instance or the ressurection, both of which you deny. How you deny the trinity when you can’t even tell me what your God is as opposed to the trinity is beyond me but there you go.

When you are caught however you instead insist on no fault of your own. Let me ask you, you would see the trinity proven false right? You would have us see the bones of Jesus to refute Christianity right? No doubt you would love such things if you could make a case for it or find such bones.
I would have you Love Jesus as you wish to my friend. You are clear what you you believe, then follow your heart. 😃

God bless and remember I do not want to fight a war of Words as you continue to try to add to mine. Mine was a simple statement and does not need to be complex.

Christianity has contributed much good to this world. It is the good I concentrate on and it is up to each person to consider what may be good and what may be not. 👍😉

Regards Tony
 
judeo-christianity is an accounting of almighty God’s supernatural intervention with mankind.

judeo-christianity is the only record of God intervening supernaturally in mankind’s history and existence.

consequently, while most other religions have the Supreme Being as their source, it is only the judeo-christian religion that has God intervening directly in history.

our Creator desires a particular, specific outcome for His human creatures; and, He intervened in human history to assist that outcome.

the non-judeo-christian religions are necessarily limited by their total reliance on what every human being is capable of knowing and understanding about his or her Creator.

judeo-christianity does not suffer from this limitation. it has God’s direct and personal intervention in its existence.
Eddie - Once again ,Only an interpretation, so all you have said is based on Mans ideas not necessarily what God Intended.

It is just a go around in circles look at what Makes Christianity Unique!

Regards Tony
 
Daler everything you said could be applied to the virgin birth a story you actually have to believe as a bahai as a genuine miracle.
The Baha’is do believe in miracles surrounding the Manifestations of God, but do not present them as proofs and evidences of Their purpose, which is to educate humanity, elevate our latent potential, and become what it is to be fully human by fulfilling the following:

. “The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of Him Who is the Day Spring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His 331 laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all good; and whoso is deprived thereof, hath gone astray, though he be the author of every righteous deed. It behoveth every one who reacheth this most sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory, to observe every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world. These twin duties are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the other. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Source of Divine inspiration.”

Baha’u’llah opening paragraph to the Kitab-i-Aqdas, the Most Holy Book

reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-155.html
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