Why do you feel socialism is bad?

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Okay. Give proof. I’ve given (what I consider to be) sufficient proof, and you folk have ignored or rejected it.

Give me proof that socialism does not work.

And please don’t say “USSR! NAZI GERMANY!” - no one (sane) says those were good. Prove to me that a socialist democracy does not work.

Good luck. 🙂
Your proof isn’t proof at all. They are completely unscientific opinions and questionable surveys. There is no such thing as a socialist democracy; those two things contradict each other.
 
Your proof isn’t proof at all. They are completely unscientific opinions and questionable surveys. There is no such thing as a socialist democracy; those two things contradict each other.
Your opinions are also unscientific.

Sweden seems to be handling the “socialist democracy” bit rather well, don’t you think?

Prove that a socialist democracy cannot exist, please.
 
Your opinions are also unscientific.
It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. The first link to WIkipedia even stated they weren’t sure who some of the respondents were.
Sweden seems to be handling the “socialist democracy” bit rather well, don’t you think?
based in what?
Prove that a socialist democracy cannot exist, please.
By the very nature of what each of those are, there ins’t a country with both.
 
I have a better idea: why don’t all of you who want your little socialist utopia pack your bags and move to Europe and quit trying to ruin our Democratic Republic.
 
I have a better idea: why don’t all of you who want your little socialist utopia pack your bags and move to Europe and quit trying to ruin our Democratic Republic.
kick out everybody you disagree with. I remember a certain austro-German political figure doin that in the thirty’s…

Back to the topic,socialism is actually the same as communism.
Why else call it the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

socialism fails because it makes it so that people don’t have to give because the government takes almost everything and gives it to other people, one of the Reasons Capitalism works is because it encourages acts of charity and kindness. Another reason is in a socialist government the leadership has the authority to interfere with any lives as they see fit.
 
Let me ask you a question…

What is so bad (cite actual examples) about the U.S. form of government that leads you to believe that socialism would be an improvement?
 
To the OP - have you spent much time recently reading up on H Chavez and what’s going down in Venezuela? I have. I am in the energy industry, so much of the weekly material I read has Chavez as a focus. Bad stuff going down and the people are not winners.

That is Socialism. Chavez’s turn at Socialism.

Read up on the food lines that everyday folks experience daily - horrible time simple things like milk. Read up on the current problem …water and electricity.
Like the idea of Socialism? Go read up about how the media outlets are being assumed, taken over, assimilated, conformed or whatever you’d like to call it.

Venezuela sits on a significant heavy oil reserve. They should technically be on easy street. yeah? …no. They cannot develop the tecnology to extract the heavy oil without assistance from foreign companies let alone refine it. Chavez has taken out the profit motive and nationalized the industry, so who is stepping up to help? no one.

His country has little money to invest in infrastructure to upgrade the electric grids and invest in oil extraction.
Chavez’s suggestion about conserving water? Take a quick few min shower. 👍

Go read up on how vocal opposition to Chavez wind up in prison.
And you want that? :confused: What part of any of that sounds good?
 
To the OP…I am also wondering your age. Do you have a job? What’s your occupation.
 
kick out everybody you disagree with. I remember a certain austro-German political figure doin that in the thirty’s…
You are putting words into my mouth. I said they should leave if they want a socialist government; I didn’t say they should be kicked-out. It is one thing to diagree about politics, it is something completely different when one says your rights should be stripped away via a new form of government.

With regards to the Hitler comment, you owe me an apology.
 
Relevance? Isent asking for personal information against form rules?
Those that are young and don’t completely support themselves tend to hold this rosey, utopian vision of socialism. I myself leaned that way when I was in college at the age of 20.

Asking personal information is not against forum rules; comparing another member to Hitler is.
 
Can a moral case be made for taking the rightful property of one American and giving it to another to whom it does not belong? I think not. That’s why socialism is evil. It uses an evil means (coercion) to achieve what are seen as good ends (helping people). An act that is inherently evil cannot become moral simply because there’s a majority consensus…… For the Christians, socialism and the welfare state must be seen as sinful. When God gave Moses the commandment “Thou shalt not steal”, He didn’t mean “Thou shalt not steal unless there’s a majority vote.” And, I’m sure that if you asked God if it’s okay just being a recipient of stolen property, He would deem that a sin as well.
 
Relevance? Isent asking for personal information against form rules?
Not quite. Personal info means phone, address, name. I am not intertested in such.

Age is completely relevant. As is occupation. Is the person a college professor? (Could care less whice college).
Is the OP a politician? Is the OP a high school student? I am curious as to where the OP’s frame of reference is being drawn. Is the OP someone in the business sector (capitalism?)

I don’t see any current relevance in this entire thread as it relates to real socialism being put into practice in the world today and how it has benefited the people. So I guess I am wondering if OP has an idealistic view of socialism, or has really looked at the ramifications of such.

I mean other than handouts to all.
 
Hello there! I’m a supporter of the United States becoming a socialist democracy, and having systems such as socialized health care.

Looking over this forum, most (if not all) of the members are strongly anti-socialist. Why?

Note: I do understand that abortion is evil if not done for (both physical and mental) medicinal reasons. If abortion is not funded, at all, would you be in favor of it?
I’m against socialism in general because it is forced “charity”. Lots of us do plenty of charity on our own. In fact, if the government forced me to give, it would no longer be true “giving”, would it? And, I would in fact, probably give LESS.

I gave more money to charity last year than the current vice president did. Not in percentages…in actual dollars. I can assure you I make a MUCH smaller salary than the vice president. If socialism is so great, I’d like to see its proponents practice it for themselves a little bit.

Socialism also takes away individuality and reduces motivation. It seeks to treat everyone the same, not differently based on each individual case. People are human and have individual circumstances.

As to motivation…why would I spend years in college to become a doctor or a lawyer if the government was going to 1) limit my salary, 2) tax me into oblivion, or 3) give my money to the guy down the street who doesn’t like to wake up in the morning to go to a job?

I’m also against socialized medicine on more concrete grounds. My mother has had surgery for a very rare type of brain tumor. People come to the US from Canada, the UK, and Australia for this surgery…because they wait for months and can’t even get in to consult with a doctor about their condition.

I know someone who complains about her health bills and drives a luxury vehicle.

I make a rather low wage. I am self-employed and have a couple of minor, but chronic, conditions. I pay for my own catastrophic health insurance plan that costs me about $1,200 a year in premiums. That’s about what I paid in premiums when I was employed in the IT field by large companies. I had an emergency appendectomy two months ago. I went to the local Catholic hospital where I received truly world class care. I was treated well from start to finish. The hospital bills for the surgery were about $36,000. I paid less than $3,000 out of my pocket. For having my life saved, I consider that an excellent deal.

Insurance has been badly abused in our country. It was never intended to pay for everything. It is intended to pay for the huge bills that would put us in the poorhouse. We don’t need to bankrupt our country to provide free medications for all. We need to stop being greedy, take care of our own obligations, and take care of each other.
 
Relevance? Isent asking for personal information against form rules?
HickmanJosh, perhaps you would like to assess what you see happening in Chavez-land?
Is it good? Is it benefitting the people? Is it growing the economy of the country? Are the people happy and thriving?
 
Also, regarding abortion: what if the baby’s life is in danger? What if the baby will only live for, say, 5 days, maximum? What if rape occurred? Rape comes under mental reasons. I’m not a mother, and I will never be a mother (pretty sure it’s impossible :p), but wouldn’t a woman who was forced to have a baby be resentful of it? It seems like an awfully cruel existence to be unwanted by your own mother.
This premise is very flawed. Do some research about the psychological and health effects of abortions on mothers who were pregnant as a result of rape. They often experience the abortion as yet ANOTHER trauma, which slows their healing and leaves them with lasting mental health effects. Mothers who go on to give birth to children who are the result of rape do not regret their decision. In fact, it can easily be argued that the child is a good outcome of a terrible event.

abortionfacts.com/reardon/rape_incest_and_abortion.asp

This is just one example.
 
I believe socialism is bad because, at its very root, it is steeling from one man and giving to another by threat of force and incarceration. It is the cheapest kind of “giving” to another because in wanting socialism you claim that people are so inept at giving themselves that you say only politician can give the people what is right, this however, has not and never will work. The politicians will inevitably use their power for personal gain. The system itself will generously allow for inefficiencies because it is not their money they are spending, how many government programs can you claim to be efficient?
Amen!

If I give a dollar to the guy standing at the freeway underpass, he has a whole dollar to spend on his most urgent needs. That could be a burger, a blanket, or a room for the night, or even drugs…I don’t know. He knows what will get him through the day.

If I give a dollar to the government, THEY decide what this man needs, they take their cut to cover administrative costs, and he ends up with what? A 40 cent voucher for eggs? A 25 cent voucher for an apartment in an impoverished and dangerous part of town? Food stamps that he can sell on the black market in order to make money to buy drugs?

It’s easy to see that direct giving is the most economical and efficient.
 
I’m jumping in here and I don’t know if I’m following things correctly but does there seem to be 2 ends of a spectrum: on one side, people are on their own and if they choose to give to charities, that’s their business but, if not, the needy are on their own. Everyone is on their own. Survival of the fittest. Nobody gets any help?? Then, on the other end of the spectrum, the government controls everything about everyone’s life. This end of the spectrum is called socialism? (if I’m wrong, please correct me).

I was under the impression the socialism and communism were very similar if not the same. Weren’t the nazis considered socialists? Doesn’t white supremecy go hand in hand with socialism?
 
You are putting words into my mouth. I said they should leave if they want a socialist government; I didn’t say they should be kicked-out. It is one thing to diagree about politics, it is something completely different when one says your rights should be stripped away via a new form of government.

With regards to the Hitler comment, you owe me an apology.
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HickmanJosh, perhaps you would like to assess what you see happening in Chavez-land?
Is it good? Is it benefitting the people? Is it growing the economy of the country? Are the people happy and thriving?
Chavez is a dictator sitting atop some of the worlds largest oil fields. The socialistic policy’s he is implementing are slowly killing his nation and heightening tensions throughout the region. The same can be said for North Korea.
 
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