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qui_est_ce
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They have governments. Corrupt governments.
Why throw in red herrings? Let’s talk about why socialism is bad for America.
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Why throw in red herrings? Let’s talk about why socialism is bad for America.
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josephdavid
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Socialism is bad. I never said it was good. But what got me involved is when those who say government has no role what so ever. That is simply not true. Even our Catechsim and Scripture support the government role towards the people.
Speaking of corrupt, are is not corrupt? We do not have socialism but we do not have capitalism either. I would suggest we are living in a Corporatocracy.
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CPA2
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There is a difference in equal opportunity and equality of outcome. Congress believes in equality of outcome, which is a socialist idea. I do not think that IRAs, etc. for “rich” Americans are safe from the socialist ideals of Congress.
This is the taxation plank of the Socialist party platform of 1928:
Lenin said that the way to destroy the middle class in America was through high taxes and high inflation. We have both high taxes and high inflation. We are being destroyed by socialist idea of equality of outcome. Fairness is the idea of equal opportunity, not equality of outcome.
This is the taxation plank of the Socialist party platform of 1928:
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“Increase of taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance.”
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qui_est_ce
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You could have fooled me!
Yea, I think there’s some corruption in our government. I believe in limited government. The more you keep it on the local level, the easier it is to hold people accountable.
I’m not sure I agree with Corporatocracy, but certainly our government owns too much in some major corporations. Bush started it, and Obama trumped him.
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sidbrown
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I disagree, depending on what is meant by socialism. The extreme form such as was the fact in the Soviet Union, yes, this form does not work very well. However, the extreme form of capitalism, where you have control of the whole world in the hands of a few oligarchs and their monopolies is also not good. There is something in between which is to be preferred.
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sidbrown
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The last time I checked, the USA rate of inflation was below 3%, which is not high at all, considering what is has been in other countries. Also, it is difficult to compare tax rates of one country relative to another, but I beleive that there are many countires with higher taxes than the USA.
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qui_est_ce
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Let’s keep it that way!
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josephdavid
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I agree that we have degrees of socialism which we can not avoid having. Government is to act as the safeguard of the citizens (General Welfare).
There needs to be an equal balance of both. Right now we have a tilt towards too much of one thing which now we live more in a Corporatocracy than a capitalist and democratic society. We are slowly becoming Mexico.
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josephdavid
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Right now that is mainly artificial. Mainly due to artifically low interest rates given to the bank (0%). The banks have sat on that money, and investing on treasuries instead of loaning out to small - medium business. Now if they begin to use that money and begin doling it out the open market you will see the dollar tank and inflation.
Also failed to mention you have a lot of people unemployed (20% U6) which takes a lot of money out of the market in regards to consumerism. Consumer spending accounts for 70% of the GDP. Those who do have jobs are seeing further wage cuts and thus saving what they have (i believe saving rate jumped to 6%).
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josephdavid
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It is more like the Corporations own our government. That is Corporatocracy. Not literally owning it but buying it with their political donations. Now the Supreme Court may this month give Corporations the same rights as a person like you and I.
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sidbrown
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Have you spoken to Satan about this? Did Satan make some sort of declaration recently?
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sidbrown
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What about our freedom to drive, text, and be drunk all at the same time? It seems to me that these freedoms have to be limited for the good of society. We need social resposniblity and this is part of the socialist ideal.
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CPA2
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You could not resist that comment, could you? I do not talk to Satan, but I do COMMAND him to leave in the name of Jesus Christ.
The Book of Revelation says that you shall not buy or sell unless you have the mark of the Beast. That soulds like we will have a one world government run by Satan, the anti-Christ. I think that we are well on our way. What do you think?
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jimpres
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Glenn Beck has a special on Mao, Che, and Stalin on Friday the 22nd of January.
Watch how great socialism is. My family is from Poland who just got rid of that yoke in 1998. Pray you live free in America
Watch how great socialism is. My family is from Poland who just got rid of that yoke in 1998. Pray you live free in America
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josephdavid
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So Poland is doing away with their publicly offered health options?
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jimpres
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No they still have socialized medicine but also plenty of non socialized medicine.
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jimpres
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However, Poland now has put back the crucifixes in public buildings where it was not allowed before.
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josephdavid
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How is that possible? I hear claims here that with a public insurance option in the U.S. it will eliminate public insurance.
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jimpres
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Because of the long lines etc. It is easier to pay a Dr. and see him quickly rather then wait months.
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stealthapostle
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Just sharing: It seems to me that there are not very many who are aware of the Vatican document, Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church. I have found this material very helpful in understanding the historical and political dynamics of the world. Among other things, it has taught me how to think above all the political ideologies (yes, including that of the United States, which recent events have finally demonstrated how flawed it is). All the ‘political science’ I learned in school (since Philippine education is predominantly influenced by American thoughts) appears to be garbage because none of it considers Jesus as the Lord of History and does not consider the inevitable reality of salvation. I still have to get hold of a copy of Saint Bonaventure’s Theology of History which is dear to Pope Benedict XVI, himself.
It is also interesting to note that the Pope in one of his encyclicals has pointed to the dangerous connivance of the political leaders, the movers in the financial world as well as the powerful owners of the major media to the detriment of the ordinary citizen they purport to serve, and has done havoc to the international community and global peace.
To access the Compendium, you can go to vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20060526_compendio-dott-soc_en.html
or you can buy your copy from USCCB:
usccbpublishing.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=505
It is also interesting to note that the Pope in one of his encyclicals has pointed to the dangerous connivance of the political leaders, the movers in the financial world as well as the powerful owners of the major media to the detriment of the ordinary citizen they purport to serve, and has done havoc to the international community and global peace.
To access the Compendium, you can go to vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20060526_compendio-dott-soc_en.html
or you can buy your copy from USCCB:
usccbpublishing.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=505
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