Why do you feel socialism is bad?

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Very good. I once read that a board member fo the Federal Reserve, testifying before Congress in hearings to determine the causes of the Great Depression, made the comment that, “In our system, money doesn’t exist until it is borrowed.” – Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

Everyone was astonished, but it’s true when you think about it.
 
Well because we live in america and not in france if you like so much why don’t you go there.

We actually like to work for our stuff here. That is what makes it such a great country.
st lucy,

While that may be your opinion, your. . presentation of it was actually quite rude. If you don’t agree with what others are saying, that’s fine. But, your comments are more than an opinion–it’s insulting. You’re implying that those who either are Socialist or those who agree with the Socialist system–which, I proudly do, by the way–are lazy. Judging by the status of their country, I’d imagine the Swedish are a lot like most Americans–hardworking and honest.

There are probably lazy Sweds, though. Just like there are, undoubtedly, lazy Americans.

Secondly. . it disheartens me to see a statement like:
That is what makes it such a great country.
Have you seen the news lately? (You can even watch news broadcasts from other countries–BBC, CCTV, etc., and see that our nation is struggling very much. America is sadly not as “great” as it once was. I truly believe this is why we bring up the question of Socialism, and even other forms of government. That doesn’t mean you have to agree with it, that doesn’t mean you have to go along with it. That is your right. But, please don’t go around insulting someone on one issue just because you got your hot buttons pushed by that person about another issue.)

Yes, I think it’s safe to say you got your buttons pushed about the abortion issues raised in this thread. I don’t blame you, though. I can see that you are knowledgeable about the subject and that it is very close to your heart. In fact, I learned a little something just from reading your signature. But st lucy, please don’t basically call someone lazy and unpatriotic for it. Educate them.

Educating someone–as opposed to doing it and then insulting them–makes one look hotheaded, and thus not credible when presenting his/her argument, and that’s not what one wants when trying to argue for a specific case or view. .

In any case, take care. You can take or leave my advice.

By the way, thank you for standing up against abortion. That is something I feel I need to learn more about. I came from a strong Protestant-Democrat background and I was not very educated on the issue.
 
st lucy,

While that may be your opinion, your. . presentation of it was actually quite rude. If you don’t agree with what others are saying, that’s fine. But, your comments are more than an opinion–it’s insulting. You’re implying that those who either are Socialist or those who agree with the Socialist system–which, I proudly do, by the way–are lazy. Judging by the status of their country, I’d imagine the Swedish are a lot like most Americans–hardworking and honest.

There are probably lazy Sweds, though. Just like there are, undoubtedly, lazy Americans.

Secondly. . it disheartens me to see a statement like:

Have you seen the news lately? (You can even watch news broadcasts from other countries–BBC, CCTV, etc., and see that our nation is struggling very much. America is sadly not as “great” as it once was. I truly believe this is why we bring up the question of Socialism, and even other forms of government. That doesn’t mean you have to agree with it, that doesn’t mean you have to go along with it. That is your right. But, please don’t go around insulting someone on one issue just because you got your hot buttons pushed by that person about another issue.)

Yes, I think it’s safe to say you got your buttons pushed about the abortion issues raised in this thread. I don’t blame you, though. I can see that you are knowledgeable about the subject and that it is very close to your heart. In fact, I learned a little something just from reading your signature. But st lucy, please don’t basically call someone lazy and unpatriotic for it. Educate them.

Educating someone–as opposed to doing it and then insulting them–makes one look hotheaded, and thus not credible when presenting his/her argument, and that’s not what one wants when trying to argue for a specific case or view. .

In any case, take care. You can take or leave my advice.

By the way, thank you for standing up against abortion. That is something I feel I need to learn more about. I came from a strong Protestant-Democrat background and I was not very educated on the issue.
I think it is well known that Swedes are hard working and thrifty people. And that Sweden is a great country. However, I heard that there were some complaints about the high taxes in Sweden?
 
The USSR, China, and North Korea are the examples usually trotted out by anti-Socialists. It is what I expected. :rolleyes:

Socialism and communism are not the same, sorry. Communism belongs in the same category as Libertarianism and Anarchy: nice idea, but wouldn’t actually work outside of theory.

Anyway, I usually counter with Sweden. Sweden is happier, healthier, freer, and wealthier than the United States. They’re also socialist.
Hi PlipPlop,

While I don’t agree with some things that were discussed about abortion, I can sympathize in terms of asking those questions–I didn’t really learn about the issue until, about 3 years ago.

But. . back to Socialism. .

Some people think I am stupid for being so adamant about Socialism, but yay!

I’d have to say that I agree with your stance on Socialism. At least, on the surface, you know? There are still things I need to learn about the system. I’m not for changing our current system so drastically, but I am all for change. That is, when it’s based on an educated decision.

I love your example of Sweden. Whenever I was part of debate about systems of government, Sweden was my counterattack as well. I’m glad to see another American with an open mind, who is aware of Sweden’s circumstances.

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You are correct; I do not like the strong (governments) crushing the weak (its citizens).

Socialist governments treat everyone the same They treat everyone just like slaves. Who is the master and who is the slave when you sit across from the IRS?

“It is important to remember that government interference always means either violent action or the threat of such action. The funds that a government spends for whatever purposes are levied by taxation. And taxes are paid because the taxpayers are afraid of offering resistance to the tax gatherers. They know that any disobedience or resistance is hopeless. As long as this the state of affairs, the government is able to collect the money that it wants to spend. Government is the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning. Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom (Luwig von Misses).”
Your argument makes no sence at all. Canada has about 150 people in prision for every 100,000 population. United States locks up about 720 people for every 100,000 people. United States locks up a higher percentage of its population than any other nation on earth. More than Russia and more than China. United States is the prison nation of the earth. It is also the prison rape nation of the earth too. American prisons encourage the rape of the physically weaker prisioners so the over populated prisons can be managed easier.

Social programs that ensure health care and education for every citizen of a country do not lead to more police, prisons etc. United States presently is the king of incarceration. Your arguments makes no sence.
 
Your argument makes no sence at all. Canada has about 150 people in prision for every 100,000 population. United States locks up about 720 people for every 100,000 people. United States locks up a higher percentage of its population than any other nation on earth. More than Russia and more than China. United States is the prison nation of the earth. It is also the prison rape nation of the earth too. American prisons encourage the rape of the physically weaker prisioners so the over populated prisons can be managed easier.

Social programs that ensure health care and education for every citizen of a country do not lead to more police, prisons etc. United States presently is the king of incarceration. Your arguments makes no sence.
Guess who runs the vast majority of those prisons?
 
Your arguments makes no sence.I

If you do not listen to some of the best economists of the last 200 years, then you will have to feel. I do not think that Canada is a socialist paradise.

By the way, most people in prison in the United States are there for non-violent crimes, like selling drugs.
 
My favorite law is the law of unintended consequences. I believe in plan A, B, C, etc. I always had a planed route when I was an outside salesman, but I was quick to change when I had to.

I, like many other entrepreneurs, hate stupidity. I have no patience for stupidity in organizations. We entrepreneurs are movers and shakers. Rules and laws are guides in the planning process. When our rules do not lead to our goals, we are quick to abandon the rules. I detest organizations that worship rules and laws. (It’s the law!) These organizations have no common sense. These organizations lose my respect.

Language is imprecise. Therefore, many laws are an effort to limit and restrict more than one variable. Extremely long sentences are the end-result! Tax Court judges also have to read the incomprehensible. Research shows that the Tax Court could not discern the intent of Congress in one-third of the cases reaching them. The Tax Court judges did not rewrite the law, however, even when the statues were unworkable. Their attitude was that the statue always comes first (Kirkpatrick and Pollard).
 
Your arguments makes no sence.
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If you do not listen to some of the best economists of the last 200 years, then you will have to feel. I do not think that Canada is a socialist paradise.

By the way, most people in prison in the United States are there for non-violent crimes, like selling drugs.

Canada is a beautiful place to live. Our society is much more stable than yours.

We have a very good educational system to train and prepare every young mind. Thus when they grow up they are much more likely to find a place of gainfull emplyment. This creates jobs and opportunity for all, and greatly reduces the temptation to do illegal activity.

We have universal health care. With this our citizens do not go bankrupt or lose their homes, family farms, business etc when someone of the family gets serious ill or injured. By the society as a whole supporting health care, there is more of a peaceful atmosphere as everyone is looking out of the other guy, through our government social programs.

We have shorter jail sentences. We realize that jail as well as deters, also criminalizesl. Too much jail time make it very difficult for ex-cons to leave criminality and have stable jobs and integrate into mainstream society.

We have rules for our banking systems so that what happend in United States will not happen here. Most countries have these rules. It is good that Obama has brought these rules in.

Canada is a very very stable country compared to yours. Obama knows what he is doing. America needs social programs and bank regulations to help all of its people. Obama is fixing the mess. He is helping weak, the ones who for years have been left behind, by the right wing.
 
My favorite law is the law of unintended consequences. I believe in plan A, B, C, etc. I always had a planed route when I was an outside salesman, but I was quick to change when I had to.

I, like many other entrepreneurs, hate stupidity. I have no patience for stupidity in organizations. We entrepreneurs are movers and shakers. Rules and laws are guides in the planning process. When our rules do not lead to our goals, we are quick to abandon the rules. I detest organizations that worship rules and laws. (It’s the law!) These organizations have no common sense. These organizations lose my respect.

Language is imprecise. Therefore, many laws are an effort to limit and restrict more than one variable. Extremely long sentences are the end-result! Tax Court judges also have to read the incomprehensible. Research shows that the Tax Court could not discern the intent of Congress in one-third of the cases reaching them. The Tax Court judges did not rewrite the law, however, even when the statues were unworkable. Their attitude was that the statue always comes first (Kirkpatrick and Pollard).
I am an entrepreneur myself. Nobody hands me a paycheck every two weeks. I have to work very very efficiently to make my business work. It is not easy but for me this is what I want to do.

As a business man I know that for my business to work well I need customers. Customers need to have money to buy things. Canada’s social programs help my business by making a society that is much more stable and well off so that they can buy my things. When people buy my things I in turn can buy other peoples’ thngs and we all live well.

Socialism is the only form of government that really works. Canada and Europe are testimates to this. With Obama at the helm things are looking up for America and the world. Hopefully Obama can achieve his objectives.
 
I am an entrepreneur myself. Nobody hands me a paycheck every two weeks. I have to work very very efficiently to make my business work. It is not easy but for me this is what I want to do.

As a business man I know that for my business to work well I need customers. Customers need to have money to buy things. Canada’s social programs help my business by making a society that is much more stable and well off so that they can buy my things. When people buy my things I in turn can buy other peoples’ thngs and we all live well.

Socialism is the only form of government that really works. Canada and Europe are testimates to this. With Obama at the helm things are looking up for America and the world. Hopefully Obama can achieve his objectives.
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"An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student, but had once failed an entire class.

The students insisted that socialism worked since no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism.”

“All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade.”

After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who had studied hard were upset while the students who had studied very little were happy.

But, as the second test rolled around, the students who had studied little studied even less and the ones who had studied hard decided that since they couldn’t make an A, they also studied less. The second Test average was a D.

No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average grade was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling, all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else.

To their great surprise all failed. The professor told them that socialism would ultimately fail because the harder people try to succeed the greater their reward (capitalism) but when a government takes all the reward away (socialism) no one will try or succeed.
americanelephant.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/a-lesson-in-socialism/
 
Socialism is the only form of government that really works. Canada and Europe are testimates to this.
Canada has about 150 people in prision for every 100,000 population. United States locks up about 720 people for every 100,000 people. United States locks up a higher percentage of its population than any other nation on earth. More than Russia and more than China. United States is the prison nation of the earth. It is also the prison rape nation of the earth too. American prisons encourage the rape of the physically weaker prisioners so the over populated prisons can be managed easier.

Social programs that ensure health care and education for every citizen of a country do not lead to more police, prisons etc. United States presently is the king of incarceration.
The jail rates in the USA show conclusively that capitalism has not worked and it is time to take a look at the socialist countries which have lower crime and jail rates than the USA…
 
Gammon’s Law by David Gratzer
May 27, 2004

“Health care is the single most important priority of Canadians. Canadians want renewal for this generation and for generations to come. This sets out an action plan that will ensure all Canadians have timely access to quality health care on the basis of need and not ability to pay. For its part, the Government of Canada is making significant investments …” Prime Minister of Canada, announcing new funding

Public acknowledgment of (Canada’s) Medicare’s deep woes – waiting lists, inadequate medical technology, a dearth of doctors and nurses – has not resulted in a meaningful agenda forwarded by our politicians. Health spending across the country has been soaring in recent years, up from $78.5-billion in 1997 to $121.4-billion in 2003… Expenditures in Ontario, by the way, rose long before Mr. McGuinty’s election, up from $30.7-billion to $48.3-billion over that period. If more money were the cure, wouldn’t Ontario’s 57% increase over the past seven years have done just that? In fact, it’s difficult to argue we’ve seen any improvement.

Dr. Max Gammon was a British physician who sought to solve a public policy riddle: In the 1960s, the government spent significantly more on health care than it had previously, but the National Health Service didn’t seem any better for it. After an extensive study of the British system of socialized medicine, Dr. Gammon formulated his law: “In a bureaucratic system, increase in expenditure will be matched by fall in production.”

Dr. Gammon reasoned: "Such systems will act rather like ‘black holes,’ in the economic universe, simultaneously sucking in resources, and shrinking in terms of ‘emitted production.’ "
 
Socialism is the only form of government that really works. Canada and Europe are testimates to this. With Obama at the helm things are looking up for America and the world. Hopefully Obama can achieve his objectives.

New Zealand shows that socialism does not work and that free enterprise does work. New Zealand went bankrupt because of socialism.

Have you ever heard of Max Gammons’s Law? Have you ever taken a college course in social economics or any college course in economics? Are you aware of the reasons that the Catholic Church opposes socialism? I applaud your idealism, but I abhor your naïveté.
 
The jail rates in the USA show conclusively that capitalism has not worked and it is time to take a look at the socialist countries which have lower crime and jail rates than the USA…
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The negatives in the United States are because we have too much government and too many laws.
 
The jail rates in the USA show conclusively that capitalism has not worked and it is time to take a look at the socialist countries which have lower crime and jail rates than the USA…
If crime rates are an indication of capitalistic failure, Hong Kong should have the highest incarceration rate on the planet.
 
All this discussion about money, debt, stocks, taxes, possessions, earthly happiness. Satan roars with laughter as the deceived run about shouting “it’s mine” “no, it’s MINE”, “no, it’s ours”, “no, it’s theirs”, “no, it’s everyone’s” — followed by: “and we have the figures to prove it”.

What a huge waste.

The object in life is to get to Heaven and try to bring as many one can. If one is being mercilessly crushed in North Korea or blissfully happy in Sweden, neither situation is a guarantee of Heaven. Once the infinitesimal time of human life has expired, there will be a Final Judgment: Heaven or Hell for eternity. There will be no appeals, ideology, lawyers, doctors, debates, pundits, materials, money, wars, politicians, appeals, slick talk, crafty writing, constitutions or anything earthly that will change that Judgment. In the end: God Knows.

Try one’s best to live in the image of Christ, faithfully, obediently and lovingly as His church, The Catholic Church, teaches and, if worthy, then the shackles of the world will fall away and perfect happiness, Heaven, will be one’s final existence. Forever.

God bless on the journey.
The Church rejects socialism. Thus, it is an important argument.

Socialism deadens individual charity. Thus, it is an important argument.

Socialism restricts freedom and, in the worst cases, oppresses people. Thus, it is an important argument.

Peace,
Dante
 
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