Why do you feel socialism is bad?

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Live according to His will and the church He established. Embrace, believe and live what is taught then what everyone needs will be obvious.

When God gives one the gift of charity, one gives the gift in a personal way so that Christ is seen with every gift. It is a way of giving that has much more meaning than dumping money into a cold, faceless, soulless, bottomless pit.

Does that lead people to their own devices? Yes!!! Let’s see who’s really charitable.

Imagine facing God and when asked if one was charitable responding with: “I paid my taxes”.

It is true that by paying taxes that one has rendered unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.

By giving of oneself by free will one has rendered that which is God’s unto God, because we must see God in everyone.
Pure disgusting hyprocrisy!

On judgement day Jesus will say, “What you did to the least of these you did to Me”.

If anyone helps stop social programs that give help the the weakest of society by voting against them etc. that individual has denied Jesus education! That individual has denied Jesus health care! That individual has helped throw Jesus out of hospitals and out on the street when He can’t pay!!
Let’s smile at Jesus in the weakest of our society by supporting Obama’s social programs that give our living Lord education, health care and dignity.

Let’s serve Love because Love is God!

Praise Jesus!!
 
Pure disgusting hyprocrisy!

On judgement day Jesus will say, “What you did to the least of these you did to Me”.

If anyone helps stop social programs that give help the the weakest of society by voting against them etc. that individual has denied Jesus education! That individual has denied Jesus health care! That individual has helped throw Jesus out of hospitals and out on the street when He can’t pay!!

Let’s smile at Jesus in the weakest of our society by supporting Obama’s social programs that give our living Lord education, health care and dignity.

Let’s serve Love because Love is God!

Praise Jesus!!
 
Pure disgusting hyprocrisy!

On judgement day Jesus will say, “What you did to the least of these you did to Me”.

If anyone helps stop social programs that give help the the weakest of society by voting against them etc. that individual has denied Jesus education! That individual has denied Jesus health care! That individual has helped throw Jesus out of hospitals and out on the street when He can’t pay!!
Let’s smile at Jesus in the weakest of our society by supporting Obama’s social programs that give our living Lord education, health care and dignity.

Let’s serve Love because Love is God!

Praise Jesus!!
:eek:

Wow! Are you saying that if we do not support Obama’s social programs, we are commiting a sin?

You are indeed a true believer in salvation by law. Salvation by law has never worked and never will work. You are not afraid of too much government power, are you? Your arguments sound like you have never taken a college economics course.

God gave us a free will. Government’s social programs take away our free will. Isn’t it about time you read about the Chatolic Church’s opposition on socialism? It is about time that you lerned about social economics?

** Test Review **

Define economics.
Define “change in quantity demanded.” Illustrate a “decrease in quantity demanded”on a graph in good form. (Show prices and quantities demanded.)
Define “change in demand.” Illustrate an “increase in demand” on a graph in good form.
List the 5 determinates or shifters that cause a change in demand.
List the 4 determinates or shifters that cause a change in supply.
Define substitute goods.
Define complimentary goods.

What did Adam Smith have to say about the “invisible hand?” “An individual who intends only his own gain is led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention.”

Adam Smith said that economic growth is the product of five things. Name them.
  1. Private property
  2. Free markets
  3. Limited civil government
  4. Accumulation of capital
  5. An increase in the division of labor
What was Adam Smith’s key insight? Both parties to an exchange can benefit so long as cooperation is strictly voluntary.

What did Milton Friedman have to say about economic freedom and political freedom? “Economic freedom is a requirement for political freedom. Economic freedom enables people to cooperate with one another without coercion or central direction. Economic Freedom reduces the area over which political power is exercised.”
The difference between a command economy and a market economy is incentives.

According to Adam Smith and Thomas Jefferson, Government’s role is an umpire, not a participant.

Adam Smith and Thomas Jefferson saw concentrated government power as a great danger to the ordinary man.
Three documents that support this view.
  1. Virginia Declaration of Rights – 1776
  2. U.S. Bill of Rights – 1791
  3. Separation of Powers (Executive, Legislative and Judicial)
What did Milton Friedman have to say about the “invisible hand?” “An individual who intends only to serve the public interest by fostering government intervention is led by an invisible hand to promote private interest, which was no part of his intention.”

What is the theory of Bureaucratic Displacement, as proposed by Dr. Max Gammon? “In a bureaucratic system an increase in expenditure will be matched by a fall in production. Such systems will act rather like ‘black holes’ in the economic universe, simultaneously sucking in resources, and shrinking in terms of ‘emitted’ production.”

What is the role of prices?
  1. Transmission of information
  2. Incentives
  3. Distribution of income and/or a rationing mechanism
Milton Friedman wrote his PhD dissertation at Columbia in the 1940’s on rent-seeking behavior. He refuted the constantly repeated mantra of rent-seeking behavior. Explain what “rent-seeking” behavior means. Rent-seeking behavior is the idea that government licensure of professions is necessary to protect the public. Milton Friedman’s works provide empirical evidence that licensure is nothing more than a mechanism used by members of a profession to raise the entry costs, and thus keep wages and profits artificially high. Rent-seeking behavior improves the welfare of someone at the expense of the welfare of someone else.

Over 70 percent of economists agree that four statements are correct. What are those four correct statements?
  1. A ceiling on rents (rent control) reduces the quantity and quality of rental housing available.
  2. Tariffs and import quotas usually reduce general economic welfare.
  3. A minimum wage increases unemployment among the young and unskilled.
  4. Inflation is primarily a monetary phenomenon.
Approximately 70 percent of economists agree that two statements are not accurate. What are those two inaccurate statements?
  1. The cause of the rise in gasoline prices that occurred in the wake of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait is the monopoly power of the large oil companies.
  2. Wage-price controls are a useful policy option in the control of inflation.
 
:eek:

Wow! Are you saying that if we do not support Obama’s social programs, we are commiting a sin?

You are indeed a true believer in salvation by law. Salvation by law has never worked and never will work.

God gave us a free will. Government’s social programs take away our free will. Isn’t it about time you read the Chatolic Church’s opposition on socialism?
You talk empty nothing.

Obey the voice of the Lord and love your neighbour. Help your neighbour when he is sick and help your neighbour when he needs education so that he can function and contribute to society.

The Lord wants the sick to be cared for and the people to be educated. Obama’s programs do this. Support the Lord’s work by supporting Obama’s social programs!
 
You talk empty nothing.

Obey the voice of the Lord and love your neighbour. Help your neighbour when he is sick and help your neighbour when he needs education so that he can function and contribute to society.

The Lord wants the sick to be cared for and the people to be educated. Obama’s programs do this. Support the Lord’s work by supporting Obama’s social programs!
You confuse Obama’s (government’s) promises with the actual results. The actual outcome of government’s actions are just the opposite of their promises!

The government’s social programs are not the Lord’s work! The government opposes God because God’s laws limit government’s power. Have you noticed?
 
You confuse Obama’s (government’s) promises with the actual results. The actual outcome of government’s actions are just the opposite of their promises!

The government’s social programs are not the Lord’s work! The government opposes God because God’s laws limit government’s power. Have you noticed?
Obama can’t get results when his policies are prevented by the forces that trample the poor and the weak.

The government social programs are the work of the Lord. The Lord loves everyone and wants everyone to have health care and education. God is Love.
 
Obama can’t get results when his policies are prevented by the forces that trample the poor and the weak.

The government social programs are the work of the Lord. The Lord loves everyone and wants everyone to have health care and education. God is Love.
Trust God. Do not trust Obama (the government) to do God’s will.

As an accountant and auditor, I have to verify the assertions of a company’s management. I hold the same standard for Obama and the government.

By the way, I voted against Obama because of his immoral stand on abortion. You cannot be a Catholic and vote for abortion.
 
Hello there! I’m a supporter of the United States becoming a socialist democracy, and having systems such as socialized health care.

Looking over this forum, most (if not all) of the members are strongly anti-socialist. Why?

Note: I do understand that abortion is evil if not done for (both physical and mental) medicinal reasons. If abortion is not funded, at all, would you be in favor of it?
I will admit that I have not been following this thread and have not really read much of it but I have a question for the Original Poster or anyone else that cares to share.

The question has to do with the title of the thread, “Why do you feel socialism is bad?”

Where does “feeling” enter the equation?

It seems that some people are of the mind that if something “feels” good then it is good, this is false idea.
 
I don;t look upon it that way. I look upon it as a work of charity, …
If you look at it that way, it has to be considered forced charity; and who says your concept of charity is right? Just because the politicians you support have the lungpower to ram laws through that suit your fancy? This creates animosity between the giver [the one taxed] and receiver. [Note here: the welfare recipient is usually the one who is the object of ire when it might not be warranted. The real target of the giver’s ire should be the one(s) forcing the charity.]

Besides, did it ever occur to you that there might be others with a different concept that might work better than yours? Hmmm?
 
When you drive over the border to Buffalo, did you see any difference at all? Anyone who is not blind would see the enormous difference right away.
That’s what I like: people who take one data point and extrapolate a whole universe!
 
According to the preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America, the people of the United States have established the Constitution in order to promote the general welfare among other things. . This is part and parcel of the US Constitution. To promote the general welfare. This implies that the government is obliged to ensure that each and every citixen be able to benefit from what the government can provide in the way of social welfare programs. Political leaders are therefore duty bound by the US Constitution to provide for the general welfare.
Note the multiple definitions of “welfare” used in this post.
 
:eek:

Wow! Are you saying that if we do not support Obama’s social programs, we are commiting a sin?

And conversely by implication, if you do support Øbama’s social programs, you will go to heaven. 😛 😛 😛
 

The question has to do with the title of the thread, “Why do you feel socialism is bad?”

Where does “feeling” enter the equation?
Great point!!! 👍
Liberals are motivated by “feelings” – never mind that an idea has failed every time it’s been tried. It’s the good intention that counts. And it makes the liberal “feel” good about himself. IOW, the object of the liberal program is the liberal himself, not the needy who are just their mascots.
 
Government welfare creates special interests such as the “fat cats” that you abhor. Mix your good intentions of helping the poor through government welfare and you end up with a result that you never intended, special interests. You should not be surprised at the end result! Government employees are not public servants; they do not drop their self-interests at the door of government service.

Incentive is the key difference between capitalism (private ownership of resources) and socialism (state ownership of resources). Private ownership boosts incentive, while public ownership retards it.

If you truly are going to help poor people, you are going to have to understand incentives and the true consequences of your actions. You will also have to understand the accounting concept of internal control. You may be hurting poor people more than you are helping them.

When I was in India I did not give money to women with babies because I would be encouraging women to steal babies in order to get money. I did not give money to mutilated children because I would be encouraging parents to mutilate their children in order to get more money. However, I would buy food for the hungry and I would watch them eat it.

I follow the same procedure for the homeless in this country. I do not give anyone money. However, I do buy them food and I watch them eat it. If these people curse me, then I know that they were not hungry. They just wanted money for other purposes.

As an individual I have internal control. The government does not have internal control. We have spent vast sums of money since the 1930s on
government welfare, all to no avail. You have to ask yourself why before you advocate more of the same.
If you do not like the Constitution of the USA, then that is your problem. Many of us here in the USA feel good about the US Constitution and what it stands for. And we know that a major purpose of government according to the preamble of the Constitution is to promote the general welfare.
 
Pure disgusting hyprocrisy!

On judgement day Jesus will say, “What you did to the least of these you did to Me”.

If anyone helps stop social programs that give help the the weakest of society by voting against them etc. that individual has denied Jesus education! That individual has denied Jesus health care! That individual has helped throw Jesus out of hospitals and out on the street when He can’t pay!!
Let’s smile at Jesus in the weakest of our society by supporting Obama’s social programs that give our living Lord education, health care and dignity.

Let’s serve Love because Love is God!

Praise Jesus!!
Yes. This is a commandment of our faith in the Lord, to help out the weakest in society.
 
You talk empty nothing.

Obey the voice of the Lord and love your neighbour. Help your neighbour when he is sick and help your neighbour when he needs education so that he can function and contribute to society.

The Lord wants the sick to be cared for and the people to be educated. Obama’s programs do this. Support the Lord’s work by supporting Obama’s social programs!
Of course.
 
You talk empty nothing.

Obey the voice of the Lord and love your neighbour. Help your neighbour when he is sick and help your neighbour when he needs education so that he can function and contribute to society.

The Lord wants the sick to be cared for and the people to be educated. Obama’s programs do this. Support the Lord’s work by supporting Obama’s social programs!
What happens if we disagree with the social programs that Obama is proposing? Am I somehow sinning?
 
What happens if we disagree with the social programs that Obama is proposing? Am I somehow sinning?
There are obvious leeways and leniencies when it comes to a particular political application of a general rule. But in any case, as Americans who follow the Constitution of the United States of America, we have to admit that the duty of government is to promote the general welfare.
 
There are obvious leeways and leniencies when it comes to a particular political application of a general rule. But in any case, as Americans who follow the Constitution of the United States of America, we have to admit that the duty of government is to promote the general welfare.
The term “general welfare” is such a broad term. And can be used to justify a lot of things.
 
The term “general welfare” is such a broad term. And can be used to justify a lot of things.
the phrase in the Constitution is to promote the general welfare. This is done by enacting social welfare programs that will help the disadvantaged and it is in keeping with the Christian commandment to practice charity.
 
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