Why do you feel socialism is bad?

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Amen!! It is time for social justice to come to America!!
Let’s justify that justice by first stealing everything from everyone (including religion, lives, money, business and homes) and hand it over to a government of thieves elected by those who who support thievery in the name of “general Welfare”. The next thing that will be stolen is the election process.

It’s all downhill from there.
 
This is FALSE. The Church is definitively opposed to socialism, friend.

One need not be socialist to bring justice to the poor – one must be charitable. Socialism deadens charity. Socialism CREATES poverty – look at eastern Europe and the USSR until the 1990s, and Cuba today!

Charity is borne out of love, not taxes and coercion. Do not suggest that priests (and others) who oppose socialism are not in favor of helping the poor! I resent that!

Peace,
Dante
I don’t think that the Catholic Church is opposed to the idea of promoting the general welfare and helping the poor and needy. The Catholic Church stands behind the Bible and the Bible says: Acts 2: 44-45 : “And all those who had believed were together, and had all things in common; and they began selling their property and possessions, and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need.” The Catholic Church is not for or against any economic system on the basis of ideology. The focus has always been upon the climate for social relationships that an economic system generates. The Catholic Church has always taught the preferential option for the poor and vulnerable. Jesus taught that on the Day of Judgement God will ask what each of us did to help the poor and needy: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.” Matthew 25:40. According to the canon law of the Roman Catholic Church: 1983 CIC, canon 222 §2: Catholics have an obligation to promote social justice and to help the poor: “[The Christian faithful] are also obliged to promote social justice and, mindful of the precept of the Lord, to assist the poor from their own resources.”
 
All wealth is owned by the Lord!! We must use it to bring forth Life!! The government must be allowed to use it to help others as all money belongs to the Lord.
I already know the answer to this but do you have scripture that actually backs that up?
 
The General Welfare Cause is abused by libbies who want to change the founding of the constitution to the evil socialist/communist (no difference between he two) ideology. It was not meant for that and the early founders specifically spoke on this issue. Libbies would like to do away with the 10 amendment but it was put there to keep the Fed from encroaching on states rights.

Why someone who is not in and from this country wants it to change over to socialism/communism is beyond me and quite frankly very odd.
Not at all. The laws passed by Congress in the name of General Welfare have never been deemed unconstitutional as far as I know. The decision of the Supreme Court is the law of the land.
 
All wealth is owned by the Lord!! We must use it to bring forth Life!! The government must be allowed to use it to help others as all money belongs to the Lord.
All good things are of God, especially life. The people must be allowed to choose charity and bring forth life which is a gift from God. The socialist government advocates the destruction of children all in the name of “The People”, not God.
 
I already know the answer to this but do you have scripture that actually backs that up?
Yes:
Acts 2: 44-45 : “And all those who had believed were together, and had all things in common; and they began selling their property and possessions, and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need.”
Jesus taught that on the Day of Judgement God will ask what each of us did to help the poor and needy: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.” Matthew 25:40.
And there is Catholic canon law:
1983 CIC, canon 222 §2: “[The Christian faithful] are also obliged to promote social justice and, mindful of the precept of the Lord, to assist the poor from their own resources.”
 
Of course they have not been shot down, because they are constitutional in virtue of the General Welfare clause.
But have you any evidence that these laws are MANDATED, as you seemed to be claiming before?
 
Each of us, not governments. What did each of us do? The Catholic Church does promote (not own) charity and has charitable organizations that accept voluntary donations from each of us.
 
All wealth is owned by the Lord!! We must use it to bring forth Life!! The government must be allowed to use it to help others as all money belongs to the Lord.
Remember when Jesus told the rich man that the best way to get to heaven was to sell all of his possessions and give to the poor, and the rich man did not?
Did Jesus say “All wealth is owned by the Lord! We must use it to bring forth Life!”, then have the disciples tackle him and take his money?

We must respect that not everybody shares our ideals- people have the right to not be charitable. Government-based charity violates that right.
 
We must respect that not everybody shares our ideals- people have the right to not be charitable. .
This is not the teaching of the canon law of the Roman Catholic Church: According to the canon olaw of the Catholic Church, Catholics are obliged to promote social justice and to help the poor.
 
Promote not own. Promote does not mean own.

Or, is it thought or accepted that promote and own are the same?

Is it desired that the government totally own promotion as well?
 
Highwayhound, are you sure about socialism taking away from freedom?

Here is the “Democracy Index”, which is a good indicator of which countries are the freest. Notice how the top ones are socialist.

Here is a list of which countries give the most freedom of the press. Wait! Those countries are socialist too!

Here are the account balances of quite a few countries.
Here are the happiest countries in the world.

Notice a pattern?

EDIT: this is completely unrelated, but I like the sheep in Brendan’s signature. 😃

**I wonder how they rate those countries and who is rating them? perhaps some socialist?

In 1917 Our Lady warned that communism would spread its erros around the world. Why work for that? it seems to me that satan likes to puul the wool over our eyes and his 'fruit" always looks great but the bite is fatal. Socialism, communism, sound great in the abstract but when put into practice they are terrible flawed because they tend to make people the cog in the social wheel…slavery to the state. Socialism steals from the wealthy and then parcels it out to everyone. Does everyone get equally? Hardly…there are always the animals that are “more equal” than others.

Communism is false unity based on materialism. Our unity nneds to come from God and Communion, the Eucharist is the source of Love which is necessary for the true unity of love, which will be one of sharing—but not forced sharing.

Life in God**
 
This is not the teaching of the canon law of the Roman Catholic Church: According to the canon olaw of the Catholic Church, Catholics are obliged to promote social justice and to help the poor.
A non-sequitor.

You ignored the point completely. Yes, WE are obliged to promote social justice and help the poor. However, not everyone feels that obligation or wishes to live up to it. We are REQUIRED to respect their right to do so, although we may want to try to convince them otherwise as Christ did.

To illustrate further- imagine a child is tasked with washing the dishes. If that child were to claim his siblings had to help him, he would be lying- he, personally, has a responsibility that he must fulfill. Trying to bolster his numbers is fine- but claiming others are obligated to help is a lie.
 
Remember when Jesus told the rich man that the best way to get to heaven was to sell all of his possessions and give to the poor, and the rich man did not?
Did Jesus say “All wealth is owned by the Lord! We must use it to bring forth Life!”, then have the disciples tackle him and take his money?

We must respect that not everybody shares our ideals- people have the right to not be charitable. Government-based charity violates that right.
The deciples did not take his money and give it to the poor as it was not their worldly position. It they did so it would be a form of vigilantism. There is an order in society and it is the government of the people that has the right to do that through collecting taxes. All national governments have this right under God.
 
I don’t think that the Catholic Church is opposed to the idea of promoting the general welfare and helping the poor and needy…
The topic is “Why do you feel socialism is bad?” not “Why do you feel promoting the general welfare is bad?” or "“Why do you feel helping the poor and needy is bad?”
 

Let’s serve Jesus in the poor. Let’s do all we can to bring equality in our societies with social programs.
I work in my parish’s St. Vincent De Paul food pantry. I have actually seen the face of Jesus in the poor [especially the children] who come to us for food. If I had left this to some f#@$%&*ing politician and his “social justice” program, I would have never encountered Jesus, nor would the bureaucrat administering the program who probably would not even look for Him or even believe in Him.
 
I love all those so-called “happiest-in-the-world” polls/indexs, whatever. What they fail to disclose however is how each end of the “happy” spectrum has something in common – a deteriorating belief in God.

The “happiest” country, Sweden, is amongst the highest percentage-wise in non-believing people of the world. The EU, as a whole, is amongst the locations of the world with the highest concentration of non-believers and they’re so “happy”.

The Deceiver has done its work extremely well. God has been traded for worldly comfort in the “happy” countries. God has been nearly eliminated in the unhappiest of countries. The deception is this: sell the unwary a boatload of false promises: socialized health, socialized prosperity, and socialized justice. Give them just enough to believe it and watch Satan pull it all away as billions become enslaved.

Reading material: ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/a…_report_en.pdf; (have a look at page 11-ish)

The situation is much worse in China and the Russian Federation.

An illustration from 2005 which illustrates percentages of “non-believers” in Europe:



Sweden, France, are Switzerland are so “happy”. They have no idea what’s coming and refuse to believe it. Familiar?

Sweden and Switzerland were neutral in World War 2. Although the reasons why are somewhat complex dating back to earlier history, in the end they were willing to accept either outcome. Sweden was happy during that time, however, to build its own defenses during WW2 and let others do the fighting. Interestingly, there was a contribution by Sweden to that war effort – shipping iron ore to the European Axis aggressor.

No thanks.
 
I work in my parish’s St. Vincent De Paul food pantry. I have actually seen the face of Jesus in the poor [especially the children] who come to us for food. If I had left this to some f#@$%&*ing politician and his “social justice” program, I would have never encountered Jesus, nor would the bureaucrat administering the program who probably would not even look for Him or even believe in Him.
While I can’t say what will ultimately happen to the politician, I agree! 👍 (although I would leave out the profanity) 🙂
 
The deciples did not take his money and give it to the poor as it was not their worldly position. It they did so it would be a form of vigilantism. There is an order in society and it is the government of the people that has the right to do that through collecting taxes. All national governments have this right under God.
Governments are compacts between tax payer and officials- they have no more power than the people allot to them.

Christ sought to spread the Christain morality- where in this moral code is compulsory charity?

The divine right of kings has been dead for a long, long time.
 
Where was that said?
You need to keep track of what was posted:
Taking from another against their will is theft, unless debt is present. The English language really isn’t that hard to master.

Yes, we are obliged to pay taxes - your point?
It is a moral obligation.
By whose moral standard?
By the moral standard and authority of the Roman Catholic Church.
Would you impose Catholicism on those of other faiths?
 
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