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dolphinlove
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this just confirms my thoughts, planten is a comedian
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jakasaki
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Yours is funnier…
I don’t like sugar but I DO love sweets.I believe the relationship of sun god and moon god belong to allah.
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jakasaki
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There isn’t a single soul on earth who didn’t start from pagan ideas. As Christians, I don’t believe we deny our pagan roots.
The early followers of Christ were Jews and Greek pagans and other(s).
The early followers of Christ were Jews and Greek pagans and other(s).
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jakasaki
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JC,
That’s the difference between Christianity and islam. We do not deny things and only seek the truth and put the truth out there for all.
Where as islam must hide and “deny” everything to benefit them, to raise them above all others.
They should not ever question anything, it’s against their religion and duty not to question.
And as far as historical facts, with islam, they are all out the window as if they never happened.
The only time they agree on historical facts is again, when it benefits islam and raises muslims to a high pedestal.
That’s the difference between Christianity and islam. We do not deny things and only seek the truth and put the truth out there for all.
Where as islam must hide and “deny” everything to benefit them, to raise them above all others.
They should not ever question anything, it’s against their religion and duty not to question.
And as far as historical facts, with islam, they are all out the window as if they never happened.
The only time they agree on historical facts is again, when it benefits islam and raises muslims to a high pedestal.
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tomarin
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I could be wrong, but as I see it the main difference is between a religious mentality that forbids blasphemy and a secularist one that actively promotes it.
Just my two cents.
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dolphinlove
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arent you always
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StevieD
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We *know *that people convert to Islam, the difference is that we are not instructed to harass or kill converts as you are. Any individual or family that converted to your faith can do so freely and without any interference. In some Muslim countries conversion means death and even in the west it can mean attacks on homes and threats and assaults on those converting. This cannot be defended. It is outrageous and unique in religion. (What is a “high level Christian”?)
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tomarin
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Could be. That’s why I said “it’s just my two cents.” I don’t want to ram my opinion down anyone’s throat.arent you always
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Ideo
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Guys, it’s not like the Bible is all about peace and love. You can say it, and pick and choose verses all you want, but the violent ones still remain. Please explain to me how these verses are all about love and peace:
infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.html
If you can justify all of these cruelties, then I’m sure a good Islamic apologist can do the same with all of their atrocities. Or rather, they can ignore them.
infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.html
If you can justify all of these cruelties, then I’m sure a good Islamic apologist can do the same with all of their atrocities. Or rather, they can ignore them.
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dzheremi
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Since no one is asserting that the Bible is all about peace and love, and certainly not in this thread which is about Islam, NOT the Bible, I think you can safely build your strawmen somewhere else, Ideo. Note that in your link there is a lengthly preamble clarifying that many of the problems in the Biblical text result from fundamentalist interpretations or applications. Maybe you mistakenly think you are on a fundamentalist website…? 
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AnotherAtheist
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@Agabriel
You really don’t have a clue just how much of a hypocrite your statements show you to be do you?
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Slavery
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
Rape
When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
You really don’t have a clue just how much of a hypocrite your statements show you to be do you?
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Slavery
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
Rape
When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
You Christians sure hold the moral high ground here.
Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
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qui_est_ce
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Isn’t it wonderful that Jesus came to fulfill the Old Law? BTW, that means Jesus lived how the Isrealites SHOULD have lived, but didn’t.
Perhaps you missed the part where Jesus said some laws were allowed because of the hardness of the hearts of the Isrealites.
Matthew 19:8-9
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Please ask yourself what was not this way from the beginning? The Isrealites were faced with nations who practiced infanticide, sacrificial prostitution, etc.
We should rejoice that the New Covenant is Now. Islamists have not entered into the New Covenant.
There is no question as to the veracity of the Biblical accounts vs the Koran in historical and religious context.
Sometimes Truth is hard to swallow.
Tell me, under which law would you prefer to live? Shia or Christian?
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pjk123
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I believe NT is basically what Christianity Follows.OT was the Fulfilment of Promises when Jesus Christ came.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=347879
I will say a small wisdom - Christians,most of them are sensible and comparing them to a violent cult is wrong ,we don’t follow nazi ideology by referring the holy book and intrepret whatever we want to achieve. May be Hindus can do such things.we ,christians will not.
BTW ,I can provide the same kind of how wrong hinduism too.So ,at the end, Going with the same Hate for Christianity for that of Islam is Wrong.I have seen Hindu Right Wing Extremists in many forums like in faithfreedom.org who spit venom against Christians.Think Again.I know of a few Hindus who are pretty much angered about what Happened in Orissa state,India.While Christian World are much more tolerant(except for some cults) who allows Radical Hindu Groups like ISKCON to function in Europe,Americas and elsewhere.There are Hindu Converts from the west ,I see in Ashrams in my state(I thought a Hindu can only be by born into Hindu family,not by conversion).So ,Hinduism also lost its tolerant face due to the Extremists like RSS,VHP,Bajrang Dal,Hindu Munnai etc .Now ,Secular India is not what they want.TRUE?
Still, making a blanket statement of christianity is similar to Islam is WRONG.
catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0008.html
indianchristians.in/news/content/view/2463/45/
persecution.in/
Judaism and christianity may got similairities.but islam is all about the Pagan Moon God Allah(Some claims it is Bhootnath or Shiva of Hindu Religion) ,which some Hindus Feels are Chandravanshi’s ,while they are Suryavanshis.I feel ,keep the comparison with Bhavishyapurana to learn about Islam.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhavishya_Purana
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ZAKI
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Disgusting post. Especially considering that you don’t have any idea of what you are talking about. Jihad means struggle and not holy war. Struggling for anything such as struggling to achieve is considered a jihad. Also please don’t lie. The Quran verse 2:190 you have said doesn’t exist. the verse is from surat al-baqarah and it reads:
Fight in the cause of god against those who fight you. But do not trangress limits for God loveth not trangressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them. And turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. But if they cease, God is oft-forgiving, most merciful.
Also know that “holy war” as you have said is considered to be the lesser jihad.
Also know that killing and rape and all the things you have used to describe muslims are haram. Somebody who rapes a women whether muslim or non-muslim is to be lashed. Somebody who kills somebody else whether muslim or non-muslim is to be killed.
May Allah keep us away from the liars.
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ZAKI
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Assalam,
I can take people saying their views but I can’t take it when they openly lie. Especially considering that it is a major sin in both islam and christianity.
I won’t go through this entire post because some parts of it are just too pathetic and obvious. But just a view lies that you have said.
Ar-rahman is one of the 99 names for Allah and it means the merciful. Also, I have never heard of this hanif thing you are talking about and islam is not a polytheistic religion. There are no daughters of the main god and other good gods and bad gods…you may be confusing islam with zeus and those greek god/goddesses.
(Btw, if you have not lied intentionally and have just said things that you’ve heard/seen from a few random anti-muslim websites-than I apologize for calling you a liar. If you are sincere about understanding islam than talk with me when you have some time).
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ZAKI
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Assalam,
Personally I would prefer to live under neither shia or christian law.
I think what you were meant to say was “sharia” law and yes I would prefer that above living under christian law. The times when sharia was implemented properly were the greatest in islamic history. Andalus (spain) is a good example of this.
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LutheranDK
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Appearently, God thinks that Christians actually worship two other gods beside Him…What?? God doesn’t know that the third person of the Trinity is the Holy Spirit? He thinks it’s Mary?
Who is Uzair?
“Uzair” is the Arabic adaptation of the phrophet Ezra
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LutheranDK
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Ah, yes, Spain. Another example of how Islam was spread “peacefully”, and not “by the sword”.
Those examples also includes France, where the evil Charles Martel and his bigoted muslim-hating followers brutally massacred a peaceful group of muslim travellers (who carried weapons for self-defence) near Poitiers in 732.
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ZAKI
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Assalam,Ah, yes, Spain. Another example of how Islam was spread “peacefully”, and not “by the sword”.
Those examples also includes France, where the evil Charles Martel and his bigoted muslim-hating followers brutally massacred a peaceful group of muslim travellers (who carried weapons for self-defence) near Poitiers in 732.
Actually Spain WAS taken over by the sword. Thank you for your support but you also need to check your facts.
who is charles martel btw?
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ZAKI
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Assalam,
check out my other two posts lutherandk.
wasalam
check out my other two posts lutherandk.
wasalam
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