Why do you hate Islam?

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Hadi said:
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5- Jakasaki, took the first point I made and igonred the rest…
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That is because this thread is about WHY DO YOU HATE ISLAM, make a thread about nazi connections if you want too
 
Hadi said:
Please !!

Yes I know of the Muslim involvement with the Nazis,don’t treat like some ignorant

here is the scene :

1- Jakasaki complained about the “silence” of the majority of Muslims toward evil actions committed by their fellow Muslims.

2- I answered that Christians are also guilty of being silent, I provided few examples

3- Dhremzi got upset and made a post about muslim-nazi conncetion ,

3- Jakasaki said “some Christans did help the Jews” and that Pope John apologized.

4- I said “some Muslims did help the Jews” and explained the points Jakasaki made about apology

5- Jakasaki, took the first point I made and igonred the rest…

Please, I know that many atrocities happened in the Islamic history, there was no need to bring 2 full posts about the Nazi-Muslim connection …I already know that
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I stuck with the topic of the post and for over 500+ posts in the thread, two posts upset you while you are going on and on about the holocaust and inquisitions.

BTW - the Inquisitions were NOT against muslims the holocaust was NOT against muslims.
 
i have not researched Islam or Mohamed so i am ignorant:(. but i find it hard to believe such a violent person could set up one of the biggest religions on earth. i am Going to Wikipedia on this one:thumbsup:

HickmanJosh
 
HickmanJosh said:
i have not researched Islam or Mohamed so i am ignorant:(. but i find it hard to believe such a violent person could set up one of the biggest religions on earth. i am Going to Wikipedia on this one:thumbsup:

HickmanJosh
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“If Islam is so evil , God would not allow it to continue”
therefore, it must have some truth in it …such as

Worship one God , respect the parents, respect the neighbors and love the orphans, don’t steal, pay charity to the needy , be modest , be kind toward others, forgive others…etc
 
Hadi, if you’re going to bring up some supposed Christian connection to the Holocaust in response to something said about Muslims, then of course I am going to respond in kind because the difference between us in this case is that Christians have apologized for a lack of action on behalf of the Jews, while Muslims such as yourself see no responsibility for anything that you do not individually do. While Pope Pius XII may have not been resoundingly clear and fiery in his condemnation of Hitler’s treatment of the Jews, he certainly never encouraged the formation of volunteer SS units as in the case of the Hadžars. So my response was less “getting upset” that there are connections between Muslims and Nazis (since I don’t doubt that you already knew that), but a call that you clean your own damned house for once before telling us to set ours in order. We do that regularly, even if it takes longer than it should due to the structure of our religious institutions.

If every man becomes an island unto himself in Islam the second any Muslim does anything objectionable, then that only further confirms for me the inherent weakness of Islam as a moral system, because it seems to the outsider that your “ummah” apparently only exists to goad one another into acts of violence and hubris, not to actually set some kind of moral standard by which you are to live. (Not that the moral standard by which most Muslims claim to live, Muhammad, is anything to be commended anyway.)
 
If the mere size or longevity of Islam were any sort of indicator of its truth, then we could just as easily point to a belief in paganism or a flat Earth or a Earth-centered universe as similarly “true” for the same reason. For centuries the majority of the world believed in things such as these, and yet they are all false.

The longevity and size of Islam are in fact not hard to understand when you actually look at the social and political factors that affect it. As a conquering force, it was probably the most effective that world has ever seen, and the way in which the religion is passed down and maintained (all children born to Muslims are Muslim, apostates are often murdered, etc) make it almost a foregone conclusion that it not only continues, but expands. Again, this is no indicator at all that it is “true”. It is just as false today with 1.6 or 1.9 or however many millions of followers as it was in the early days of Muhammad’s preaching with only tens, dozens, or hundreds.
 
Worship one God , respect the parents, respect the neighbors and love the orphans, don’t steal, pay charity to the needy , be modest , be kind toward others, forgive others…etc-Hadi

These are all values at the heart of the Christian Church especially forgiveness, are you taking these from Islam?

HickmanJosh
 
I believe that Jesus has warned us with this… To me, islam comes in mind and nothing else.

Jesus said -

1 “All this I have told you so that you will not go astray.

2 They will put you out of the synagogue; **in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. ** <— allah akbar

3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. ← allah akbar

4 I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.
 
i am just trying to get some common ground that both Islam and Catholicism can agree on. Simply ignoring all other religion wont make this world a better place.

HickmanJosh
 
Hadi said:
Please !!

Yes I know of the Muslim involvement with the Nazis,don’t treat like some ignorant

here is the scene :

1- Jakasaki complained about the “silence” of the majority of Muslims toward evil actions committed by their fellow Muslims.

2- I answered that Christians are also guilty of being silent, I provided few examples

3- Dhremzi got upset and made a post about muslim-nazi conncetion ,

3- Jakasaki said “some Christans did help the Jews” and that Pope John apologized.

4- I said “some Muslims did help the Jews” and explained the points Jakasaki made about apology

5- Jakasaki, took the first point I made and igonred the rest…

Please, I know that many atrocities happened in the Islamic history, there was no need to bring 2 full posts about the Nazi-Muslim connection …I already know that
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Considering that a lot of Christians lost their lives helping not only to free the Jews, but also many Muslims in our more current history - and that there has been nothing but Jihads pronounced not only against all Americans there has been NO MUSLIM NATION helping to stop the Jihadists.

Instead Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim Gulf nations export more Jihadists, wahabbi radical clerics, etc to help in their Jihad against us whether it be by stealth or just outright violence abroad and in our lands. The so called ‘moderates’ get their Muslim charities shut down because they are caught giving money to their Jihadists. We catch them with the radical literature in their mosques and madrassas after we told them to stop teaching from it. They do it anyway with xeroxed copies of the stuff they are to toss, and still haven’t gotten rid of the radical books.

And then what do we get from Muslims on these threads - the usual cries of victimhood, they only go out and protest when their radical Jihadists get fired upon after they lob bombs month after month into Israel and we get the usual whining and wailing that the Israelis are the bad guys because they FINALLY got tired of the muslims lobbing bombs into their lands. And we get the usual whining and wailing AFTER OUR GUYS die while helping Iraqis and Afghanis get free of such ilk as the Taliban.

But NO MUSLIM NATION HELPS TO CLEAN THAT FILTH out and help us. Instead we get a half-baked Pakistan, another failed Muslim nation, telling us they catch a couple of guys every so often and basically give safe harbor to the ilk such as Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

AND WE GET NO MUSLIM NATION TO HELP US and we free the Kuwaitis from Saddam, free the Saudis from any threats, help Bosnians slaughter more Christians - and NO MUSLIMS STOP THEIR RADICALS IN AFRICA, INDIA, AND ELSEWHERE.

OOOOHHHH, but we certainly get their whining and wailiing - and their TU QUOQUE excuses which are just bunk.

Do you get the drift?
 
And not one Muslim stands up about these numbers of terrorist attacks worldwide:

April 20th through June 2009

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2008
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2007
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2006
Islamic Terror Attacks for 2005

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2004

Islamic Attacks from September 11th, 2001 through 2003

I guess we didn’t count before 9/11 - but we should have since so many attacks against UNARMED CITIZENS happened so often even before that.

UNARMED CITIZENS - A tactic used by Muhammed and still being used throughout the 1400+ years by Jihadists.



This is just truly disgusting. It is an embarrassment and to have anyone other than the whole umma stand up and apologize to every single infidel should be the order of the day. Instead what do we get? More slavery, more kidnappings, more people killed, and more demands that we don’t hurt a Muslim’s feelings because we have caught on to what their Prophet was and what they think is the ‘perfect man’ that they try to emulate, Muhammed.
 
Ok you are taking the actions of a minority and claiming them as the Majority.

((NO MUSLIM NATION helping to stop the Jihadists)). Are you serious, have you not heard about the Fighting in Pakistan against the Taliban? entire towns have been riped appart in this crazy war

Saudi Arabia is a massively devout nation obviously there are going to be a few mislead individuals.

((the usual cries of victimhood)) what are you doing right now, you are attacking the faith of another religion in very unreasonable ways.

Israel and the Arabs have been at defacto war for 60 years obviously there is going to be tension. The arabs want there land back and the Israelis think its theirs, and science one side is 100x more powerful than the other the lesser side is obviously going to portray itself as a victim, also, Israels invasion was insane, 1200 arabs killed and only 13 Israelis disproportional!

((NO MUSLIMS STOP THEIR RADICALS IN AFRICA, INDIA, AND ELSEWHERE.))
first of all Africa is a lose cannon, nobody except God himself can predict what is going to happen next there, India is one of the poorest democracy’s in the world, there will be a few disgruntled peoples.

sorry but it has to be said, far-right wingers are a bad influence.

PEACE BE WITH YOU!
HickmanJosh
 
HickmanJosh said:
Ok you are taking the actions of a minority and claiming them as the Majority.

((NO MUSLIM NATION helping to stop the Jihadists)). Are you serious, have you not heard about the Fighting in Pakistan against the Taliban? entire towns have been riped appart in this crazy war

Saudi Arabia is a massively devout nation obviously there are going to be a few mislead individuals.

((the usual cries of victimhood)) what are you doing right now, you are attacking the faith of another religion in very unreasonable ways.

Israel and the Arabs have been at defacto war for 60 years obviously there is going to be tension. The arabs want there land back and the Israelis think its theirs, and science one side is 100x more powerful than the other the lesser side is obviously going to portray itself as a victim, also, Israels invasion was insane, 1200 arabs killed and only 13 Israelis disproportional!

((NO MUSLIMS STOP THEIR RADICALS IN AFRICA, INDIA, AND ELSEWHERE.))
first of all Africa is a lose cannon, nobody except God himself can predict what is going to happen next there, India is one of the poorest democracy’s in the world, there will be a few disgruntled peoples.

sorry but it has to be said, far-right wingers are a bad influence.

PEACE BE WITH YOU!
HickmanJosh
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You don’t know Islam and that every Muslim is to wage Jihad. If they do not do the actual violence then they are to help with their wealth and their moral support.

It would be helpful if you at least cracked open a Quran, some of the hadith and sira to understand what Islam is all about. What they think is their ‘perfect man’ and who they want to emulate.

In fact, if they do not wage Jihad with their selves, or with their wealth, they are considered hypocrites. Part of waging Jihad has also been to do this thing called
taqiyya/kithman.

A minority of Muslims are what probably are considered bad Muslims because they do not follow Islam and are not trying to emulate Muhammed. Those are the true peaceful ones. the rest are not. Sorry, but they are not.

Why don’t you get up to date on what some former Muslims say about Islam?

www.faithfreedom.org

This one is a little long, one hour, but you will find out a lot about suicide bombers and how they are glorified and taught at a very, young age that it is a sure ‘ticket’ to go straight to heaven. Otherwise, the path for a Muslim to get to heaven is not that certain. (read the Quran)

Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.

You can preach to me all you want, but your words are only the usual words of someone who hasn’t read the Quran and the other texts of Islam. I have read them, along with a whole heck of a lot of history on their Jihads throughout the years and their current ones in the last few decades.

Here are a couple of former Muslims who left Islam, they are brothers. and you can hear them tell you how they were lucky they had a father that didn’t kill them, but he did not talk to them ever again. How a Muslim who leaves Islam is left without family or friends.

here are all 12 of the videosFormer MUSLIMS Testify About ISLAM (this is a series of 11 videos - the 1st two talk about the scales, martyrdom bypassing the scales and a ticket straight to heaven, etc).
 
Oh, and by the way - the Pakistanis just started their serious fighting against the Taliban. Haven’t you heard how ingrained they are? Or do you need to get some up to date news sources for that?

Basically, Bush was going to cut them off from their millions of dollars if they didn’t start producing some better results for our money being given to them. Towards the end of Bush’s term we even started ignoring their demands that we not infiltrate their lands and we not only went in with the boots, but also with our other devices.

Yes, I was in the Military and still keep abreast of military matters.

What is in a sorry state is our news sources.

You probably also think that ‘Bush lied, people died’.

Here is a book to debunk that left wing liberal chant:
‘The Link, The Secret Relationship between Saddam and Al Qaida’

It will also tell you about the ties between Al Qaeda, Saddam, Arafat, Al Husseini (that was mentioned on this thread by me and others), the Muslim Brotherhood (that uses the MSA as one of their tools), Hamas, Wahabbis, etc.
 
Hadi said:
Agabriel, what do you want from me as a muslim to do?
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Start a grass roots movement (that means get the people together) to start protesting against the violence in Islam, the violence that is taught to your children, the skewed history of Jihad, and to start a movement to start tolerating others, stop slavery in islam, etc.

At least one, or more, of these things could be done by the millions upon millions of Muslims that do not live and are not suppressed in their own Muslim lands. Many of these millions live in lands that are free and they can indeed do something.

What is truly sorry are the state of Muslim children’s schools.

A grass root movement that starts to enlist the help of other Muslims to start proving they are indeed peaceful and start throwing out that radical garbage in their own mosques and madrassas. Start telling Saudi Arabia to keep their wahabbi clerics in Saudi Arabia - you don’t want them. And to keep Jihadists from going to train in Pakistan and elsewhere.

I could go on, but pick one or two items and start a grass roots movement. And stop telling us we don’t know the Quran and other texts just because you don’t like what you hear. It is too late, the ‘cat is out of the bag’, many of us know the agenda of what is in the Quran.

Unfortunately, I don’t know how you can change that book when you are told not to question it and that it is straight from your Allah. Funny since before it was gathered together from the palm leaves, and other miscellaneous items the words were written down on - goats would eat it. It seems that your God didn’t care if a goat ate parts of it. :rolleyes:

Not even Muslim women in our lands are speaking out about the violence of Muslim women in Muslim lands. Instead we had Muslim women on these threads (they are gone) denying it even happened, or would make excuses for it. The usual excuses. And the number of women who do stand up and protest the violence against women - are so few that they hardly matter.

I keep hearing about the millions who are peaceful - well, they don’t do a darn thing except keep sending in their money to Muslim charities for the Jihadists and keep trying to tell us how ‘peaceful’ Islam is. 🤷
 
i think he wants you to admit to these things he is saying.

Trust me, he does not speak for all of us.- to Hadi

to agabriel

Bush was trying a bit to hard to be like his dady, he got a little carried away in the process.

((Yes, I was in the Military and still keep abreast of military matters.)) you where in the US army, what kinds of stuff did they say about Islam there? Thank you for serving you nation by the way.

as of Pakistan, they only recently got a new government committed to rooting out militant extremism. they have so far done a bag up Job.

((You can preach to me all you want, but your words are only the usual words of someone who hasn’t read the Quran and the other texts of Islam.))

do you have something personal against Islam?

i don’t have to read the Quran to know your wrong. you obviously read it looking for the bad parts. do you really think so many people would embrace such a violent philosophy?

PEACE BE WITH YOU.

HickmanJosh
 
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