Why do you hate Islam?

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Dear brother,
I just heard this talk. I believe it truly has the power to change the lives of our fellow human beings on these boards if they are men and women of good will and dares to listen.
Thanks so much for sharing. I think I will get his book… did u read it? I will spread this talk around… also I will see if they have the book in Arabic. I have a dear Palestinian friend that I would like to give it to…
I feel so sorry for these people… gosh… if only they knew the good they were created for.

Peace 👍
No, I haven’t read his book, I am only subscribed to his newsletters. I have a backlog of books to read on some piece of Islam. I have read so many already.

But, I am currently into the Saddam, Al Qaeda, Saudi, Pakistani, and some others, links. And some of the others are such countries as France who helped Saddam create some of his WMDs that he was known to have as late as 2001. Then the Saudis have recently been caught - again - in cahoots with Al Qaeda. There is a 109 page doc they got and posted on the web. But some of the books I have recently mentioned (on the last post about Muslim charities being for the use of Jihadists) also go into this tie.

Then I got a bit side tracked onto Fatima and the three secrets, and the Secrets of Medjugorje and Garabandal Revealed. It seems the same message is coming out and the sad part is that it has a revelation about the Church which doesn’t help those who depend heavily on it to determine right from wrong.
 
No, I haven’t read his book, I am only subscribed to his newsletters. I have a backlog of books to read on some piece of Islam. I have read so many already.

But, I am currently into the Saddam, Al Qaeda, Saudi, Pakistani, and some others, links. And some of the others are such countries as France…
May I write you on PM?
 
Terrible. Of course, adultery doesn’t happen in supposedly Catholic countries such as France, or in supposedly Christian countries such as the USA. We never read in the news about hanky panky between Catholic priests and married women.
Say it ain’t so Bob.
Don’t you ever stay on thread topic?
Everybody knows that there ave been sinners, homosexuals (EVEN IN IRAN!!!), fornicators and adulterers in all societies since time began. And I suspect most everyone here in this thread would tell you (Muslim, Jew, Christian, etc) that God says that it is sinful behavior.
And by the way, France is NOT a Catholic country, not for almost two centuries ay least.
And if you knew anything about the USA you would know that we are a multi-faithed country. In our country Muslims practice their faiths in mosques, Jews in their temples and synogogues, Christians in their churches, B’hai’s in their centers, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists in their temples. We are free here to do that.
That is something one would have a very hard time saying about a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia or others.
 
Just remember that in Islam all a guy has to do is say ‘I divorce you’ three times and then get another wife. Or the ‘weekend marriages’ for their quickees. Or just take a slave - woman, little boys and little girls, men - and do to them as they want and nothing will be thought about it because they don’t even consider them above dirt and urine. And as for infidels - they can do to them as they want.

don’t kid yourself because in Islam it is all a matter of terminology. And they twist the terms to suit their needs. And then if their Sharia laws don’t make it a crime, or their religion says it is ok to do whatever they want to an unbeliever then in their minds they are morally superior.
 
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There are no weak or abrogated verses in the Quran. If there is any then show it to me now, one by one.**
Well, you better tell this fellow Muslim:
The Will of Abdullaah Yusuf Azzam
'Abdullah Yusuf 'Azzam
From the house of the brave commander
Jalaaluddin Haqqani,
Monday afternoon, 12th Shaban 1406 H, 20th April 1986

I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his slave and messenger.

The love of Jihaad (fighting in the way of Allah) continues to dominate my life, Myself, My feeling, My heart and my senses.
The verses of Surah At-Taubah that reveals the final rulings of Jihaad until the day of Judgement filled my heart with pain and sorrow when I see my inability and the unwillingness of all Muslims to fight for the cause of Allah.
The Verse of the Sword which abrogated a hundred forty [140] some verses of Jihaad, which were revealed before it, is a definite answer and a decisive reply to anyone who wants to play with the verses of fighting Jihaad in the way of Allah or to try to change its clear meaning or to deviate from its precise definition. The verses of the Sword:
islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=532&
 
This is what we know of the patient tolerant states where Islam is the law of the land. It is no wonder we hate islam. These are just a few. This you will NOT see in the US. We are not persecuters of those who attend mosques in our towns. If a woman is modest and wears hijab she might be looked at as unusal but does not need to fear that there will be reprisal. The Islamic Star and Crescent symbol is not torn down from the tops of mosques. The Imam in our communities speak at christian gatherings to explain Islamic culture. We do not jail them, stone them, kick them in the streets or rape their daughters. But this is what Islam does to the “people of the Book” in their own countries.
Saudi Arabia
In Sharia-ruled Saudi Arabia, the deplorable state of religious freedom remained generally unaltered in2008. We received more information on incidents against Christians, which led to an increase in points. Under the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islamic law, apostasy (conversion to another religion) is punishable by death if the accused does not recant. For believers from a Muslim background, there is also a great risk of honor killing if their family or social environment discovers their new faith. During 2008, there was one confirmed report of honor killing of a convert to Christianity within a family. Public non-Muslim worship is prohibited in Saudi Arabia. Non-Muslim worshippers who engage in such activities risk arrest, imprisonment, lashing, deportation, and sometimes torture. During the reporting period, we received more reports of Christians arrested for their involvement in religious activities than during theprevious year.
Bangladesh
Unlike 2007, one believer was killed in Bangladesh in February this year. In May 2008, Elina Das, the 13-year-old daughter of a pastor was kidnapped and repeatedly raped. In general, pressure on converts increased in Bangladesh – both from Muslims and Buddhists. These are the main reasons for the increased persecution score for Bangladesh this year.
Iraq
After a short period of fragile peace at the end of 2007, Iraq’s Christian minority was faced with a year full of violence in 2008. The year started with a series of bomb blasts, damaging in total seven Iraqi churches and three convents. Also during the rest of the year, churches were attacked or damaged by bombs. More violence than ever before was specifically directed at Christians because of their faith. Extremists used death threats to force Christians out of entire quarters in Mosul and Baghdad, in what seems to be a religious cleansing campaign. Christians also suffer from the anti-Western atmosphere in the country. Many Iraqis see the West as Christian, so they jump to the conclusion that when you are Christian, you are a collaborator. Having “Christianity” on your ID is sufficient to get you killed. Other motives, especially when targeting Christians in kidnappings, are financial, since many Iraqi Christians are part of the middle class. In 2008several Christians were murdered, abused and/or kidnapped. No less than five Christians were reported kidnapped and we have recorded at least 35 Christians who were killed for their faith during the past year. However, the actual number could be much higher. The violence has caused hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people, both Muslim and Christian, to leave the country, and many are displaced inside Iraq, particularly in Kurdistan.
Iran
This year, Iran and Saudi Arabia have the same total of points. Since Saudi Arabia had higher points last year, it is labeled number 2 and Iran is 3. The reason for the increase in points for Iran is due to some dramatic developments for Christians during 2008. A major crackdown on house churches occurred during the past year, marking 2008 as one of the toughest years regarding Christian persecution since the Islamic Revolution of 1979. In total, we recorded more than 50 Christians arrested for their faith in one of the world’s most repressive societies. A Christian couple died after interrogation by government officials, due to injuries and stress caused during captivity. Islam is the official religion in Iran, and all laws and regulations must be consistent with the official interpretation of Sharia law. Although Christians are a recognized religious minority who are guaranteed religious freedom, they have reported imprisonment, physical abuse, harassment and discrimination because of their faith. Under the judicial interpretations of Sharia law, any Muslim who leaves Islam to embrace another religion faces the death penalty. However, last September the Iranian Parliament has also called for the Penal Code to be revised, making apostasy punishable by death only. Formerly, the court could also hand down a jail term or hard labor as alternatives. Armenian and Assyrian churches are allowed to teach fellow countrymen in their own language, but it is forbidden to minister to people with a Muslim background (speaking Farsi). Many church services are being monitored by the secret police. Believers that are active in churches or the cell group movement are being pressured. They are questioned, arrested and put in jail and beaten. Individual believers are being oppressed by society, under pressure of the authorities. They have difficulty in finding and keeping a job and are easily fired when it becomes known they are Christian.

opendoorusa.org
 
Well, you better tell this fellow Muslim:
**sedonaman, I have no way to tell any one. You better do that yourself. I do not know any Haqqani. I do not believe in any struggle with weapons. So please do not bring such bigots to me. They are misguided persons.

In the end of that article, that fellow is giving a link to the verses of the sword. I do not feel it is Haqqani. It is one of the Catholics who added that last part. But any way, when the word “Sword” is not found in the Quran then how can there be verses of the sword??

There are verses in the bibleNT about swords. Jesus had aplan to buy swords even by selling his clothes. But the wish did not materialise. Will you please post that verse of the bible in which Jesus told his disciples to buy swords. I believe Jesus was right and he had the right plan.??**
 
**sedonaman, I have no way to tell any one. You better do that yourself. I do not know any Haqqani. I do not believe in any struggle with weapons. So please do not bring such bigots to me. They are misguided persons.

In the end of that article, that fellow is giving a link to the verses of the sword. I do not feel it is Haqqani. It is one of the Catholics who added that last part. But any way, when the word “Sword” is not found in the Quran then how can there be verses of the sword??

There are verses in the bibleNT about swords. Jesus had aplan to buy swords even by selling his clothes. But the wish did not materialise. Will you please post that verse of the bible in which Jesus told his disciples to buy swords. I believe Jesus was right and he had the right plan.??**
but, but you said that there were no ‘sword verses’… what is it planten? There are ‘sword verses’ when another Muslims quotes them and not when an infidel quotes them?

I really feel sorry for you planten.

I think that everyone should pray for you. I can’t imagine how it must be to be so twisted up inside the brain.

:signofcross:
Our Father, Who art in heaven
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
:signofcross:
 
I don’t hate Islam; I hate radical Islam that calls America the “Greak Satan” and flies 747’s into buildings. Regular Muslims are by and large good folks just like the rest of us.
 
but, but you said that there were no ‘sword verses’… what is it planten? There are ‘sword verses’ when another Muslims quotes them and not when an infidel quotes them?

I really feel sorry for you planten.

I think that everyone should pray for you. I can’t imagine how it must be to be so twisted up inside the brain.

:signofcross:
Our Father, Who art in heaven
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
:signofcross:
No agabriel…I think planten and i should pray for U 😛

wasalam
 
I don’t hate Islam; I hate radical Islam that calls America the “Greak Satan” and flies 747’s into buildings. Regular Muslims are by and large good folks just like the rest of us.
I agree with you, quite alot of these radicals don’t even know that there is 8 million muslims in america (number constantly growing - praise be to god).

wasalam
 
Well, I have already read this, at least in two books, the Saudi connection with al Qaeda. (The Revenge of the Prophet, and ‘The Link, The Secret Relationship between Saddam and Al Qaida’
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Here is an article showing us a stark example of Muslim charities going to Al Qaeda from the land of Mecca - Saudi Arabia and the Prince’s dark ties. Page 1 goes into the Muslim charities going to support Al Qaeda.

I seem to remember a telethon collecting Muslim charity on TV that a few of the Princes were conducting shortly after 9/11. Sort of makes a mockery out of Jerry Lewis! And we should never forget all the Muslim charities that were shut down after 9/11.

Today I was watching a ‘CIA Confidential’ program about Pakistan and it said that some Saudi Princes ‘fingerprints’ (docs and other things with the Prince’s name and dealings) were found on some laptops in Pakistan after they captured a key Al Qaeda person (I cannot remember his name), and the Princes were dead within a short time under mysterious circumstances and ‘accidents’.
911 was in FACT a inside job so deal with it and listen to alex jones you might learn something infowars.com
 
I agree with you, quite alot of these radicals don’t even know that there is 8 million muslims in america (number constantly growing - praise be to god).

wasalam
911 was a inside job
 
No, I haven’t read his book, I am only subscribed to his newsletters. I have a backlog of books to read on some piece of Islam. I have read so many already.

But, I am currently into the Saddam, Al Qaeda, Saudi, Pakistani, and some others, links. And some of the others are such countries as France who helped Saddam create some of his WMDs that he was known to have as late as 2001. Then the Saudis have recently been caught - again - in cahoots with Al Qaeda. There is a 109 page doc they got and posted on the web. But some of the books I have recently mentioned (on the last post about Muslim charities being for the use of Jihadists) also go into this tie.

Then I got a bit side tracked onto Fatima and the three secrets, and the Secrets of Medjugorje and Garabandal Revealed. It seems the same message is coming out and the sad part is that it has a revelation about the Church which doesn’t help those who depend heavily on it to determine right from wrong.
al CIAda
 
And I noticed in Muslim Palestine how young Muslim men fornicated very much before marriage, cheated on their girl friends and the married ones flirted wherever they could, adultery was widespread and polygamy was allowed and practiced. Some of them openly went to prostitutes…
Where are the babies from these sinful unions? I guess they are dead in abortion. In Europe also many babies are killed in abortion. But here we dont hide our sins as much as you do in Muslim culture, pretending you are sinless.

At the same time Muslim women were stigmatised if they only so much as spoke to a man.

I saw all these horrible things much more than I ever saw in my European culture. When I had lived in Palestine for a while I noticed that I started to view every muslim man with suspicion because I had seen so much foul behaviour from their part. I learned that very few could be trusted at all and they all were at war with each other too it seemed.
I had no wish to view them like that. but after I was even threatened by some psychopath and severel of my friends were robbed at knife point and harrassed also sexually, it has become difficult for me.

To me it appears that hypocrisy is the biggest illness in Muslim societies… that, and lack of sense of proportion.

Dont teach Christians about sexual impurity. You have a looong way to go before you are worthy to do that… first you start by distancing yourself from that phedofile prophet of yours. Once you do that and you and your brothers start to live a pure life without hatred, supression of women and without sexual vices such as polygamy and fornication, then you can come and teach us.

Go take a hard long look in a mirror.
That is why we must suport Hamas.
 
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