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Hadi
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this indicates the freedom of expression given to him
To which I would add St. John of Damascusâ [c. 750 AD] âCritique of Islamâ
orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx
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tonyfran
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JESUS will not have to âKILLâ anti Christ.
Anti Christ will not be able to co-exist with JESUS.
It is like light does not have to âkillâ darkness.
Darkness will cease to exist in the presence of light.
Your Ignorance will cease to exist when you gain Knowledge.
âKnowledgeâ does not have to commit murder to eradicate your âignoranceâ.
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qui_est_ce
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This is a very interesting commentary by a contemporary of Mohammed. St John of Damascus points out a huge contradiction in Islam. This is why Christians do not believe in Islam
To which I would add St. John of Damascusâ [c. 750 AD] âCritique of Islamâ
orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx
St John of Damascus:
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qui_est_ce
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âEvil is the absence of goodness.â Quote attributed to Albert Einstein.
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tonyfran
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Is this story about Mohd true?Assalam,
Yes it is wrong and yes it is punishable. Before you supply me with a comeback- listen to a lecture by Anwar Al-Awlaki on Aisha (ra).
wasalam
Mohammed had a friend named Zeid. This man had a beautiful wife with whom Mohammed fell in love.
Once, when they were sitting together, Mohammed said: âOh, by the way, God has commanded me to take your wife.â
The other answered: âYou are an apostle. Do as God has told you and take my wife.â
Ratherâto tell the story over from the beginningâ
he said to him: âGod has given me the command that you put away your wife.â
And he put her away.
Then several days later: âNow,â he said, âGod has commanded me to take her.â
Then, after he had taken her and committed adultery with her, he made this law:
âLet him who will put away his wife. And if, after having put her away,
he should return to her, let another marry her.
For it is not lawful to take her unless she have been married by another.
Furthermore, if a brother puts away his wife, let his brother marry her,
should he so wish.â
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qui_est_ce
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What is the purpose of this law? Why must a woman first marry another before she remarries her husband?
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jakasaki
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You must be talking about Zaid - Zaid was a young Christian who apparently ended up in slavery. Mohamads first wife purchased Zaid and gave him to mohamad as a âgiftâ slave.
Mohamad liked the kid and eventualy set him free from slavery and adopted him as his âsonâ.
As Zaid got older he married this woman, her name was Zainab and itâs written that she was very beautiful.
OK, so these two are married and at one point, mohamad falls in love in Zainab and tells Zaid.
Now, mohamad already had several wives so adding one more to the mix was fine by him. Aishia, mohamads young wife didnât like the idea - but regardless, mohamad claimed that allah wished him to marry his adopted sonâs wife and so he did.
Zaid divorced his wife so mohamad can marry her.
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tonyfran
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Christ had undergone more humiliation, but had not retaliated, though He was GOD.
His humility will ensure His ultimate success over all his proud enemies.
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tonyfran
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Now I know why Islam is growing faster than any other religion
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jakasaki
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Well, think about this.
If one muslim man can marry up to 4 wives and each wife has 5 kids, well then thatâs 20 more muslims who are born in the faith.
But you also need to look at the âsecret apostatesâ of islam.
Many are leaving the faith in secrecy because they donât want to be killed. There are quite a few web sites from ex-muslims on the internet you can research.
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GraceDK
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Well written.
I really wonder how people like Zaki who have grown up after the enlightenment in a democracy can fall prey to a totalitarian system like Islam. Now he even sympathise with Hamas⌠He probably has a weakness for the likes of Khamenei and Ahmedinejad too. Its clear he has never realised that without LOVE there is no Truth⌠and now a religion of flesh has captivated him so that everything was turned upside down ⌠good is now bad and bad is good (eg when he and others try to justify the unjustifyable). its the same that happens in secularism⌠the universal moral values are turned upside down, until they are unrecognisable. LikeâŚthe ideas that freedom is only for a few (like freedom to turn to Islam but not away from Islam), some acts of immorality are okay for some(Muhammad) and not for othersâŚ
Today a colleage of mine said, without any incentive: âGrace, the new school books in England deny the holocaust. Do you know why?â
I answered: âI have an idea, but continueâ.
Then he said: âItâs because of the Muslims⌠these deny the Holocaust so in order to please them England bowing down like an idiotâ⌠He spoke harshly about Muslims in generel. I said: âWe must distinguish between Islam and the MuslimsâŚâ
But sometimes I start to wonder. The Muslims on these boards have had every chance to condenm the violence comitted by Muhammad and their fellow Muslims in the name of allah. They passed that chance every time. At the same time they have sought to justify sins of Muhammad, like his phedofilia, slaves and many wives, not by saying it didnt happen, but by pointing at the sins comitted by secular people in the west who however donât do it in the name of Christ, but in the name of agnosticism.
I have come to the conclusion that those who take their islam seriously are dangerous to every freedom and peaceloving person and nation. Because they dont have a criteria of love on the things they call Truth.
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tomarin
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Probably because the materialism that often accompanies democracy is a belief system that does not sustain human beingsâ need for spiritual transcendence.
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GraceDK
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True, but then again they have history lessons that teach them about the signs of former totalitarian regimes like communism in the Soviet and Hitlers Nazi terror regime. The methods used there are the same that are used widely in sharia-countries today where there is no freedom of speech, assembly, religious freedom or freedom of the press.
If we respect freedom we have to respect that some people choose decadence. We dont believe that is a good way for people. So we say that and we say why. These are poor sinners in need of help. In the same way with Muslims. They choose a false belief system that misinterprets the purpose and nature of the human person, what sin is, what salvation is here and in eternity. That too should be pointed out to them.
Like you, I believe that some people are rootless and fall prey to false religions, partly because of the failure of modern Godless systems. But there are also some who are eager to embrace exotic belief systems with a striking naivete or who deal lightly with religion and the question of truth.
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qui_est_ce
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Objectively, I find many of of Islamâs teachings, as represented by Islamists here, morally decadent. Easy divorce, multiple wives, slaves as sex partners, killing of Islam converts to Christianity, pedophilia.
Iâm not saying that all Islamists practice the above, but it is taught by Islam (according to Muslim posters here) and they are okay with thisâŚ
Forcing religion on people has not solved these problems. Women are still being stoned to death; fingers, hands and feet are still being cut off; homosexuals are still hung in public in Islamist countries.
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GraceDK
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My colleague was talking about totally new teaching materials for kids in the UK. I guess he read about it in a news paper somewhere.
I do not say whether its true or not. I merely repeated a lunch conversation.
However, its commonly known that England is in trouble with its own freedom principles.
Let me remind you that a validly democratically chosen politician from Holland was denied access to England earlier this year by England. Why? Because some muslim VIP said that his fellow muslims would make huge demontrations if he came in and participated in a meeting⌠so out of fear of violent and chaotic conditions in the streets of London the british government cowardly asked a peaceful elected person to leave as soon as he arrived instead of arresting the dude who was threatening with turning the place up side down.
You might not be able to imagine that.
Also in my country some artist who makes religiously challenging art was prohibited from being part of an exhibition. This guy was a refugee from the ME⌠he was shocked that the obression he fled from has now come to the West so that he cannot express himself artistically here anymore without the museums turning him down because of fear of confrontation with people that dont accept freedom of expression.
I do not say whether its true or not. I merely repeated a lunch conversation.
However, its commonly known that England is in trouble with its own freedom principles.
Let me remind you that a validly democratically chosen politician from Holland was denied access to England earlier this year by England. Why? Because some muslim VIP said that his fellow muslims would make huge demontrations if he came in and participated in a meeting⌠so out of fear of violent and chaotic conditions in the streets of London the british government cowardly asked a peaceful elected person to leave as soon as he arrived instead of arresting the dude who was threatening with turning the place up side down.
You might not be able to imagine that.
Also in my country some artist who makes religiously challenging art was prohibited from being part of an exhibition. This guy was a refugee from the ME⌠he was shocked that the obression he fled from has now come to the West so that he cannot express himself artistically here anymore without the museums turning him down because of fear of confrontation with people that dont accept freedom of expression.
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godhavemercy
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Please see attached link and send it to your Collegue. this story was a hoax
God Bless
snopes.com/politics/religion/holocaust.asp
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planten
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**jakasaki, you have a different religion to what used to be the religion of the world. I am sure the apostles of Jesus must have had more than one wife. It is not possible to check these things because their life in not described in bibleNT. Only jesus is described very briefly ( 3 years life history only) in the bibleNT.
I am sure Mary the mother was not the only wife or the first wife of Joseph the carpentar. When we research and describe such things, the Catholics get angry and they say we are abusing their great god.
The polygamy is prophesied in the bibleOT, Isaiah ch.4 verses 1 to 3. See below:
Isaiah 4 (New International Version)
Isaiah 4
1 In that day seven women
will take hold of one man
and say, âWe will eat our own food
and provide our own clothes;
only let us be called by your name.
Take away our disgrace!â**
That is being foretold about a time when many believing youngmen will be killed in wars imposed by the infidels. There will not be enough men to marry all the ladies.So the prophet will order limited polygamy so that there is no corruption (illegal sex) in the society. That is what happened at the time of Muhammad.
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There is no punishment for apostates in Islam unless there was a war going on. During war, it was necessary to check apostacy. Otherwise Islam allows allwho want to disown Islam, they can do it peacefully. No harm. I know that in manyMuslim countries, apostacy is punishable by death. But that is no concern of Islam because Islam does not support it. In Quran,there is no punishment for apostacy.
We have decribed it in detail many times.But Catholics keep on accusing us.Well if they accuse the present day Muslims, that is alright. They should not accuse Islam.
**That is true. But it is not the whole truth. Because jakasaki has raised this problem, I may inform every one that the christians are luring the poor muslims towards christianity by offering them money and wife and bangalow. Such apostates are prized property for the Catholics. This should be noted by every muslim here that the conversions are not genuine at all. They are the result of bad preaching practice. So there is a retaliation from the ignorant muslims too. **.
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I infact do not hate anyone [or for that matter any living thing created by Almighty God] for Christ commanded us to âlove one another!â That therefore is our solemn duty!
Blessings and peace
Blessings and peace
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planten
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**Tomarin, Thanks. You are right. Spiritual spermacy is much more important than the material gains. Just like soul or spirit is more important than the phyical body, likewise spiritul transcendence is very important.
Islam preaches for the uplift of the spirit in this world and the next world. That is why it guides and gives rules for good living, pious life and prayers.
Materialism cannot help mankind achieve spiritual transcendence (uplift).**
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