Why do you regularly attend the tridentine mass?

[MillTownCath]

Just curious, a lot of people here put “Traditional Catholic” or something similar for their “Religion”. Is it because some of you truly view it as though you believe in a separate religion, or are you just proud of your traditional roots/beliefs?

 

[Warrenton]

In answer to “why,” the reply is “because that is how my forefathers worshipped.” When I attend the old mass, I see in my mind’s eye my grandparents, their parents, and their parents. I see the great saints who went before heard the same thing, said the same prayers.

The reverence of the ritual, the message of permanency,of holiness repeat and show Christ’s eternal truth: “Heaven and earth shall pass away. My words shall not pass away.”

If I had a hundred lifetimes to live, I could not begin to approach the holiness of the people who formed, prayed and attended the old mass. It calls their faith out of history, and into the living present. It makes the present moment holy.

“I rejoiced at the things that were said to me. Let us go up to the house of the Lord.”

 

[Warrenton]

Just curious, a lot of people here put “Traditional Catholic” or something similar for their “Religion”. Is it because some of you truly view it as though you believe in a separate religion, or are you just proud of your traditional roots/beliefs?

“That is not it. That is not it, at all.” (TS Eliot)

 

[TrueLight]

anybody here a part of the SSPX? What are the general opinions on it here? Is it against forum rules to support it?

I don’t understand why, instead of just simply attending an EF Mass provided by the diocese, people join the SSPX? Last week I went to an EF Mass for the first time in my life, and I did it because I simply wanted to see what it was like. I don’t see why anyone would want to join a schismatic group when they could go to a Latin Mass and still be fully in the Church.

I won’t speak for the SSPX because I don’t regularly attend an SSPX chapel.

But I wish I could attend a traditional parish such as an FSSP parish every Sunday. Here is why:

• The priests are traditional in their thinking and counseling.
  – The laity are likely to be traditionalists as well, so you have that in common.
  – You get the traditional rites (For example, I was received into the church via the old rite).
  – You get no-nonsense, sermons/homilies.
  – All of the masses are EF masses (You’re not going to go to mass one day at noon and end up holding your neighbor’s hands during the Our Father.) So you have consistency.
  – You get no nonsense confessions.

I would think that those who attend SSPX masses have some of the same benefits.

I’m not saying it is not possible to get some of these things at parishes which also have the OF, but I am almost guaranteed these things at a traditional parish and this type of spirituality works for me.

 

[Melchior_1]

As for your latter sentence that cannot be discussed without breaking forum rules on pitting the two forms against each other, you can find such information easily enough on the internet. Or you can PM me if you wish, but I won’t be discussing it on the open forum so as to abide by the rules.

I know I can find out information on the Internet, I want to hear it from you. You said “changes to the form not the substance of the mass”. You introduced this line of thought, so I’d like to know if you think this is applicable to the Ordinary Form, on a personal level. And if it is, how it is “the substance” changed within the Missal of Paul VI. This isn’t pitting one form against another, because if you say “no, the substance of the Mass didn’t change with the Missal of Paul VI”, then you’re in alignment with Rome and we’re good to go.

 

[jmj1984]

I know I can find out information on the Internet, I want to hear it from you. You said “changes to the form not the substance of the mass”. You introduced this line of thought, so I’d like to know if you think this is applicable to the Ordinary Form, on a personal level. And if it is, how it is “the substance” changed within the Missal of Paul VI. This isn’t pitting one form against another, because if you say “no, the substance of the Mass didn’t change with the Missal of Paul VI”, then you’re in alignment with Rome and we’re good to go.

Not falling for the bait, sorry. I am not discussing this on the open forum.

 

[Melchior_1]

Not falling for the bait, sorry. I am not discussing this on the open forum.

No problem mate, your lack of assent that the Ordinary Form never changed the substance of the Mass speaks volumes on it’s own

 

[domandcarols]

Not falling for the bait, sorry. I am not discussing this on the open forum.

Good answer.

 

[jmj1984]

No problem mate, your lack of assent that the Ordinary Form never changed the substance of the Mass speaks volumes on it’s own

As St Thomas More could tell you, silence is not assent or dissent, it is simply silence, in fact its a legal rule that silence should be construed as assent if it must be construed as something.

 

[Melchior_1]

As St Thomas More could tell you, silence is not assent or dissent, it is simply silence, in fact its a legal rule that silence should be construed as assent if it must be construed as something.

There is also the concept of “perception is greater than reality”. A lack of public assent could be taken as something which you may not intend, and the court of public opinion does not follow the same legal system as others

 

[jmj1984]

There is also the concept of “perception is greater than reality”. A lack of public assent could be taken as something which you may not intend, and the court of public opinion does not follow the same legal system as others

Luckily the court of public opinion also counts for absolutely nothing, as I believe St Thomas More also said

 

[mattkubes]

I, on the other hand, am partial to the Ottaviani Intervention.

 

[FrancisMonica]

I don’t regularly attend mass in the Extraordinary Form, because we don’t have it. I’m not sure that we would want to have it as our daily mass. No, to be honest, we have discussed it and we have chosen not to have it as our daily mass. However, we do have it occasionally.

…

The older lady, the mother, came to the telephone. She said, “Brother, I just want to thank you. I did as you suggested. I got up bright and early and had my daughter drive me over to Church for mass. I couldn’t receive communion, because I haven’t been to confession in 40+ years. However, when the mass began, I felt that I had come home. I couldn’t contain my tears. I didn’t know that they still said mass in Latin, since I haven’t been around in a long time. Having attended that mass is going to make it easier to go to confession, because I feel like Dorothy. There’s no place like home. This is where I belong. I’ll be going back to that mass and after my appointment with the priest, I’ll be able to kneel there and go to communion, back home again. Thank you," and I smiled.

Not THAT, is sublime. The peace and quiet thing is OK. But you can get peace and quiet in your bathroom. But coming home and finding that someone has been waiting for you to return for 40 years and realizing that this is where you belong is sublime.

Brother Jay, you DO tell the best stories! Reading this story brightened my rather dismal day! Thank you!

Peace,
FM

 

[Bob_Aliano]

Tough to answer without stepping on the rules so I’ll just say it’s because I’m fortunate to have an FSSP parish local and I can attend the TLM.

 

[TrueLight]

This isn’t pitting one form against another, because if you say “no, the substance of the Mass didn’t change with the Missal of Paul VI”, then you’re in alignment with Rome and we’re good to go.

Now Melchior, that’s not fair. And it is bait.

 

[Pfaffenhoffen]

I won’t speak for the SSPX because I don’t regularly attend an SSPX chapel.

But I wish I could attend a traditional parish such as an FSSP parish every Sunday. Here is why:

• The priests are traditional in their thinking and counseling.
  – The laity are likely to be traditionalists as well, so you have that in common.
  – You get the traditional rites (For example, I was received into the church via the old rite).
  – You get no-nonsense, sermons/homilies.
  – All of the masses are EF masses (You’re not going to go to mass one day at noon and end up holding your neighbor’s hands during the Our Father.) So you have consistency.
  – You get no nonsense confessions.

I would think that those who attend SSPX masses have some of the same benefits.

I’m not saying it is not possible to get some of these things at parishes which also have the OF, but I am almost guaranteed these things at a traditional parish and this type of spirituality works for me.

May I ask a personal question?
Are you a person afraid of Changes? Or do you think that evolution in the Church stopped there and nothing can be changed? Or do you think that new experiments should be prfect right at the beginning?

 

[RogerDeCourcy]

May I ask a personal question?
Are you a person afraid of Changes? Or do you think that evolution in the Church stopped there and nothing can be changed? Or do you think that new experiments should be prfect right at the beginning?

I am very afraid of Change and also change. Especially when it comes to religion. Religion, by its nature, shouldn’t change: what was true yesterday should be true today.

Sacred rites, by their nature, shouldn’t be altered willy-nilly. But they seem to be in the C.C…

This is disturbing.

What every Catholic has a right to expect is solemn sacraments and straight teaching of the hard truths of dogma; not local or fashionable variation.

 

[Seamus_L]

Yesterday I wasn’t feeling well, and my girlfriend had a long day at work, so we decided for the first time since Easter Saturday Vigil to attend the local NO mass for the Feast of the Immaculation. All I could say afterwards, was that if I had to attend do this regularly my faith would suffer for it.

 

[MillTownCath]

Yesterday I wasn’t feeling well, and my girlfriend had a long day at work, so we decided for the first time since Easter Saturday Vigil to attend the local NO mass for the Feast of the Immaculation. All I could say afterwards, was that if I had to attend do this regularly my faith would suffer for it.

I have a friend who is a part of a Tridentine Rite society, and she said the same thing. She went as far as saying the NO is not her religion. I can only say this makes me extremely sad.

 

[Warrenton]

May I ask a personal question?
Are you a person afraid of Changes? Or do you think that evolution in the Church stopped there and nothing can be changed? Or do you think that new experiments should be prfect right at the beginning?

Afraid of changes? In this day and age? It’s nothing but change, morning, noon and night.

Take but one example from today’s headlines. Germany is going to agree to greater central control of the banks to rescue the Euro. Yesterday, Germany refused the same thing she agrees with today. Tomorrow, who knows what Germany will do.

Yesterday, Greece would not agree to control of her government by European bankers. Today, she’ll do anything they want. Tomorrow, who knows what Greece will do.

Take another example. Yesterday, we were told our population was critically high, that we would run out of food, housing and fuel. Today, we are told that since our population is too low, we must accept the influx of millions of foreigners among us to support our pensions, our medical insurance, our economy. Tomorrow, what will be told? Perhaps that we need to commit collective suicide for the comfort of the immigrants.

It’s not a question of being afraid of changes, its a question of being sick to death of changes.

The Church is my refuge from the pointless “evolution” that surrounds me, from the perpetutal “experimentations” at my expense by people who treat me like less thana pawn, on the sole basis that they have the power to do so.

The rites and rituals of the Church were kept by the holy men and women who lived before me, not only for their benefit, but also for my benefit, and for the benefit of those who are to come after me. That’s Catholic tradition. To take those traditions from me is a kind of theft. Asking if I think an experiment should be perfect from the beginning is like asking if I think a thief should take everything away in one robbery or hit me repeatedly. My preference, since you asked, is not to be robbed at all.

I resent the suggestion that if I prefer the tridentine mass, there is something defective about my personality or my spirituality. Though I am a sinner, I know what I need for salvation, and where the grace to obtain salvation may be found. To my thinking, this is far more realistic than imagining the truths of God can be altered to suit the whims of the moment, or fashion, or the preferences of people outside of the holy Church.

Catholics don’t need to ask if they fear changes. Catholics should be asking are we a people who are afraid of truth?