Why does America always have an "enemy?"

[estesbob]

Possibly so.

Which is not to say that I know or have read everything there is to know about about what G.W. did or did not do. Lots of stuff being alleged. Lots of it politically driven. One picks and chooses. I well recall my reaction to the Killian papers, back in the Dan Rather days. Based on 20 years in the AF, the formatting of some of the stuff looked odd to me.

But given a political proclivity, one chooses ones sources. Including a satire site, for that one. Probably looked useful.

GKC

The Killian papers were part of a well orchestrated campaign that was supposed to ruin George bushes reelection chances . Dan Rather made his scurrilous accusation on Sunday night and Monday morning the usual suspects among the Democratic Party had already been booked on the various talkshows to give the allegation the greatest possible exposure . By Wednesday it blown up in their faces

 

[GKC]

The Killian papers were part of a well orchestrated campaign that was supposed to ruin George bushes reelection chances . Dan Rather made his scurrilous accusation on Sunday night and Monday morning the usual suspects among the Democratic Party had already been booked on the various talkshows to give the allegation the greatest possible exposure . By Wednesday it blown up in their faces

That was my conclusion on the Killian papers, too. But my strongest reason for thinking that was based on my own experience with military terminology, phraseology, and abbreviations. I had no personal insight into the actual content. Merely that it was presented in a dubious package.

GKC

 

[meltzerboy]

All honor to honest, struggling alcoholics but George W Bush was a WAR CRIMINAL on the same level as Genghis Khan, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao and Hitler. What makes him worse than the last three is that he is responsible for wasting the lives of his good honest countrymen who trusted him. He knew that there were no WMD’s in Iraq. The ONLY ones were the what he brought in, lethal depleted uranium that not only killed and poisoned Iraq’s but soldiers who were not adequately protected. The invasion of Iraq was only a sick joke that can only be concocted and carried out only by druggies or those whose brain cells have been killed off by alcohol or a combination of both to revenge his father.

I suppose you believe that Henry Kissinger and Benjamin Netanyahu are also war criminals together with George Bush. I was never a supporter of Bush’s, but please don’t compare him to Hitler and Stalin. There is quite a difference.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

I suppose you believe that Henry Kissinger and Benjamin Netanyahu are also war criminals together with George Bush. I was never a supporter of Bush’s, but please don’t compare him to Hitler and Stalin. There is quite a difference.

You don’t want to know what I think about the other two. Suffice to say that this past summer was despicable. Chomsky called it “shooting fish in a barrel”. Others called it “mowing the lawn”. I’d advise not to go off topic. It frankly makes me want to vomit when I think about it.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

I suppose you believe that Henry Kissinger and Benjamin Netanyahu are also war criminals together with George Bush. I was never a supporter of Bush’s, but please don’t compare him to Hitler and Stalin. There is quite a difference.

I don’t know if there is a qualitative difference regarding mass murder when talking about numbers which become mere statistics. If society is hardened towards one abortion, then they will not flinch after the first million or so. Rationalization in another thread has been discussed how one excuses a sinful act, like Eve in the Garden, and proceeding to do it.
All the buzz words were being thrown around after 9/11 and there was enough spirit of revenge to justify. But as with lynch mobs, frequently the wrong people get strung up. What did the Iraqi people do to have their country polluted with depleted uranium? But indigenous people (Vietnamese, Iraqis, denizens of the Gaza Strip) frequently get short shrift by enlightened Westerners. One assumes that their proclivity to breed will replace what has been lost.
OK, after all those lives have been ruined, Americans as well, where are all those great benefits Bush was crowing about? I must admit that I did not suspect megalomaniac babblings, although the guy was frequently incoherent, a long stretch from Kennedy, Eisenhower and Reagan. And there is also the money trail, Halliburton, that came out the absolute winner with Cheney as CEO. Hey, is there something suspicious here?
I heard many times ad nauseam that ALL the Germans are responsible for the Holocaust down to the 3rd and 4th generations. However, what has transpired in Iraq, for instance, is a clear example of living through an event with much better mass communication than existed in Europe in the 1940’s, and STILL not get it. Or, one can “get it” and rationalize murder. That makes them no better than the Germans back then.

 

[PolarGuy]

When people say “Bush was worse than hitler or Stalin!,” it becomes facially evident that they can’t participate in rational discussion - even if they were able to take a breath to wipe the spittle off their faces.

BTW, I know a soldier whose leg got blown off by a weapon of mass destruction (an IED) that liberals insist wasn’t there and that they also insist GWB knew weren’t there. I’ll tell my friend that he must be wrong about his leg being missing.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

When people say “Bush was worse than hitler or Stalin!,” it becomes facially evident that they can’t participate in rational discussion - even if they were able to take a breath to wipe the spittle off their faces.
BTW, I know a soldier whose leg got blown off by a weapon of mass destruction (an IED) that liberals insist wasn’t there and that they also insist GWB knew weren’t there. I’ll tell my friend that he must be wrong about his leg being missing.

There was no need to go to Iraq in the first place. The US does not have to be the world’s policeman. If they want to make the world safe for democracy they can finish what they started in Korea.

 

[PolarGuy]

“What [the USA] started in Korea…”

–if you knew what you were talking about - and you clearly don’t - you’d know that the USA became involved in Korea after the communist north invaded the south. But then, facts clearly aren’t important to you yet, so why should now be different?

Please wipe again.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

“What [the USA] started in Korea…”

–if you knew what you were talking about - and you clearly don’t - you’d know that the USA became involved in Korea after the communist north invaded the south. But then, facts clearly aren’t important to you yet, so why should now be different?
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MacArthur wanted to finish the job in Korea but Truman stopped him. This was the beginning of a string of inconclusive wars, the next one being Vietnam. He knew as a military man that one doesn’t fight indeterminate wars. Either you do or you don’t. There needs to be a clear purpose and strategy. The gains must be plotted against losses. The incursion into Iraq only made money for the war industry.

 

[PolarGuy]

Say whatever you want…people who think bush was worse than hitler or Stalin can’t be reasoned with.

Bye.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Say whatever you want…people who think bush was worse than hitler or Stalin can’t be reasoned with.
Bye.

At least Hitler and Stalin were not part of an evil dynasty:
democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x633661
Prescott Bush was a Nazi-whore, but his father Samuel was worse (WWI)
“Samuel Prescott Bush (1863 - 1948) was the father of Senator Prescott Bush, grandfather of George H. W. Bush and grea tgrandfather George W. Bush.
In the spring of 1918, Samuel Bush became chief of the Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the War Industries Board. He was essentially taking national responsibility for government assistance to his own Remington Arms Company and other weapon makers. Through these weapons manufacturers, Bush made and sold arms to 75% of the WWI combatants on both sides. …Senate hearings in 1934 by the Nye committee attacked the ‘Merchants of Death’—war profiteers such as Remington Arms.”
communitycurrency.org/BushCrimeFamily.html
George Herbert Walker Bush 1924- present, Yale, Skull & Bones, (very significant club of rich and powerful, aptly named)

“The 41st president’s political life has been intertwined with four of the most powerful and profitable business enterprises on the planet: banking, oil, the arms/intelligence industries, and sales of illegal drugs. He began his career as an oil salesman for Dresser Industries and went on to co-found his own oil company, Zapata Petroleum Corp. of Houston. Bush was president of Zapata Oil from 1954 to 1964 and Zapata Offshore from 1964 to 1966. Persistent reports indicate Bush was also an undercover CIA agent in the early 60’s, playing a prominent role in the “Bay of Pigs” invasion of Cuba (code name: Operation Zapata) in 1961 and probably the Kennedy assassination in 1963.” More here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NlJQJUUqR4

A chip off the old block:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Bush
"Neil Bush was a member of the board of directors of Denver-based Silverado Savings and Loan during the 1980s’ larger savings and loan crisis. As his father, George H.W. Bush, was Vice President of the United States, his role in Silverado’s failure was a focal point of publicity. According to a piece in Salon, Silverado’s collapse cost taxpayers $1.3 billion. The US Office of Thrift Supervision investigated Silverado’s failure and determined that Bush had engaged in numerous “breaches of his fiduciary duties involving multiple conflicts of interest.” Although Bush was not indicted on criminal charges, a civil action was brought against him and the other Silverado directors by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation; it was eventually settled out of court, with Bush paying $50,000 as part of the settlement."

To repeat, when you have capital you don’t get punishment.

 

[PolarGuy]

I will simply reiterate everything I said in my last post about some people’s inability to be reasoned with. And I’ll send a towel for the spittle. I’ve made my point.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

I will simply reiterate everything I said in my last post about some people’s inability to be reasoned with. And I’ll send a towel for the spittle. I’ve made my point.

What makes you think I was talking to you? This was for the general reader. Your mottoe apparently, is “Don’t bother me with facts”.

 

[PolarGuy]

Facts typically aren’t important to people who claim Bush was worse than Hitler or Stalin.

 

[Mount_Carmel]

My answer to the thread question is that historically it comes with the territory of being powerful and influential in a world full of jealousy, mistrust and suspicion.

I just need to point to the experiences of Pax Romana and Pax Britannica to highlight some of the problems of being, and striving to stay, the big guy in town.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

My answer to the thread question is that historically it comes with the territory of being powerful and influential in a world full of jealousy, mistrust and suspicion. I just need to point to the experiences of Pax Romana and Pax Britannica to highlight some of the problems of being, and striving to stay, the big guy in town.

What will bring us to the brink of Armageddon are the horribly destructive weapons in the hands of cretins and megalomaniacs. The Romans and the Brits didn’t have the force to destroy the world.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Where are the flaming Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? People got killed for that, plenty, at least a half million Iraqi’s. For what? So Bush (Shrub is a better name for him) could give them freedom to be terrorized by ISIS? Saddam Hussein for the most part left the Christians alone, now they are being murdered, raped and their churches destroyed and must run for their lives. The depleted uranium poisoning of areas like Falluja is such a grotesque evil spawning monsters in the womb and after.
Insult a President of the United States? He is DIRT under my feet.

The Brits destroyed what the Iraqi government thought was the last of the WMD last summer (look it up). But they recently found some more and everybody hopes ISIS doesn’t get its hands on any of it. Likely more will be found for decades and years to come.

There is no credible evidence that depleted uranium ordinance has harmed anyone. But it is true that some of Saddam’s chemical warfare stuff has gotten out into the populace and has caused some serious health problems.

Saddam left those Christians (and Shiites, and Sunni and Kurds) alone whom he wanted to leave alone. Those he wanted to torture and/or kill, he tortured and/or killed. He is responsible for a million untimely deaths and started two wars, one of them virtually a world war. He was greatly stronger militarily than ISIS is.

Would you put him back in power if you could? Seriously, would you?

And it was Obama who left Iraq despite the pleas of the Sunni, Shia and Kurds for us to stay longer in order to keep the peace. Bush warned against that, just as the military and intelligence people did, but Obama had made his brags about ending “Bush’s war” and left it to ISIS and Iran to divide up the Middle East.

 

[estesbob]

The Brits destroyed what the Iraqi government thought was the last of the WMD last summer (look it up). But they recently found some more and everybody hopes ISIS doesn’t get its hands on any of it. Likely more will be found for decades and years to come.

There is no credible evidence that depleted uranium ordinance has harmed anyone. But it is true that some of Saddam’s chemical warfare stuff has gotten out into the populace and has caused some serious health problems.

Saddam left those Christians (and Shiites, and Sunni and Kurds) alone whom he wanted to leave alone. Those he wanted to torture and/or kill, he tortured and/or killed. He is responsible for a million untimely deaths and started two wars, one of them virtually a world war. He was greatly stronger militarily than ISIS is.

Would you put him back in power if you could? Seriously, would you?

And it was Obama who left Iraq despite the pleas of the Sunni, Shia and Kurds for us to stay longer in order to keep the peace. Bush warned against that, just as the military and intelligence people did, but Obama had made his brags about ending “Bush’s war” and left it to ISIS and Iran to divide up the Middle East.

You can’t reason with thos afflicted with BDS

 

[Ridgerunner]

You can’t reason with thos afflicted with BDS

No, but one can hope that some actual information will slip through a crack in the facade.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

The Brits destroyed what the Iraqi government thought was the last of the WMD last summer (look it up). But they recently found some more and everybody hopes ISIS doesn’t get its hands on any of it. Likely more will be found for decades and years to come.
There is no credible evidence that depleted uranium ordinance has harmed anyone. But it is true that some of Saddam’s chemical warfare stuff has gotten out into the populace and has caused some serious health problems.
Saddam left those Christians (and Shiites, and Sunni and Kurds) alone whom he wanted to leave alone. Those he wanted to torture and/or kill, he tortured and/or killed. He is responsible for a million untimely deaths and started two wars, one of them virtually a world war. He was greatly stronger militarily than ISIS is.
Would you put him back in power if you could? Seriously, would you?
And it was Obama who left Iraq despite the pleas of the Sunni, Shia and Kurds for us to stay longer in order to keep the peace. Bush warned against that, just as the military and intelligence people did, but Obama had made his brags about ending “Bush’s war” and left it to ISIS and Iran to divide up the Middle East.

I left a link previously about the horror of depleted uranium not only on large swaths of Iraq but has been covered up as Gulf War Syndrome for soldiers suffering from it. If you didn’t read it then, you won’t now if repeated here but all one needs to do is google up images on the subject preferably with a vomit bucket beside the computer table.
The US had NO business in Iraq period. It has opened up a Pandora’s Box of devils much worse than Saddam. In fact, it will probably lead to WWIII.