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zamyrabyrd
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I read something many years ago that made a big impression on me. I was always wondering about people in communist countries where the freedom of press is very restricted, how they get access to the truth. The answer was very simple: they know that practically everything in Pravda or Novy Mir is a LIE, so they believe the opposite.
Not so in countries where “all the news that is fit to print” which should be more like “print to to fit” or even “spit to print”. The reason being that one assumes since there is freedom to disseminate anything we are getting the truth, or at least there would be a sifting of information so that the truth will emerge. This is happening in a big way because of the internet and not having to be dependent on the big conglomerates that control information.
That said, I even believed many of the LIES that were told about GW Bush’s incursion into Iraq of which searching for WMD’s were just a pretext to settle his father’s score. I still wonder about such a person who now paints puppies and was not only rumored to be an alcoholic but was stopped a year ago under suspicion of being under the influence:
empirenews.net/george-w-bush-arrested-for-cocaine-possession/
With all the self righteousness about the war on drugs, this is what has been happening under the radar. And given all the atrocities and grotesque damage to Iraq, conceivably drugging oneself is the only way to cope with his conscience:
*"One of the most notorious Presidents in history of The United States of America is back in the spotlight, but not because of his politics. George W. Bush was arrested in a Dallas suburb late Tuesday evening after a routine traffic stop uncovered over an ounce of cocaine in his glove compartment.
Dallas police say they pulled over Bush after he made a right turn without signaling. Officers report they were surprised when seeing it was the ex-president, but felt something was off about his behavior. They say Bush seemed under the influence of a narcotic, and the officers on-scene asked to search the car. Curiously, Bush consented, and police found the narcotics."*
These days with the internet, you can run but not hide…
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zamyrabyrd
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Dear Alice, I personally feel like an idiot because I have lived in the Middle East and still didn’t get it while it was happening. So I can hardly blame others who don’t have personal experience with how things go there. People know the rules and go about their daily lives for the most part without interference by the government. They know it is corrupt but in general stay away from it.
Saddam Hussein, who by the way was a buddy of the US in the way politics makes strange bedfellows, the enemy of my enemy, etc., actually was known for protecting Christians. He had a case against the Kurds but what bloody business is it of the US? Or put it this way, risk a far greater disaster which is EXACTLY happening now?
The so-called Arab Spring was cheerled by Obama and the State Department and now look what we got? Helter-skelter in Egypt, beheadings of Christians in Libya and Ethiopia.
It is due directly and precisely because of the stupid meddling of Bush and Blair. But “freedom” although this is a nice catch word that attracts young people to go and fight for it, was not even the pretext. The result was big bucks for Halliburton. Follow the money trail. This is really despicable but is only continuing the tradition of Prescott Bush who was deemed a “Merchant of Death” by Congress in the 1930’s. They did manage to clip his wings though by closing his accounts with Nazi Germany in the early part of the war.
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My point is simply that the Muslim extremists are going to die out without a whimper.
Did you hear the King of Jordan speak. We are fighting evil. I wish You were correct. I wish all the prayer of the CAF would stop ISIS in its path.
The Arabs had a prophecy. It went when all the Arab states are in a state of turmoil, the great Mahadi will arise and the Caliphate will take over. The great Mahdi is the 12th priophet,
Google 12th prophet. We,as Christians have our prophecy; Please, Lord Jesus come. Now.
All I can pray is that all the blood shed by the martyrs will start a revival in the Muslims.
Psalm 68.1 LET GOD ARISE AND LET HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED LET THEM THAT HATE HIM FLEE FROM BEFORE HIS FACE. Chaplet of the Holy Face.
God help us.
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Did you hear the King of Jordan speak. We are fighting evil. I wish You were correct. I wish all the prayer of the CAF would stop ISIS in its path.
The Arabs had a prophecy. It went when all the Arab states are in a state of turmoil, the great Mahadi will arise and the Caliphate will take over. The great Mahdi is the 12th priophet,
Google 12th prophet. We,as Christians have our prophecy; Please, Lord Jesus come. Now.
All I can pray is that all the blood shed by the martyrs will start a revival in the Muslims.
Psalm 68.1 LET GOD ARISE AND LET HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED LET THEM THAT HATE HIM FLEE FROM BEFORE HIS FACE. Chaplet of the Holy Face.
God help us.
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zamyrabyrd
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With or without a whimper, I don’t know. What’s going to happen, I suppose will happen. However, we don’t have to “cheerlead the Apocalypse” in the words of a very astute clergyman. All the best… peace out…
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estesbob
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It would appear that for the Left the only enemy America has is George Bush
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tabycat
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God I trust and have faith in, it is NK and Iran I don’t trust to do any thing but try to get rid of the US and Iseal.
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tabycat
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Does that mean that we should roll and die like they want us to? I am not going to.
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tabycat
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Are you blaming the USA and it’s allies for what Hitler, Stalin, and their followers did?
I don’t think the more then 30 million that they killed would.
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PolarGuy
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It disgusts me when I see people compare the USA unfavorably to the nazis or the Stalinists. Those “Americans” don’t know how good they have it; how truly evil the nazis and Stalinists were; or how the USA was and is essentially the only thing standing between millions of innocents and horrific death in the decades between the 1940s and today.
I also notice that none of the “Americans” who trash the USA are ever willing to leave it…
I also notice that none of the “Americans” who trash the USA are ever willing to leave it…
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esieffe
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Most of our enemies were acquired during and after the cold war. When you manipulate countries to do things against their will or against the best interest of their people to improve your tactile, or political advantages, people get wise to it and get pretty mad.
“When you are a Superpower, the only way to go is down if your not careful.” That’s the thinking. The US has done a world of good, and a bunch of bad as well. The good I THINK outweighs the bad, at least I hope, but there is a lot of bad.
We even had some practice before the cold war. The subjugation of the Philippines courtesy of President Teddy Roosevelt, was where we learned how to “play bad.” Of course the Soviets were much worse, when you consider Stalin’s purges, I don’t know if that justifies our actions or not.
“When you are a Superpower, the only way to go is down if your not careful.” That’s the thinking. The US has done a world of good, and a bunch of bad as well. The good I THINK outweighs the bad, at least I hope, but there is a lot of bad.
We even had some practice before the cold war. The subjugation of the Philippines courtesy of President Teddy Roosevelt, was where we learned how to “play bad.” Of course the Soviets were much worse, when you consider Stalin’s purges, I don’t know if that justifies our actions or not.
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PolarGuy
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Esieffe, I’m sorry, I must respectfully disagree with some of what you write - or maybe I should say I offer a more “nuanced” view.
First, what you call “manipulating countries to do things against their will,” I just call “diplomacy.” If I’m a superpower, I could use diplomacy (as the US usually does) or I could use brute force (as most other “superpowers,” however we define them, have historically done, whether that is Nazi Germany; the USSR; Napoleon, the British Empire, etc.) to accomplish such ends.
As to the only example you give of “playing bad,” namely, the freeing of the Philippines from Spain, I would point out some things. First, the USA did in fact ultimately “free” them as Spain did not. Second, what you call “playing bad” I call “one of the first examples of nation building,” where the USA voluntarily left a free nation in its wake. That’s playing bad? Sorry, disagree. Playing tough with Spain in 1898 is not “playing bad.”
Don’t believe the liberal hype: The USA has done A LOT MORE GOOD than it has done evil. A LOT MORE. One of the best examples, often forgotten: the USA is the world’s model for democracy. We became one when Germany were a mass of feuding nation states; when England was a monarchy; and before France crowned Napoleon (or rather before he crowned himself) and then decided to make war on the entire civilized world. The USA is the original model for modern democracy, and that alone ought to count for a LOT.
First, what you call “manipulating countries to do things against their will,” I just call “diplomacy.” If I’m a superpower, I could use diplomacy (as the US usually does) or I could use brute force (as most other “superpowers,” however we define them, have historically done, whether that is Nazi Germany; the USSR; Napoleon, the British Empire, etc.) to accomplish such ends.
As to the only example you give of “playing bad,” namely, the freeing of the Philippines from Spain, I would point out some things. First, the USA did in fact ultimately “free” them as Spain did not. Second, what you call “playing bad” I call “one of the first examples of nation building,” where the USA voluntarily left a free nation in its wake. That’s playing bad? Sorry, disagree. Playing tough with Spain in 1898 is not “playing bad.”
Don’t believe the liberal hype: The USA has done A LOT MORE GOOD than it has done evil. A LOT MORE. One of the best examples, often forgotten: the USA is the world’s model for democracy. We became one when Germany were a mass of feuding nation states; when England was a monarchy; and before France crowned Napoleon (or rather before he crowned himself) and then decided to make war on the entire civilized world. The USA is the original model for modern democracy, and that alone ought to count for a LOT.
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estesbob
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In reading this thread I’m reminded of some lines from the executioners song in "The Mikado "condemning :
" People who praise, in enthusiastic tones
Every century but the one they’re in , every country but their own"
" People who praise, in enthusiastic tones
Every century but the one they’re in , every country but their own"
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PolarGuy
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Quote what you like, Bob - do you think I’m wrong?
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zamyrabyrd
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At the time of Gilbert and Sullivan there was not the technology to destroy the world. From 70 years ago, the nuclear pollution started that cannot be undone except in millions of years. I do long to go back to the Victorian era, seriously - the latest being the Fukushima disaster -and would pray that uranium would never be invented. Science, technology and communications may have improved tremendously but ethics haven’t. In fact, it seems that people are becoming more brutal and less civilized. So they surely don’t need more expensive and lethal toys to destroy us all with.
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estesbob
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I agree with you wholeheartedly.Other than the Catholic Church the United States has been the greatest force for good in the history of mankind
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PolarGuy
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I’m sorry, Bob, I thought I was going to get flamed! I misjudged you. I apologize.
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estesbob
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Don’t worry You said nice things about the USA so I am sure you will be flamed. Well roast some marshmellows when it hapoens
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santiagoamr
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God can not be on the side of murdering sociopaths and thieves, America is just another puppet, much like the devil is the puppet to God’s plans.
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santiagoamr
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Hahahaha really? OMG no one can seriously believe that. Look what ‘America’ has done with Values, they have twisted every single one of them. No Up is not Down, no way. Up is Up and that is it. Bombing for peace and invading for democracy is not correct it is twisted and evil. But that is what the devil does, twists things around, and now you can not even see the truth.
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