Yes, I would hope that before, and after, he condemns adultery, condemns what he chose to do. And since he condemns what he did, he looks back and condemns himself, or the part of himself, that made the decision to commit adultery. It was an act that caused great harm to himself and his marriage.
No, it has been terrific!
I don’t understand. Are you saying we can completely understand God in this life?
I think that there are several different factors going on here.
For me the reason is concupiscence, the inclination of human beings to behave sinfully. This is a result of Original Sin. It is what we fight in order to freely demonstrate our faith.
- Just because we “know” what God wants doesn’t mean we do what God wants.
- We may think we understand and try to follow Him, but we don’t fully “get it”.
- We may behave poorly because of the power of sin.
- We may “know” intellectually but not have true understanding in our heart.
- Our faith is immature.
More specifically, I think we do it most often out of pride. Many theologians believe pride is at the root of all of our personal sins. Essentially pride is self-love.
The Catholic Encyclopedia says: “Pride”
By it the creature refuses to stay within his essential orbit; he turns his back upon God, not through weakness or ignorance, but solely because in his self-exaltation he is minded not to submit.
In other words we get a bit full of ourselves and we think that we “know what’s best for ourselves” or we chase after what we think is good- sex, wealth, fame, power, etc. instead of the Good of God. Sometimes it makes us think we can do things that are beyond our ability. It leads to other sins like selfishness, disobedience, cheating, stealing, and hypocrisy.
Basically we do what we feel is good but only what is “good” for us. This pride is always a rejection of God. Pride places ourselves at center of the universe, a place only God should occupy.
Ultimately, we truly don’t know who has gone to hell or why they rejected God. We don’t know that anyone is there besides Satan and his minions. (I believe that many are. Just my own opinion.) Only God knows for sure. Just like you said! :tiphat:
No body understands what I write! lol (myself included!)Thanks for clarifying! I agree with you 100%. I don’t think we have the capacity as human creatures to fully concieve of God in this life.
I was saying I don’t think we can have a full understanding of God in this life. We can get so far. If A&E K&W rejected God then they too didn’t have a full understanding of him either!
So if you, in your opinion believe many are in hell, what does hell look like to you? Is it a place of fire and torture, or is it a place of nothingness? Or is it what many say it maybe, a eternal separation from God, as in when we die there is nothing after? But then if there was nothing after, then there is no punishment for people who K&W rejected God.
People do choose a good, on that we agree. I don’t think they are ignorant or blind necessarily, but they do choose good.
When he decided that his good was better than God’s Good, he just stopped resisting.
Of course not! I knew that all along. Before and after!
Okay, he decided that his good was better than God’s good.
OneSheep: I’m confused now. On the one hand you said “I knew that all along” that God’s will is more important than your own, but on the other hand you said that you decided “your good was better than God’s good” at the moment you sinned.
If they then realise that they needed God all along when they get to hell, God still could forgive them for their wrong doings…God can do anything.
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If one is an atheist, then there already is a separation from God. If one is not disturbed by being separated from God, why would it matter if they are not saved after death?
There will be a final judgment as you describe, but this is not what happens upon each individual’s death before that happens. Until then each of us faces his “particular judgment”.
Thank you for your :twocents:
This can be remedied by contrition and repentence through the Sacrament of Confession.
I thought the Son of Man would decide whether a soul is saved and Jesus would act as the Son of Man.
Sure! When we die, Christ immediately judges us. We immediately receive salvation or damnation. We don’t have to wait for the Apocalyptic Final Judgment to receive our salvation.
Not really, a person could confess, repent, receive mercy, but return to the same thought over and over. Some things don’t just disappear once we confess…
Yes, really. A good confession restores our relationship with God. A good confession also taps into God’s grace to avoid returning to the sin. I have personal experience that some things do disappear, though not immediately.
That’s why my father has observed his acquaintances sinning during the week, going to confession, and resume sinning the following week.
Eschatology is quite variable among the various flavors of Christianity. The idea of what happens in the afterlife, if there is one, was debated between the Sadducees and the Pharisees. The Sadducees believed that there was no resurrection, but the Pharisees did.Sure! When we die, Christ immediately judges us. We immediately receive salvation or damnation. We don’t have to wait for the Apocalyptic Final Judgment to receive our salvation.
Well,this is sort-of true. Baptism is a sign, it is a sacrament. A sacrament is a sign that something has happened, will happen in the future, or is happening in the moment. Baptism is only one part of the sacraments of initiation, and those sacraments are not “complete” until Confirmation. It is at Confirmation that we complete the “sign” that we have invited the Spirit to come in and guide our lives. I have it first hand that many (if not most) who go through Confirmation do not make a mature decision to dedicate their life to Christ, and in this respect, they have not invited the Spirit either. Jesus does not impose Himself, he knocks very vigorously, but He does not “take over” without invitation.
I agree, and this aspect is within every human. It is there, but it is through experience (and guidance from others around us) that we gain access to it.
We do not have the relationship through baptism unless it takes place in the original sense, that Baptism is all-inclusive, that it includes First Communion and Confirmation. Relationships are not a one-way street. Yes, God is in relationship with us, He is in relationship with every human walking this Earth. For us to be in relationship with God, we have to intend such in some way. Arguably, all of us intend some type of relationship with God, though the vernacular might be different for an atheist. For example, since God is within all of us, a relationship with each other is part of a relationship with God. Atheists values relationships with other people, generally speaking.
So, Fred is watching a train headed toward five people on a railroad bridge. He does not realize that he is standing next to a switch that will veer the train away from the people. He does not know the option. He knows that it would be a sin not to do all he can to save the people, but he does not know the option of how to do it.
The atheist only thinks he is separated from God.
Are you saying that anybody who thinks he is separated from God is delusional?The atheist only thinks he is separated from God.
You cannot convince me otherwise. You are not separated from God. No one is separated from God.
However, to me it is okay to think that you are separated.