Why does God create souls he know will wind up in hell?

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I think folks should take a long hard read of Romans 9

an excerpt…

11 Even before they had been born or had done anything good or bad (so that God’s purpose of election might continue, 12 not by works but by his call) she was told, “The elder shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written,

“I have loved Jacob,
but I have hated Esau.”
14 What then are we to say? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses,

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16 So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy. 17 For the scripture says to Pharaoh, “I have raised you up for the very purpose of showing my power in you, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses.

God’s Wrath and Mercy

19 You will say to me then, “Why then does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who indeed are you, a human being, to argue with God? Will what is molded say to the one who molds it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one object for special use and another for ordinary use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction; 23 and what if he has done so in order to make known the riches of his glory for the objects of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 including us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea,
 
Doesn’t follow. There’s no punishment placed on something that doesn’t exist. It just doesn’t exist.
 
So God causes evil so that good may come of it?

No. Just no. Not comparable in any way.
 
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I have taken a long hard look at that passage and find it incredibly hard to take in, it is like it makes a mockery of all our merits, that someone who lived a good successful life sinned and died, went to Hell at the last minute while someone was saved because they lived a bad life but asked for forgiveness at the last minute, it makes a mockery of merit.
 
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God causes evil by placing those souls He knows will be evil in the world. God knew Hitler would cause the holocaust, so God placed Him here so that He could carry that out, no? Couldn’t not create Hitler. If you have the opportunity to prevent some evil you know will occur, but do not, you are complicit.
 
Okay. What I don’t understand is why God could not/did not choose to not create Hitler. Explain that to me. Be patient, it’s just not clicking and that is my main issue with your statements.
 
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How? A being has no free will if they don’t exist. Killing someone before they can carry out their actions is ending free will. Preventing them from existence is not, or I at least fail to see how it can be.

So it is your position that not a single soul exists or will exist that would be saved regardless of the actions of the damned?
 
It still makes a mockery of merit I think for God to see that some die in a state of mortal sin after a good life while others die in a state of grace after a bad life, where is the justice, where is the fairness?
 
We are free to choose until death. Sinners who repair their relationship with God have prepared themselves to accept His invitation at the end of their lives. No matter how righteous you are, mortal sin breaks that bond and leads you to choose hell.
 
Okay, Judas is one soul. Are there any others necessary for our salvation that God must have made? I can see Judas, I can’t see others.
 
How? For man to merit he has to do something, he would not merit anything by staying in bed all day.
 
I suppose he does need grace but he still achieves the good work out of his own efford, God did not drag him by the hand to do it.
 
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I have taken a long hard look at that passage and find it incredibly hard to take in, it is like it makes a mockery of all our merits, that someone who lived a good successful life sinned and died, went to Hell at the last minute while someone was saved because they lived a bad life but asked for forgiveness at the last minute, it makes a mockery of merit.
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Chapter 9 is a very short chapter, and perhaps it would help to read it in it’s entirety (I can only paste and copy so much)…but suffice to say, merit alone is not what is required for saving faith…our works alone are meaningless…or as scripture says…

O that you would tear open the heavens and come down,
so that the mountains would quake at your presence—
2 [a] as when fire kindles brushwood
and the fire causes water to boil—
to make your name known to your adversaries,
so that the nations might tremble at your presence!
3 When you did awesome deeds that we did not expect,
you came down, the mountains quaked at your presence.
4 From ages past no one has heard,
no ear has perceived,
no eye has seen any God besides you,
who works for those who wait for him.
5 You meet those who gladly do right,
those who remember you in your ways.
But you were angry, and we sinned;
because you hid yourself we transgressed.[b]
6 We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a filthy cloth.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
7 There is no one who calls on your name,
or attempts to take hold of you;
for you have hidden your face from us,
and have delivered[c] us into the hand of our iniquity.
8 Yet, O Lord, you are our Father;
we are the clay, and you are our potter;
we are all the work of your hand.
9 Do not be exceedingly angry, O Lord,
and do not remember iniquity forever.
Now consider, we are all your people.

I hope this helps a little…

M
 
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Appreciate the passage, many thanks for posting it but I think it is a fact that our works do matter when it comes to salvation, God appreciates those who have done good. God appreciates those who have made an effort, any effort and it is only right that he rewards those who have made sacrifices and suffered hardships, long hours of toil.
 
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