Why does Islam consider Jesus a prophet?

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

Aquarius:

unfortunatly, we are limited by a certain numbers of words…however, John is saying the word is God, yet continues to explain who the word is…all these, if you do not understand what John meant, then you don’t want to understand; in fact, to those who dont want to believe Jesus is God, they attack John’s gospel coz it focuses on Jesus the God…ironically enough, to you, it doesnt…speaks a lot…it does not need a university degree to understand what John was talking about…

I agree one does not need a university degree to come to your interpretation. All one needs is a prior belief that Jesus is God before reading the gospels. But the work of the authors itself does not indicate they thought Jesus was God.

 

[inJESUS]

I don’t know what John was talking about because he didn’t tell us.

I say the gospel authors didn’t think Jesus was God because they didn’t say so. I say this because I read the gospels.

yes yes sure.

If it is an insult to intelligence to contend the authors of the gospels didn’t think Jesus was God, then it should be very easy to refute that idea. Just show where each author tells us Jesus was God. (Hint: you won’t find it.)

lets see:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and **the Word was God. **
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He was in the beginning with God WHO WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD?MMM

All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. What came to be **
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through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race**;
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4 the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
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5 A man named John was sent from God.
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He came for testimony, 6 to testify to the light, so that all might believe through him. SO JOHN WAS TESTIFYING TO THE LIGHT WHICH IS GOD. MMMM WHO WAS JOHN TESTIFYING TO IN YOUR OPINION?
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He was not the light, but came to testify to the light.
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The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.
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**He was in the world, and the world came to be through him, but the world did not know him. ** MMMM

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He came to what was his own, but his own people 7 did not accept him.
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But to **those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believe in his name, ** 13
8 who were born not by natural generation nor by human choice nor by a man’s decision but of God

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And the Word became flesh 9 and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth

From his fullness we have all received, grace in place of grace, 11
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because while the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, 12 who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him.

ufff too hard to get !

 

[Aquarius]

StMarkEofE:

When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” They replied, " Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah: and still others, Jeremiah of one of the prophets". But what about you? He asked (Peter). “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, " You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”.

Matt 16:13-17

I would say that this is right out of the Masters mouth and for my money that proves who Jesus really was. Now if this were the only prove it still may be a little shaky but He rose from the dead to prove His Divinity.

Aquarius:
Even if we accept your theory, does being the son of God mean one is God? The Lord’s Prayer starts with, “Our Father.” Does that mean everyone is the son of God? I agree that is a bit shaky.

For one who comes to the gospel with a conviction that Jesus is God, that may be sufficient to bolster their belief, but it is insufficient to demonstrate the authors of the gospel considered Jesus to be God.

It is very difficult to demonstrate the gospel authors considered Jesus to be God. They just don’t say so. Isn’t it odd that they are silent about the most spectacular event in history. Why would their silence lead us to think they considered Jesus to be God?

Keep in mind that one does not have to deny Jesus is God to acknowledge the authors give no indication they agreed.

 

[inJESUS]

Salaam George;

I agree with you that God can perform His Will in the manner that pleases Him: “Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is

” [Qur’an 3:59]

If the virgin birth was to prove the Sonship of Jesus to God, God would have made it known to the people at the very birth of Jesus. However such is not the case according to the Biblical account. According to that account it looked to everyone looking to Mary from outside that Jesus was the son of Joseph. Why would an event (virgin birth) which would prove the sonship of Jesus to God, be hidden from the people and only inspired to someone to write it down 70 years later? Jesus is not called the Son of God because he came from Mary…he is called Son of Man coz he came from Mary…so the virgin birth has nothing to do with Jesus being called Son of God.

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

yes yes sure.

lets see:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and **the Word was God. **

2
He was in the beginning with God WHO WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD?MMM

All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. What came to be **
4
through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race**;
5
4 the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
6
5 A man named John was sent from God.
7
He came for testimony, 6 to testify to the light, so that all might believe through him. SO JOHN WAS TESTIFYING TO THE LIGHT WHICH IS GOD. MMMM WHO WAS JOHN TESTIFYING TO IN YOUR OPINION?
8
He was not the light, but came to testify to the light.
9
The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.
10
**He was in the world, and the world came to be through him, but the world did not know him. ** MMMM

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He came to what was his own, but his own people 7 did not accept him.
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But to **those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believe in his name, ** 13
8 who were born not by natural generation nor by human choice nor by a man’s decision but of God

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And the Word became flesh 9 and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth

From his fullness we have all received, grace in place of grace, 11
17
because while the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18
No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, 12 who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him.

ufff too hard to get !

Which one of those tells us the author considered Jesus to be God? They may be reasons you think Jesus is God, but they do not show the author considered Jesus to be God.

 

[inJESUS]

Even if we accept your theory, does being the son of God mean one is God? The Lord’s Prayer starts with, “Our Father.” Does that mean everyone is the son of God? I agree that is a bit shaky.

no; Jesus being the only Son of God has a different meaning, like when you read it in the parable. People being called sons of God is not the same as Jesus being the eternal son of God. Jesus is not the Son of God in the sense that God got married to have him; son of God is a title given to Jesus to denote the unity between him and the father .

 

[inJESUS]

Aquarius:

inJESUS:

Which one of those tells us the author considered Jesus to be God? They may be reasons you think Jesus is God, but they do not show the author considered Jesus to be God.

i’ll break it down for you:

THE WORD WAS GOD
THE WORD BECAME FLESH

who do you think this applies to? Brad pit ?

 

[George_Waters]

inJESUS:

no; Jesus being the only Son of God has a different meaning, like when you read it in the parable. People being called sons of God is not the same as Jesus being the eternal son of God. Jesus is not the Son of God in the sense that God got married to have him; son of God is a title given to Jesus to denote the unity between him and the father .

Nice explanation! Better than I did why back on post 24 this morning!

 

[inJESUS]

George Waters:

Nice explanation! Better than I did why back on post 24 this morning!

i’m glad you understood it …i have a problem expressing adequatly in english , especially thelogic ideas,but it seems am improving

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

no; Jesus being the only Son of God has a different meaning, like when you read it in the parable. People being called sons of God is not the same as Jesus being the eternal son of God. Jesus is not the Son of God in the sense that God got married to have him; son of God is a title given to Jesus to denote the unity between him and the father .

The authors of the gospels didn’t say that. Perhaps they should have.

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

Aquarius:

inJESUS:

i’ll break it down for you:

THE WORD WAS GOD
THE WORD BECAME FLESH

who do you think this applies to? Brad pit ?

Unfortunately, the authors of the gospels didn’t break it down.

I know you believe Jesus was God, but I see no reason to think they shared that belief.

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

i’m glad you understood it …i have a problem expressing adequatly in english , especially thelogic ideas,but it seems am improving

What’s your native language? I have no trouble understanding what you are saying.

 

[inJESUS]

And no one knoweth the Son, but the Father: neither doth any one know the Father, but the Son, and he to whom it shall please the Son to reveal HIM.

"After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: ‘Father, the time has come. Glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people THAT HE MIGHT GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN …

this is the difference between Jesus, Son of God, and us, sons of God.

 

[Lance]

Because Mohammad got it wrong, just as he got a lot of other things wrong.

 

[inJESUS]

Aquarius:

What’s your native language? I have no trouble understanding what you are saying.

i know many languages thats why i mix them together sometimes but my native is Arabic

 

[inJESUS]

Aquarius:

inJESUS:

Aquarius:

Unfortunately, the authors of the gospels didn’t break it down.

I know you believe Jesus was God, but I see no reason to think they shared that belief.

If they tell you that the Word is God, and that the Word who is God became flesh, and that John came to prepare for the Word of God who became flesh, and that John came to prepare for Jesus, what do you understand out of this?

 

[Aquarius]

And no one knoweth the Son, but the Father: neither doth any one know the Father, but the Son, and he to whom it shall please the Son to reveal HIM.

"After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: ‘Father, the time has come. Glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON may glorify you.

For you granted him authority over all people THAT HE MIGHT GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN …

this is the difference between Jesus, Son of God, and us, sons of God.

That’s nice, but it doesn’t say he is God.

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

Aquarius:

inJESUS:

If they tell you that the Word is God, and that the Word who is God became flesh, and that John came to prepare for the Word of God who became flesh, and that John came to prepare for Jesus, what do you understand out of this?

Nothing. If an author thinks someone is God they just say, “that guy is God.”

I’m quite happy to stay with John, but do you notice the other three authors telling us Jesus is God?

Many religions think God is in all of us.

 

[tdandh26]

Aquarius,

I think you need to understand the new testament in light of the old.

After the fall God promised to send a savior to crush the head of the serpent. Who is the serpent? Who was He sending? What did He mean by crush the head?

Why did God create us in the first place? The only answer that makes sense with all of scripture is LOVE.
Why did God say "Let us make man in our image?

Why was Jesus born of a virgin?
Why did Jesus split time in two?
Why did sacrefices stop with Jesus?
Why is it that Mohammeds supposed assumption immitates that of Jesus who alone assended?
Why is it that many of the heresies of Christianity which were around in the day of Mohammed are actual teachings of Islam?

All men are subject to sin, if a person were to try and teach something that he didnt have the full truth about, and was intermixed with heresies. It wouldn’t be a stretch to see that once people started to follow him, he would be driven by pride to proclaim himself prophet.

Jesus alone fulfills the prophesies of the old testament and He alone. From His birth to His teachings to His death. All of it was prophesied about. No one else fits the bill, NO ONE.

 

[inJESUS]

Aquarius:

That’s nice, but it doesn’t say he is God.

did you even know what am talking about before replying with an irrelevant comment?