Why does Islam consider Jesus a prophet?

[SAINThoodSEEKER]

inJESUS:

mohammad acknoledged the virgin birth…ask muslims about its implications …they tell you : allah can do whatever he wants

Yes, he acknowledged the virginal birth…and my point was that the Old Testament (which Muslims supposedly acknowledge as well) tells us (in a number of instances) that Emmanuel will be born of a virgin. Muhammed was not…and has never been claimed to have entered the world this way. So, if even Muhammed acknowledges that Christ was born of a virgin, then what does that say about Qu’ranic consistancy?

**“About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they’re just one thing, and we shouldn’t complicate the matter.”

• Saint Jeanne d’Arc**

 

[MariaG]

Rational:

Respected inJesus,
I will wait and see if any Greek-guru takes the trouble to verify the accuracy of John 1:1 (i.e., In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.)

God bless you.

Greek Guru I am not. But I went to a great source This Rock
**The God or a god?

This is a commentary about the Greek of John 1:1. It is mostly to refute JW’s but the greek is still the same!

 

[inJESUS]

In the Qur’an we are told that when Allah wills something he merely says to it “Be” and it is.

So (according to the Qur’an) God said “Be” to a young virgin named Mary and she gave birth to Jesus. In spite of this, the qur’an claim that Jesus was “no more than a messenger”! No man, before or after Jesus was born of a virgin, so can we honestly say that Jesus is “no more than a messenger”?

 

[inJESUS]

Pleaseanswer, Teddybear2000 and Rational joined during the same time, with the same arguments, and got suspended.

Just wondering, did they tackle some banned topic or what?

 

[Booklover]

Joseph_Alison:

inJESUS:

Irrelevant! how come!. Most of what I pointed to has nothing to do with the division between state and church and everything to do with obeying the commands of Jesus.
What the state has to do with dressing modestly?
What the state has to do with alcohol?
What the state has to do with adultery and fornication?
What the state has to do with gambling?
What the state has to do with taking care of the elder parents?
These are very personal things, most of the Christians are either trepassing or not following.

Salaam.
Joseph.

Hello Joseph!

These things have to do with free will, with people choosing not to obey God’s laws. I think you’re exagerating when you claim that most Christians are doing these things!

Is this a double standard? When Muslims do bad things, we’re told that we’re judging Islam by the deeds OF A FEW! And yet when it’s christians doing them it’s MOST CHRISTIANS!

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

inJESUS:

In the Qur’an we are told that when Allah wills something he merely says to it “Be” and it is.

So (according to the Qur’an) God said “Be” to a young virgin named Mary and she gave birth to Jesus. In spite of this, the qur’an claim that Jesus was “no more than a messenger”! No man, before or after Jesus was born of a virgin, so can we honestly say that Jesus is “no more than a messenger”?

Most emphatically “NO”!

Vickie

 

[Joseph_Alison]

MariaG:

Why does Islam consider Jesus a prophet when Jesus Himself claimed to be God?

Where did Jesus himself claim to be God?

**Does Islam not believe that Jesus said this? **

.
No, Muslims do not believe that Jesus claimed to be God.

**If Jesus did say it, how can He be considered anything but a false prophet by Islam? **

Muslims do not consider Jesus to be a false prophet. They consider him as a messenger to the Children of Israel. The NT confirms this.

**What exactly did Jesus say according to Islam? **

What Jesus said can be found in the Holy Qur’an.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[Reuben_J]

Joseph_Alison:

What Jesus said can be found in the Holy Qur’an.

Salaam.
Joseph.

Sorry brother, I couldn’t help taking a shot at this.

The life and the sayings of Jesus was reported in the Bible by people who lived with him literally or by some who at least lived during his time. And his words are not to be found there.

But unexplicably his words are to be found written in a book 600 years later by people who had never seen nor heard him.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

Reuben J:

But unexplicably his words are to be found written in a book 600 years later by people who had never seen nor heard him.

Salaam Brother Reuben;
I would say the same thing about Noah in the Bible and you would probably answer you believe it was inspired by God and so will be my answer about Jesus (PBUH) in the Holy Qur’an.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[inJESUS]

Joseph_Alison:

What Jesus said can be found in the Holy Qur’an.

Salaam.
Joseph.

If what Jesus said is found in the quran, mohammad’s message wouldnt have lasted a day. Why didnt mohammad say Jesus’ teachings about polygamy, killing, eye for eye, sex with slaves, divorce ecc? it is because it is the OPPOSITE of what mohammad said and it would have denied him the satisfaction of his wordly desires…if you claim the same God sent both, you are insulting God and accusing him of schisophrenia.

 

[inJESUS]

Joseph_Alison:

Muslims do not consider Jesus to be a false prophet. They consider him as a messenger to the Children of Israel. The NT confirms this.

Salaam.
Joseph.

the NT confirms Jesus is for mankind.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

inJESUS:

If what Jesus said is found in the quran, mohammad’s message wouldnt have lasted a day. Why didnt mohammad say Jesus’ teachings about polygamy, killing, eye for eye, sex with slaves, divorce ecc? it is because it is the OPPOSITE of what mohammad said and it would have denied him the satisfaction of his wordly desires…if you claim the same God sent both, you are insulting God and accusing him of schisophrenia.

Salaam inJESUS;
The question asked was not about Jesus’ (PBUH) teachings but about his nature.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[inJESUS]

Joseph_Alison:

Salaam inJESUS;
The question asked was not about Jesus’ (PBUH) teachings but about his nature.

Salaam.
Joseph.

Salaam,
if mohammad did not state the truth about his teachings, do you think he will state the truth about his nature? both will refute his prophethood.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

inJESUS:

the NT confirms Jesus is for mankind.

True if you consider that the Children of Israel are all mankind.
MT 15:24 “But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[Booklover]

Joseph_Alison:

True if you consider that the Children of Israel are all mankind.
MT 15:24 “But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”

Salaam.
Joseph.

Salaam, Joseph! You’re using that device again! Anyway, I’m glad you’ve got a good sense of humor! The Jews were his first concern but little by little he started going to preach in Gentile territories.

Matthew 28:16-20

The Commissioning of the Disciples

The eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them. When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted. Then Jesus approached and said to them,"**All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, **baptizing them in the **NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, **teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.

Here not only is he proclaiming that his message is universal, but also making a reference to the Trinity and the apostles worshiped him as God.

Vickie

By the way, in that story of the Canaanite woman you quoted from, he was testing the woman to see how much faith she had. Even though he at first turned her down, she persisted because she had great faith in him, and so he granted her request.

 

[inJESUS]

Booklover:

By the way, in that story of the Canaanite woman you quoted from, he was testing the woman to see how much faith she had. Even though he at first turned her down, she persisted because she had great faith in him, and so he granted her request.

what was his point or where is his quote? i dont find it.

 

[Booklover]

inJESUS:

what was his point or where is his quote? i dont find it.

I believe he was quoting from: Matt.15: 21-28

The Canaanite Woman’s Faith

Then Jesus went from that place and withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. And behold, a Canaanite woman of that district came and called out, “Have pity on me, Lord, Son of David! My daughter is tormented by a demon”. But he did not say a word in answer to her. His disciples came and asked him, “Send her away, for she keeps calling out after us.” He said in reply, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But the woman came in and did him homage saying, “Lord, help me.” He said in reply, “It is not right to take the food of the children and throw it to the dogs.” She said, “Please, Lord, for even the dogs eat the scraps that fall from the table of the masters.” Then Jesus said to her in reply, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you with.” And her daughter was healed from that hour.

Joseph was stating that Jesus came only for the Israelites. Muslims love to use lines like that to prove that Jesus’ message was not universal.

I had just read that part in a wonderful little book I have called “My Meditation on the Gospel” so it was easy to find. The passage right after the scripture reading says:

O Divine Artist, how I admire your work in souls! At first You seemed almost cruel in your three rebuffs to this woman. You ignored her, You refused her and You almost insulted her. Why, Lord, except that You knew her tremendous possibilities–the depth her humility could reach–the darkness which her faith and perseverance could endure. Such virtues could only be perfected in sorrow and pain. You caused the suffering, not for suffering’s sake but to produce a most beautiful and virtuous soul.

Vickie

 

[inJESUS]

the fact that he granted the wish of a non-jew speaks for itself. Anyway your answer was enough to refute such claims.

 

[Fides]

Is Jesus god?

everystudent.com/wires/whodoyousay.html

Aquarius, if your still looking through this thread, please email me

 

[MariaG]

Joseph_Alison:

Where did Jesus himself claim to be God?

Salaam.
Joseph.

Thanks, Joseph for answering! I was afraid the actual topic of this thread would never get answered I never could understand how Jesus could be considered a prophet when he claimed to be God according to the Bible. I can see how He could just be a prophet if you did not believe or know about Jesus’s own words.

As to where Jesus Himself said in the Bible.

Mark 14:60-62; Matt. 26: 63-65; Luke 22:67-70
This scripture from the Bible has Jesus himself calling Himself “I Am” This of course is a declaration of calling Himself God. When Moses was told to go and free God’s people, Moses asked God what His name was and God said “I AM”. This was very clear at the time since after Jesus said this, no more testimony was needed to convict Him.

There is a good article in CA
The Divinity of Christ

It addresses the above scripture as well as other scripture. But of course, you have to believe that the words recorded about Him are actually true. Since you do not believe that the New Testament is the inspired word of God, I can see where your disbelief may stay, but I hope that you can better understand why I believe that Christ is God when I do believe that the New Testament is the inspired word of God.

A follower of Christ,
Maria