Why does one hate the Catholic Church?

[elvisman]

Take a deep breath elvisman! The purpose of the non-Catholic forum is to explore differences. If everyone who wanted to post here had to keep their perceptions of BS to themselves, then the forum would not serve it’s purpose!

Clearly this individual, if he ever did embrace the faith, has fallen from it. It is for such as these that CAF exists. If he is here posting, there must be a reason.

Guan - I usually respect your opinion, but you are out of line here.
It seems that you have not read all of the posts.

I was reponding to post #73 by Ted DC - where he implied that Catholic teaching was “BS”. I took issue with that - as anybody should because it was completely uncharitable and uncalled for.

Now - back to the discussion . . .

 

[elvisman]

Amen dear brother in Christ. I am so glad that Jesus is the head of my life.

That would be nice - IF it were true. Unfortunately, you have shown that Jesus is NOT the head of your life because you only accept him on your terms - not on his.

Your perversion of Scripture is proof of your fruits.

 

[CMatt25]

There Catholics who no longer practice their faith and they hate the Catholic Church. Their hatred is much more harsher than Protestants who have anti-Catholic feelings. I find these “caferia Catholics” to be more demeaning and shouldn’t deserve to be called Catholics. Like Fr. Corapi say, “You cannot be Catholic and support abortion.”

With all due respect for Fr Corapi, should he ask the hierarchy to change the catechism then?

. An indelible spiritual mark . . .

1272 Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark (character) of his belonging to Christ.** No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation. Given once for all, Baptism cannot be repeated**.

1273 Incorporated into the Church by Baptism, the faithful have received the sacramental character that consecrates them for Christian religious worship. The baptismal seal enables and commits Christians to serve God by a vital participation in the holy liturgy of the Church and to exercise their baptismal priesthood by the witness of holy lives and practical charity

 

[CMatt25]

I really don’t know anyone who has said they hated the Catholic church. But I will only speak for myself, I believe the body has many parts and God gave us different purposes for our lives. In my mind as long as you accept Jesus Christ as savior you are Christian and thats all that really matters. I started taking the classes at Our Mother Of Perpetual Help and wanted to continue (I felt like I finally found “Home”) but my husband who was raised plain Mennonite (meaning horse and buggy, no pics, no “worldly things”) was not comfortable with it so I stopped going. I still feel drawn

Dove, I don’t believe you speak only for yourself. May the Lord bless you and keep you drawn to and close to Him always on your journey on whatever path He walks with you on. God bless you!

Jn 20:31 But these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that believing, you may have life in his name.

Acts 11:26 And they conversed there in the church a whole year; and they taught a great multitude, so that at Antioch the disciples were first named Christians.

Rom 12:5 So we being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1Cor 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members; and all the members of the body, whereas they are many, yet are one body, so also is Christ. 14For the body also is not one member, but many. 20But now there are many members indeed, yet one body.

 

[CMatt25]

My Church doesn’t even call itself the “Roman Catholic Church”.

This was a derogatory term used in the time of Henry VIII who used it to define if somebody was from the “Catholic Church” of England or the “Roman” Catholic Church. It was easier for him to murder Catholics that way.

MY Church is called “The Catholic Church” - period.

Elvis, why then does the front of my Certificate of Baptism with my Confirmation and First Communion notations on the back of it say on the front, “According to the Rite of the Roman Catholic Church”? I wasn’t around in Henry’s time. And I had one but this copy is rather recent. I actually just recently requested it incase you needed it.

 

[elvisman]

Elvis, why then does the front of my Certificate of Baptism with my Confirmation and First Communion notations on the back of it say on the front, “According to the Rite of the Roman Catholic Church”? I wasn’t around in Henry’s time. And I had one but this copy is rather recent. I actually just recently requested it incase you needed it.

Search me. * Bad printer?*

NONE of the official titles of the Church says “Roman Catholic”.
We are the LATIN Rite of the Catholic Church - headquartered in Rome.
Don’t believe me? Look it up.

 

[elvisman]

It’s starting to bug me that such a morally bankrupt institution has been offering it’s opinions on moral issues for millenia now.

I’m not a foe of the church but with all of this is starting to turn me into one. I’ve never liked how much the church lobbies in government on moral issues.I understood, though, that this was a church trying to submit to a moral ideal, so I respected it. Now I see that it never had a leg of morality to stand on.

18And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades** will not overcome it.[c]**

Hades won’t need to destroy the church. The Church is turning to Hades.

An immoral institution cannot offer advice on morality. It’s hypocrisy.

Hmmm . . . this coming from a person whose religious system is based in nothing more than moral relativism . . .

 

[CMatt25]

Search me. * Bad* printer?

NONE of the official titles of the Church says “Roman Catholic”.
We are the LATIN Rite of the Catholic Church - headquartered in Rome.
Don’t believe me? Look it up.

Ok I just wondered. The form I have from 25 yrs ago says the same as the recent one. Maybe my hometown parish or diocese have been using forms printed badly for 25 yrs…

 

[schaick]

I’m glad you agree.
**
No - God’s written word does not** sufficiently explain the Hypostatic Union - where Jesus is 100% God and 100% man.
If it did - there never would have been the Nestorian or Arian Heresies.
But, then again - the Protestant Revolt happened despite the written word of God - so anything is possible.

**LOL! Too funny no I don’t I was quoting what you said.

I say, GOD’s Word is completely sufficient!**

There were cults popping up from shortly after Jesus died and rose. There more the likely will be more. Actually there was a Jewish Gnoticism!

The problem is people thinking there is more then one interpretation to GOD’s Word.

Where Trinitarian Christians see unity in the one faith of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and diversity in celebrating that faith, Catholics simply see division and confusion.

Luther had to revolt-look at the horrific things the Catholic Church was teaching.

 

[schaick]

My position was never against the fact that laity took part in it.
**YOUR **argument was that the entire congregation had a hand in choosing Judas’ successor, Matthias.

**A rudimentary study of Scripture proves you *dead ***wrong.

LOL! You have fixated on my use of the word **all **when I simply meant the all to be inclusive of believers and presbyters.

It was not only presbyters/bishops choosing leaders but laity, believers were involved in the choosing.

But you did raise an interesting question were women and children allowed to help choose?

When laity used to help choose in the Catholic Church were women and children allowed?

My Church selects Pastors in a similar way. We put out a call. The different Pastors come and speak, we discuss the canidates pray. Anyone can get up and speak-pointing out that we might need one of the Pastors over another because of a special need of our church. Then all those that are confirmed members vote. I remember on one ocassion many years back when we had to re-vote a few times- too close to call.

 

[schaick]

iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/web/ninetyfive.html

 

[Carlan]

Amen dear brother in Christ. I am so glad that Jesus is the head of my life.

Yes, and aren’t we all who visit these forums? However, to truly live and witness to that love we have for Him, means more than simply saying it. We must study and learn what our Apostolic Church reveals to us and pray for the faith and wisdom to accept without question, Jesus’ revelation, fully , completely, obedience to Him alone through his one Apostolic Church. We do not mix up all the interpretations of his Truth and call it one big happy and fuzzy feeling family living in unity to gether, that at the moment is still far from happening. We continue to pray for unity daily.God bless , Carlan

 

[Roblox84]

After reading through many posts on this thread it seems as though a lot of people actually don’t disagree with the “Catholic Church” but disagree with everything a Church teaches. People mention that because of the bible they are saved and the bible is God. It’s kind of sad when someone puts the bible above Christ and his Church. And could someone point out to me in the bible where is say’s that we need the bible to be saved?

 

[Carlan]

Thinking further about it , if it is true that the CC is hated.

The Church believes it has the full Truth and we claim it in no uncertain terms. The hate question , may stem from the fact that no one likes to hear that they do not possess the fullness of what is to be believed. That they could possibly fall short of what is true. Some cannot accept the possibility that their faith has less than the completeness of Jesus’ revelation. So they refuse to even consider what we say is truth and dismiss us as nothing. Light, Truth and peace. Carlan

 

[Roblox84]

Thinking further about it , if it is true that the CC is hated.

The Church believes it has the full Truth and we claim it in no uncertain terms. The hate question , may stem from the fact that no one likes to hear that they do not possess the fullness of what is to be believed. That they could possibly fall short of what is true. Some cannot accept the possibility that their faith has less than the completeness of Jesus’ revelation. So they refuse to even consider what we say is truth and dismiss us as nothing. Light, Truth and peace. Carlan

I have wondered why to people have a hard time even admitting that God put an authority on earth. Even if a protestant would agree to the Catholic Church being the authority, that wouldn’t mean he would have to stop being a protestant and become Catholic. He would def. still prefer his liturgical services over the Catholic mass and would still rather have long sermons instead of the Eucharist, newer music, etc… So what is the problem if not authority?

I also don’t think they care that they don’t have the fullness of the truth because those people don’t really want to do anything “extra” for Christ and like I said before, they just prefer their services over the Catholic mass. If Catholic mass became like a protestant mass with the whole thing being a bible interpreting session, then even protestants would attend. So the difference is the appearance of the mass.

 

[tweetymom]

Yes, and aren’t we all who visit these forums? However, to truly live and witness to that love we have for Him, means more than simply saying it. We must study and learn what our Apostolic Church reveals to us and pray for the faith and wisdom to accept without question, Jesus’ revelation, fully , completely, obedience to Him alone through his one Apostolic Church. We do not mix up all the interpretations of his Truth and call it one big happy and fuzzy feeling family living in unity to gether, that at the moment is still far from happening. We continue to pray for unity daily.God bless , Carlan

I sure am glad I am not mixed up, aren’t you?

 

[elvisman]

LOL! You have fixated on my use of the word **all **when I simply meant the all to be inclusive of believers and presbyters.

WOW!
That’s interesting that you should describe this inclusive way of speaking.
Kind of like the way Paul speaks inclusively of all when he says that there is “none righteous - not one. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:10, 23).
This is the verse you guys usually use to refute Mary’s sinlessness.

Boy - you sound more and more Catholic every day . . .

 

[elvisman]

LOL! Too funny no I don’t I was quoting what you said.

I say, GOD’s Word is completely sufficient!

There were cults popping up from shortly after Jesus died and rose. There more the likely will be more. Actually there was a Jewish Gnoticism!

The problem is people thinking there is more then one interpretation to GOD’s Word.

Where Trinitarian Christians see unity in the one faith of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and diversity in celebrating that faith, Catholics simply see division and confusion.

Luther had to revolt-look at the horrific things the Catholic Church was teaching.

You’re absolutely right:
**God’s word IS completely sufficient. But his word is not limited in the written form - as you think it is. ****The word of God includes Sacred Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15, 2 Thess. 3:6, 2 Tim. 2:2, 1 Tim. 3:15, 2 Tim. 12:14, 1 Cor. 11:2).
**
Oh - by the way - Catholics were the very FIRST Trinitarian Christians.
Ummm . . . remember - WE came up with the term, “Holy Trinity” - and the doctrine.

Oh, I almost forgot, ummm . . . "LOL".

 

[Protestant101]

Thinking further about it , if it is true that the CC is hated.

The Church believes it has the full Truth and we claim it in no uncertain terms. The hate question , may stem from the fact that no one likes to hear that they do not possess the fullness of what is to be believed. That they could possibly fall short of what is true. Some cannot accept the possibility that their faith has less than the completeness of Jesus’ revelation. So they refuse to even consider what we say is truth and dismiss us as nothing. Light, Truth and peace. Carlan

But what you are refusing to see is how that almost any old backyard religion these days also makes this same claim to “fullness of truth.” Whatever that is.

 

[Vile_Servant]

I say, GOD’s Word is completely sufficient!

The problem is people thinking there is more then one interpretation to GOD’s Word.

Exactly. The fallacy of believing that God’s Word is completely sufficient gives rise to more than one interpretation to God’s Word. Using sola scriptura, no less!

Lutherans and Reformed Churches both believe that God’s Word is completely sufficient. They both use sola scriptura.

What happens? Reformed Churches firmly believe in OSAS while Lutherans firmly reject OSAS. So much for consensus on the most important affair of eternal salvation.

Luther’s revolt has to be thanked for such a horrific state of theological contradiction and confusion in the sola scripturist Protestant world.