Why Don’t Fundamentalists Call Mary “Blessed”?

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Cindy, please do yourself a favor. Go back and read post #32. I clearly acknowledge that Mary was blessed.

As for my fate when I die, I trust in Paul’s words, not your “common sense”:

Romans 5: 1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.
 
With all respect CindyGia, I think you are reading something into the OT that simply is not there — smile and holy kiss.

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So, to answer your question, we protestants pride ourselves on doeing exegesis, getting out of the text what is there, and run from exegisis that is reading into the text — except acourse when reading into the text supports our traditions that is.

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Daniel
 
27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
28He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”


Actually this verse of scripture used by some protestants to show Jesus rebuking Mary when that is not the case at all.

The second verse is the key, did Mary hear the words of God and obey?

38: And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

In fact it doesn’t hold water on other grounds as well. Jesus publicly rebuking and humiliating his mother? That breaks the commandment of “Honor they father and thy mother.” And we know for a fact that Jesus never sinned.

Likewise the verse used at the wedding of Cana. Jesus is showing disrespect for his mother? Or is it being understood anacronistically? Projecting onto scripture preconcieved notions, instead of drawing out of scripture, only hampers. That is searching through the bible to confirm pre-existing beliefs, not drawing out of scripture to enrich our lives and listen to all God has to tell us.

Mary does make a prophetic statement:

All generations will call me blessed

Not all people will call her blessed, but all generations. So the question is who has called her blessed throughout the generations?

Being adopted into Christs family I could show no less respect for his mother than I could for his Father or for Christ Himself. When we were adopted into his family, she became our mother just as He became our brother and God became our Father. Honor thy Father and they Mother

Why is so much disrespect shown for her in other circles? Do they hate or fear us that much that they would attack the Mother of Christ? Are they then truly part of Christs family?

In most cases Paul is shown more reverence for his writings than Mary is for bringing Christ into the world. And Paul killed Christians before his conversion. Mary was with him from beginning to end and beyond through pentacost.

It has also been said by some that she didn’t know he was God. It’s a fairly good bet, from her knowledge of scripture, she knew what Emmanuel meant.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
Daniel Marsh:
With all respect CindyGia, I think you are reading something into the OT that simply is not there — smile and holy kiss.

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So, to answer your question, we protestants pride ourselves on doeing exegesis, getting out of the text what is there, and run from exegisis that is reading into the text — except acourse when reading into the text supports our traditions that is.

agape
Daniel
So are you saying that the OT is not in fact a blueprint for the NT, or do you just pick and choose what you like to hear? How is it simply not there? Do you accept any of the types of the OT? If so, why do you choose to see some and ignore others?
 
Nicene:

I think you hit the nail on the head. Jesus was NOT being disrespectful to his mother or rebuking her at all. Rather, he was correcting the woman who cried out “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”

The statement from the crowd suggests that Mary was blessed because she gave birth and nursed Jesus. Jesus gives us the real reason: Mary was blessed because she heard the word of God and kept it (Luke 1:38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May it be to me as you have said.” Then the angel left her.")

Jesus could just as well have said: “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it, like my mother.” That is no rebuke at all. It is an explanation, however, of why Mary was blessed.
 
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RonWI:
Jesus could just as well have said: “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it, like my mother.” That is no rebuke at all. It is an explanation, however, of why Mary was blessed.
That is a good point, and true.

Perhaps there is more to this, though. The Jews had already shown an obstinate attachment to claiming blessings based on being children of Abraham without actually imitating Abraham.

Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father.

John 8:39 They answered, and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus saith to them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham.

So He focused on correcting their errant perspective once again, and was unable to make known the secret of Mary’s blessedness for their lack of faith. After all, if they don’t believe He is the Son of God, what use is it to honor His mother? What use to honor her as they “honor” Abraham and the prophets, whom they did not even listen to?

Was He not also limited at other times by lack of faith?

Mark 6:5 And he could not do any miracles there, only that he cured a few that were sick, laying his hands upon them. 6 And he wondered because of their unbelief, and he went through the villages round about teaching.

And since it redounds upon Himself, perhaps He was also being humble by changing the focus of the praise. And He may very well have been preserving her humility also, confirming her in that virtue while she was still alive.

He did praise John the Baptist, but notice it was when he wasn’t there:

Luke 7:24 And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak to the multitudes concerning John. … 26 But what went you out to see? a prophet? Yea, I say to you, and more than a prophet. 27 This is he of whom it is written: Behold I send my angel before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee. 28 For I say to you: Amongst those that are born of women, there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist. But he that is the lesser in the kingdom of God, is greater than he. 29 And all the people hearing, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with John’s baptism.

It was also during a time when people were called to go to John.

Nowadays, we are called to go to the Church, and to Mary, in order to find the life that is in Jesus.

At another time, Jesus redirected their attention regarding being the Son of God.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, maketh thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said you are gods? 35 If he called them gods, to whom to word of God was spoken, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Do you say of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said, I am the Son of God?

DRV Psalms 81:6 I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High.

He basically defends His assertion by saying we are all gods, all sons of God.

Why does He not come out more boldly about being the Messiah, being God, revealing the Trinity explicitly, explaining the parables to all, etc.?

Luke 8:10 To whom he said: To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to the rest in parables, that seeing they may not see, and hearing may not understand.

Deuteronomy 29:4 And the Lord hath not given you a heart to understand, and eyes to see, and ears that may hear, unto this present day.

It is because they are not ready for it.

You could perhaps make a case that He should have at least revealed it to His disciples. And I say that He did, for the Church has made known that it is part of the divine revelation that we must believe, though that is not explicit in the NT.

hurst
 
So He focused on correcting their errant perspective once again, and was unable to make known the secret of Mary’s blessedness for their lack of faith. After all, if they don’t believe He is the Son of God, what use is it to honor His mother?
But this is not consistent with the passage in Luke. To the contrary, the facts appear to be just the opposite. The woman declared “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you” in the middle of Jesus’ sermon. Given this scene, I do not see how you conclude:
  1. She lacked faith in Jesus, and
  2. Jesus needed to hide the fact that Mary was blessed from the woman who just screamed out that… Mary was blessed.
I read Luke 11:28 for what it says in plain language: Those who hear the word of God and keep it are blessed. We know from Luke 1 that Mary heard the word of God from the angel and kept it. Therefore, she was blessed.
 
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Dan-Man916:
because it sounds too Catholic.

I’m not kidding when I say this.
It is out of an anti-Catholic bias.
Right On!!!

I just happened to see this thread just now for the first time. And my initial reaction (because my wife works as an employee at a Methodist church they wanted a Catholic or somebody who would not get involved in their politics ], was… [drum roll please]… because …

…" it sounds too Catholic".

Then I saw your post and by golly you beat me to it.

But that’s the reason for a lot of protestant worship service practices…the avoidance of anything that ‘MIGHT’ be too Catholic!!!

Ya gotta love it!!!
 
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CindyGia:
ALSO, TAKE NOTE HOW DAVID SAYS EXACTLY THE SAME IN SCRIPTURE AS ELIZABETH SAID OF MARY DURING THE “VISITATION”.

ELIZABETH SAID “HOW IS IT THAT THE MOTHER OF MY LORD SHOULD COME TO ME?”
AND NOTICE HOW THE ARK STAYED IN THE HOUSE OF O’BED FOR THREE MONTHS AND BROUGH MANY BLESSINGS TO THAT HOUSEHOLD!

JUST AS MARY STAYED WITH ELIZABETH FOR THREE MONTHS UNTIL THE DELIVERY OF ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST AND ST. JOACHIM IS ABLE TO SPEAK AGAIN!

(Edited for charity) Don’t you realize that it was Mary Who taught the Apostles many things after Jesus had ascended into Heaven. Yes, the Holy Spirit came upon them, but it was also Mary Who instructed them and helped them form the Church. The Apostles needed and loved Mary as their own Mother! Just as we NEED AND SHOULD LOVE MARY AS OUR OWN MOTHER! It’s simple common sense!

JUST REMEMBER THIS YOU PROTESTANTS! IF IT HADN’T BEEN FOR MARY AND HER FIAT/“YES” TO GOD- THERE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN SALVATION FOR ANY OF US! PONDER THAT YOU-YOU… (Edited for charity)
Whoooooaaaa there (Edited for charity) straight ahead!!! 😉

First, take a breath and calm down… I truly believe that God is all powerfull and mighty that if Mary had chosen to say ‘No’ then He would have had another ‘Mary’ to ask. We still would have salvation because salvation does not come from Mary but from Jesus… or don’t you believe this? Jesus says… “I AM the way, the Truth, and the light. No man comes to the Father except THROUGH ME.” Not through Mary but through Christ Himself. God is powerful enough to have chosen another vessel to this earth if He had wanted to. Heck, He could have just shown up as an adult if He wanted to.

And what is with this anger? I just want to draw other catholics to this person’s posts on this thread to say ‘See, we deal with stuff like this too.’ 🙂 This is not righteous anger but a deep seeded chip on the shoulder that I think you need to deal with my friend. If you hate those who love God it will affect your relationship with Him.

CindyGia said:
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Oh my goodness!!! I don’t know if you can see this but I am straightening my hair and making sure I am presentable… (Edited for charity) Who says we hate Mary or don’t acknowledge her in the story of Jesus? I am wonderfully amazed by her courage and faith and know that she laid down everything she knew to trust that God was doing what was right. OF COURSE all generations are going to call her blessed among women! She was chosen BY GOD to carry His son… Geez, if I thought I was worthy of this privilage I would give my right arm to be in her sandals. I can admit it… I am a bit envious of Mary. She was chosen to do a wonderful thing for God by God Himself. But I am not going to put her anywhere beyond that because I believe that that is elevating her above where God intends her to be.

I am sooooooooooooooo glad you are not in charge of deciding where I end up in eternity… Hey, when we get there just know that I have a BIG hug waiting for ya! 😉
 
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IanS:
Thanks for your perspective. I find it refreshing. So at exactly what point would you consider it to be, “TOO much on her that God never intended to have attached to her”?
When in scripture does it say that Mary was born without sin? Where in scripture does it claim that she never had sex or other children? Where in scripture (or anywhere else for that matter spoken by Jesus) does it say that Mary will command of God and He will listen and obey(leaving this in the present tense and not for while He was here on earth)? All of these things I have heard catholics claim. In the bible does it not claim that Jesus was talking to a group of people and someone told Him that His Mother and brothers were waiting outside to speak with Him… What did He then say? “Who is my Mother? Who are my Brothers? These are my Mother and brothers.” (paraphrasing of course.) All the while pointing to the disciples. I don’t see this as dis-honoring her in any way but rather He was saying that she is just as important as anyone else but not more. If Jesus didn’t put her above the rest why do we?
 
First, take a breath and calm down… I truly believe that God is all powerfull and mighty that if Mary had chosen to say ‘No’ then He would have had another ‘Mary’ to ask.
Can you show this biblically or is this a “tradition” of your faith? I would suggest it is a tradition because I hear it often repeated. Where did this tradition originate? (documented sources).
We still would have salvation because salvation does not come from Mary but from Jesus… or don’t you believe this? Jesus says… “I AM the way, the Truth, and the light. No man comes to the Father except THROUGH ME.” Not through Mary but through Christ Himself.
Speculation two is based off of speculation one. Without Mary’s Fiat would there have been a salvation for us? Can you show this biblically? Or is this another tradition? Or did God know something you don’t? No Mary, no Jesus, unless you can show this biblically.

No doubt and we all agree that Jesus is the way the truth and the life and no one does come to the Father but through him, however to know Mary is to know Christ.

Who are the only 2 people in the NT to perfectly submit to the will of the Father? It occurs 3 times.
God is powerful enough to have chosen another vessel to this earth if He had wanted to. Heck, He could have just shown up as an adult if He wanted to.
This is definately where we differ. Had God shown up as an adult (another tradition found nowhere until recently) it would have made the prophets wrong and Gods word errant, Isaiah for example.

Secondly while there are those who go overboard on Mary, there are also those who go underboard, not recognizing what she did through absolute faith and trust in God in a time when according to Jesus faith was absent, true worship of God had all but disappeared becoming a function more than anything, praising with their lips but not their heart. Mary was a vessel? An incubator? A Test Tube? Any old girl would have done? This diminishes Mary.

Mary was graced before her birth by God taking an active hand:

The Greek word used by the angel is Kecharitomene. The root of this word is Charis, meaning Grace. The prefix Ke means that the grace was already completely present before the angel appeared. The suffix mene means that Mary was the recipient of this grace. It is the PERFECT PASSIVE PARTICIPLE of the Greek word “to grace”
This is what all this means:

5778 Tense - Perfect

The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in
English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been
completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be
repeated.

Kecharitomene. is only used one time to describe one person in the entire bible. Do you think God chose for Luke to use that word by mistake or on the fly? Or did He did it on purpose?

Yet Mary never lost her free will. Do you believe that God chose certain people, predestined them, because he knew what their response would be, or is God not capable of this? Mary also does not say my voice magnifies the Lord, she says My soul magnifies the Lord.

Exalting Mary above hyperdulia is wrong, yet diminishing her to a mere incubator no better than a test tube is equally as wrong. After all God chose her not only to bear the Christ, but most people forget she also raised him. If we are to honor our parents how can Mary be dishonored as being taught as nothing more than a heifer.

The simple fact is God did not choose any of us to be the parents of Jesus, apparently we didn’t have what it takes in His eyes for that responsibility.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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RonWI:
But this is not consistent with the passage in Luke. To the contrary, the facts appear to be just the opposite. The woman declared “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you” in the middle of Jesus’ sermon. Given this scene, I do not see how you conclude:
  1. She lacked faith in Jesus, and
  2. Jesus needed to hide the fact that Mary was blessed from the woman who just screamed out that… Mary was blessed.
I did not conclude that regarding only the lady. He gave His answer to the crowd of people publicly, not the lady individually. It is the crowd of Jews in general that my statements applied, as I showed you by various Scripture passages.
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RonWI:
I read Luke 11:28 for what it says in plain language: Those who hear the word of God and keep it are blessed. We know from Luke 1 that Mary heard the word of God from the angel and kept it. Therefore, she was blessed.
No disagreement there. In fact, she had kept the Word even prior to that, for she knew the history of her people and the promise of the Redeemer, and watched for it.

Luke 1:46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 49 Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him. 51 He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. 54 He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: 55 As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.

hurst
 
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CindyGia,

With all due respect the church does not teach this. Mary is our mother and the greatest of the saints because of her complete submission to Gods will. She accepts the awesome responsibility humbly “I am the handmaid of the Lord.” as a servant to His divine will, trusting that He is making the right decisions.

When Singinbeauty says:
This is not righteous anger but a deep seeded chip on the shoulder that I think you need to deal with my friend. If you hate those who love God it will affect your relationship with Him.
she isn’t far wrong. RonWI is a good example of those protestants who don’t bash Mary, so why lump all protestants together? There certainly are those who diminish her and take cheap shots at her, and those who outright hate her just because it’s the opposite of being catholic and it’s a good bet Christ isn’t too pleased with it. But there are those protestants who do not and actually have a deep affection for Mary. From the above statement it appears you are bordering on latrian worship of Mary, which is strictly forbidden by the church.

Singinbeauty above states that she envies Mary, but we shouldn’t, not in the slightest. That is what makes Mary different from the rest of us. If she carried vices would God have asked her to be the mother of Christ?

You catch more flies with a teaspoon of honey than 100 barrels of vinegar (anyone know what Saint said that? 👍 ) Not every protestant is out to get Mary. We are called to act as the all the saints did who followed Christs example, especially Mary. I don’t see Mary making that diatribe above, not even at the foot of the cross.

Singinbeauty:
I don’t see this as dis-honoring her in any way but rather He was saying that she is just as important as anyone else but not more. If Jesus didn’t put her above the rest why do we?
Actually this is incorrect, he is using his mother as an example of a person who hears the will of God and does it without question, complete submission. She is actually more important than any one of us. She believed without hearing a word Christ said and accepted without seeing. Pure faith. How many of us had to hear or see first? That would be everyone else. She understands the gravity of what is being asked and is the first to call herself a servant: handmaid. unlike the rest of us who had to hear it from Christ first:
  • "And he said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. But not so with you; rather let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader as one who serves. For which is the greater, one who sits at table, or one who serves? Is it not the one who sits at table? But I am among you as one who serves.*
In biblical Judaism to be adopted into a family is to actually become the blood of that family. You are no different than if you were actually born into it. So God does indeed become our true Father, and Mary does become our true Mother, just as Christ is our true brother, most significantly spiritually. This is why honor thy father and thy mother is so important in the context of our spiritual family.

Think of it this way. If you see a protestant bashing Mary and a catholic defending Mary, which would come under honoring your mother, joining which side (regardless of affiliation). Is keeping silent an option if we wish to honor her?

RonWI:

good job leading by example.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
Singinbeauty:
Ok, it would take volumes to fully explain all that you just threw at me. I get the feeling that you are wanting me to explain every Marian Doctrine to you as a protestant in a protestant manner (sola scriptura) that will make total sense to you in a couple of sentences. Well, that is impossible if you don’t understand many other things about the Catholic faith. Therefore, all I can do is explain it as best I can on this silly little thread. If you accept it, great! If not, then I must shake the dust from my feet and move on. If you are looking for things that are written verbatim in the Bible, you won’t find it, just like you won’t find a verbatim explanation of the Trinity in the Bible.
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Singinbeauty:
When in scripture does it say that Mary was born without sin?
It doesn’t surprise me that you went straight for this one:

*Gen3:15: I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." *

God is speaking to Satan after Adam and Eve gave into his temptation. It is the woman’s offspring that will defeat Satan. Notice how God used HER seed, because no seed of a man will be involved. This is the only time this is used in scripture. The opposition between the woman and Satan is the same as between Jesus and Satan. This enmity is total; the devil never snared Jesus in sin as he did Adam and Eve. Therefore, the woman (Mary) would also never be snared by sin because she too is at total odds with the devil. This woman cannot be Eve because she gave in to Satan and turned from God. Plus, Eve did not give birth to Jesus, Mary did.
Luke 1:28
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.*

The angel is indicating that she is “full of grace”. This is not possible if she were to have any sin. Notice that he does not call her “Mary” in any translation, but renames her to show just how exceptional she is. Just like when Jesus renamed St. Peter, “Rock”.
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Singinbeauty:
Where in scripture does it claim that she never had sex or other children?
Where does it say that she did? Please remember, your personal modern day belief of what a “brother” or “sister” or a “virgin” is, is far different that that of the writers of the NT or the first Christians. Why do find it so hard to believe that she could actually manage to go her whole life without “gittin’ some”, when there are thousands of nuns who lived their entire lives as consecrated virgins? Are they more holy than the Blessed Mother?
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Singinbeauty:
Where in scripture (or anywhere else for that matter spoken by Jesus) does it say that Mary will command of God and He will listen and obey(leaving this in the present tense and not for while He was here on earth)?
I certainly hope you don’t actually believe the Church teaches that. Anyone who claims that is in heresy and should be corrected.
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Singinbeauty:
All of these things I have heard catholics claim. In the bible does it not claim that Jesus was talking to a group of people and someone told Him that His Mother and brothers were waiting outside to speak with Him… What did He then say? “Who is my Mother? Who are my Brothers? These are my Mother and brothers.” (paraphrasing of course.) All the while pointing to the disciples. I don’t see this as dis-honoring her in any way but rather He was saying that she is just as important as anyone else but not more. If Jesus didn’t put her above the rest why do we?
I assume you are talking about Luke 11:27-28 and Matthew 12:46-50.

In these passages Jesus is not addressing the question of what honor we should Mary. Instead, He is correcting the popular mentality that bloodline alone makes us pleasing to God. Jesus is teaching that faith is more important than biological relationship to which Mary would have fully agreed.

This is what the church has taught for 2000 years regardless of what modern day sola scriptura has decided to make of it.

Let me ask you this. You DO believe in private interpretation of the Bible, don’t you? That a person could read scripture and be personally lead by the Holy Spirit to understand it. If that is the case, can you declare the Church WRONG! Just because your own private interpretation doesn’t agree with the Catholic Church? Furthermore, how can you declare me WRONG! Just because my private interpretation just happens to be the same as the Catholic Churches‘?

Whew! My fingers hurt.
 
I have been dealing with this issue, both in a very personal way, and in a family dispute and as I have just recently posted on another thread, I am going to repeat here.

As a life long Evangelical, I was responsible for harboring and participating in anti-catholic and anti-Marian feelings. You are just “bred” to feel this animosity to all things Marian to the point of fear of mentioning Mary outside of Christmas time.

But I have come to understand, just recently really, that devotion to Mary comes from genuine LOVE for her. And who do you think Christ honors more, those who LOVE his mother, or those who avoid her at all costs, and even have feelings going as far as resentment at the mention of her name?

I believe if we chose to LOVE as He LOVES, we cannot go wrong. If we have the heart of Christ, we will LOVE all He loves, as He loves. It really is that simple.

The more Protestants (including Evangelical…) attack and disparage Mary, the more those who LOVE her will come to her defense, and in the end, will LOVE and HONOR her more whole heartedly than before. I don’t think our Lord will have a problem with that.

Each day I can see a more genuine love in my life for the SAINTS of the Church, which includes The Blessed Mother, as we are supposed to love them, they are a part of our very being, as we are all ONE BODY.

Doesn’t it say in Scriptures, “see how they love one another”? The world doesn’t see that now, do they. They haven’t seen that for 500 years. That is why they no longer believe.

If we are One, as the Father and the Son are One, then the world will know that the Son has sent us. This is the saddest part of all. No LOVE, no ONENESS, no WITNESS.
 
Exodus 25:22
There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the Testimony, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.

Numbers 7:89
When Moses entered the Tent of Meeting to speak with the LORD, he heard the voice speaking to him from between the two cherubim above the atonement cover on the ark of the Testimony. And he spoke with him.

1 Samuel 4:4
So the people sent men to Shiloh, and they brought back the ark of the covenant of the LORD Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim. And Eli’s two sons, Hophni and Phinehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God.

2 Samuel 6:2
He and all his men set out from Baalah of Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the Name, the name of the LORD Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim that are on the ark.

1 Kings 8:6
The priests then brought the ark of the LORD’s covenant to its place in the inner sanctuary of the temple, the Most Holy Place, and put it beneath the wings of the cherubim.

1 Chronicles 13:6
David and all the Israelites with him went to Baalah of Judah (Kiriath Jearim) to bring up from there the ark of God the LORD, who is enthroned between the cherubim—the ark that is called by the Name.

2 Chronicles 5:7
The priests then brought the ark of the LORD’s covenant to its place in the inner sanctuary of the temple, the Most Holy Place, and put it beneath the wings of the cherubim.

Hebrews 9:5
Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.

God is not located inside the Ark, in fact God is shown to be located above the Ark thus claiming Mary as the Ark of God does not work typology wise.

You are just reading something into scripture that is not there.

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I imagine a heretic going to St. Peter’s gate at the time of his death, and Jesus asks him how he lived his life. And the heretic says “well, I attended a fun mega-church and I smashed a few statues of your mother.”

Charming.
 
I wanted extend my sincerest thanks to Nicene, Hurst, IanS, and JeanetteL for so eloquently defending The Blessed Mother in my place. Since I can only jump on the system from work (I don’t have a home computer), I find that in dealing with Protestants from work in a hasty manner, and in defense of Mary, becomes extremely frustrating for me. I am not one “yet” to calmly interact with opposing faiths. I become angry - but I am praying on it and receiving Communion daily. I’m sure in time, God will give me the grace to be able to deal with Protestants, and other opposing religions concerning Mary, and this Holy Catholic Church with patience, virtue, and wisdom.

I was Protestant my whole life until converting two years ago, and I was once in their shoes despising Mary! Shortly before becoming Catholic, I allowed myself to open up to the Holy Spirit and to the love of Mary for Her children, and I was inundated with Mary’s grace. From that point forward, I have been a fierce defender of Mary and will be the rest of my life! Mary had also, through Her intercession, brought about two miracles in my life - and I will be forever thankful to Her. It wasn’t until I said my first Rosary that within days, miracles began to manifest in my life!

I picked up a few wonderful books last night at the library (“All Generations Will Call Me Blessed,” “Mary, Through the Centuries” and “Hail Holy Queen”) and in briefly scoping out “All Generations Will Call Me Blessed” I noticed this morning that either “IanS” or “Nicene” related some explanations regarding Jesus’ words in the Gospel of Mark “Who are my mother and my brothers? Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother”. Protestants tend to take these words from our Lord to suggest that Jesus had no affection or respect for his mother. The writer says that “Mark’s account of this encounter between Jesus and his family is to define the eschatological family, not to exclude the physical family.”

Jesus upholds respect for parents: "Honor your father and your mother’; and "Anyone who curses father or mother must be put to death’ (Mark 7:10). The writer goes on to say this:

“What better visual image could he, Mark use than to describe a scene where the natural family is outside the circle, on the fringe of the crowd, and the disciples are in the inner circle listening to Jesus. The conclusion that Mark wants his reader to draw from this graphic lesson on discipleship is not that Mary and the relatives remained on the outside but that the natural bonds of family are not themselves sufficient for discipleship.”

I also wanted to add another excerpt from this good book. Since everything that seems to come from my own thoughts usually winds up sounding sarcastic, I’ll just quote here again. This is regarding Mary’s “Fiat” to God"

“Let it be done unto me according to thy word.” “This well-known response of Mary can be interpreted as meaning that Mary was merely passive and resigned. Far from being passively resigned, however, she was actively engaged in entering into a partnership with God. As John McHugh points out, the correct translation of “let it be done unto me” is a cry of joy, “O may it be so for me, according to thy word.” Mary yearned to see God’s plan fulfilled. Oh yes, let the Holy Spirit come, is her answer to the angel. She was not just a passive recipient of the divine plan. She was AN ACTIVE, INTELLIGENT, AND COURAGEOUS COLLABORATOR WITH GOD.” (All Generations Will Call me Blessed, byJim McManus, C.Ss.R.

Once again, I know that I am not defeated in my defense of Mary. With the help of these fine books, I will be able to defend Mary even more so, and hopefully soon, through Holy Communion and the Mass, with a little more respect to the opposition, filled with wisdom, grace, and charity.

God Bless you all and HAIL MARY, FULL OF GRACE!
 
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I imagine a heretic going to St. Peter’s gate at the time of his death, and Jesus asks him how he lived his life. And the heretic says “well, I attended a fun mega-church and I smashed a few statues of your mother.”

Charming.
You are just being rude, no one is saying that us protestants should go to your churches to do property damage.

But, then Daniel the prophet is known for smashing idols. 🙂
So, I can see where the fundamentalist mindset of doing so, could come from.
 
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