Why evolution doesnt matter.

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I believe this is partialy true, and I understand where you are going with this. I assert this is due to us not understanding the scriptures in the first place. In all honesty we had, until recently no information about the time the scriptures were written it. We did not have the great tools that we have now, to do the proper exegesis. Even if evolution did not occur, it would have become painfully obvious that we were interpreting the scriptures far more literally then the sacred author ever intended. It is very obvious today that the book of Genesis is exclusively mythical work that conveys theological truth, with only kernels of historical truth. Genesis tells us not about the natural world (save for the fact that the universe had a beginning), or how life develops, it tells us about God and it tells us about ourselves, and how we relate to Him – that is what revelation is about anyways.
RIght. “Mythical” as in “non-historical” does NOT mean “untrue”. If Genesis is true, ultimately, I think the term “creation hymn” probably would the best characterization I’ve heard of it. What a waste it would be for the writer of Genesis to write it as an history, rather than a creative myth that captures the imagination and establishes the sovereignty of YHWH in a theological sense.
I have for very long time, rejected the propagandistic notion, that atheists automatically warrant eternal fire. This is not theology, this is obvious propaganda – there is no theological reason, for an atheist, who is ignorant of the truths of God, through no fault of his own, to merit hell. As far as Christian theology is concerned, they are in the same boat as Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and everyone else under the sun. They will be given enough grace, and they will be called to seek goodness, and purify themselves of iniquity and error. An atheist who truly has very strong intellectual difficulties is no different, as far as I am concerned, in the eyes of God, then a Jew who has immense theological difficulties. Theologically speaking, they will be judged on their culpability, and response to the call and desire that every man has, for goodness.
OK, I can appreciate that. A Christian friend comforts himself by thinking I’m something like the “soldier of Tash” in Lewis’ The Last Battle. That’s a flattering sentiment to receive from a friend, but I think the problem is far more serious than that in my case, and in the case of many atheists. The primary challenge, of course, is the thoroughly godless appearance and behavior of the universe. Believing God exists is the first and biggest problem. But even if I’m to find out I’m wrong, and the Christian God does exist, it’s a worse problem, if a secondary one, because then I’m bound by my moral conscience to object to him, and curse him outright for infusing the universe with his evil despotism. Yes, acts of love, too, but done in the context of tyranny, an enslaving relationship.

I think that second part would be a significant problem - moral outrage at God’s actions and principles over the universe and man, if the Christian model is roughly right. I certain would not want to suffer eternal torment, but given the Christian options, I’m not sure what other choice obtains. God would have to remove my conscience for me to assent, which I guess is possible for an omnipotent god, but does seem contrary to Christian understandings of God.
Sorry for a bit of the rant, but it hits a nerve when people take theology and morph it to their own whims.
I’m aware that God may have more universalist and merciful tendencies than is commonly thought, more justice than is sometimes attributed to him. But like I said, I’m apparently the worst case scenario. I can’t find a way to support belief he even exists in the first place. But if he does, it would be a better universe if it were godless, and God will know this is my sober moral conviction about him, if he somehow is real. That I think will be a problem for me, if so.
Well we seem to be able to agree on many things, and I wish to add another one. The Church is fully aware at the limitations of Thomism in our modern world. Now as a very devout Thomist, I will argue to the death, that what he said is completely true in valid, (We have already crossed swords on this) but this can only go so far. As it doesn’t really matter so much that it is true, it really matters if it is going to serve as compelling arguments. There is a big problem with Thomistic metaphysics, and I think you made it quite clear in our last skirmish over this – the language that is used is very broad and archaic.
OK, I appreciate that assessment. Thomism seems to be resurgent in some areas, at least judging by some of my philosophy-loving Catholic friends, albeit under the auspices of “neo-Thomism”. But the same basic problem seems to obtain in neo-Thomism as did in its classic counterpart. It wasn’t just vague language, but the amorphous, equivocal concepts that served as the basic grounding in that discourse. More on that anon, I suppose.

-TS
 
I think you described them as “old men that scratched their beards thinking up strange things”. Now although I disagree with the notion that their metaphysic is false, I know where you are coming from. They are very abstract, and very general, and they seem to lack the mathematical precision that we are so accustomed to.
I think you do understand the nature of my objections, but “mathematical” seems too strict. Really, I’d be satisfied with “coherent”. If that sounds too general, and overly harsh, consider a dialog where I ask about the concept of “essence” in Thomist metaphysics (a conversation I’ve pursued a hundred times if I’ve pursued it once). Just pushing on that concept is a short route to manifest incoherence on the part of Thomists, and look at what that concept underwrites in their metaphysic.

Thomists will reply in kind, and push on my concept of matter, energy or exist, and I of course appeal to empirical understanding, a positivist, descriptive semantics. That’s unsatisfying for the Thomist for obvious reasons, but it is manifestly coherent conceptually. Whether one agrees or not with the interpretation metaphysically, the concepts are grounded. A Thomist’s core concepts are not coherent in this way.
Although I would assert that there is a certain advantage to this, as we are able to deal, with issues on a general level, and it does not come into conflict with other more precise methods of intellectual inquiry, on the lower more specific levels.
OK, I’m tempted to go on another passionate sermon here, but I’ve said enough on this for now.
That being said, there is no denying that the concepts are hard to get across, and most of the time the reason the arguments are rejected is because there is a confusion of terms. This is hardly servers as a compelling argumentation. This is why the Church is actually shifting away from Thomism into copernicism. (I have no idea what this is; I am still trying to read about) I would even be so bold to assert that many, of your objections to Thomism are most likely held by the metaphysicians of the Church
This is another useful thing I’ve learned in this thread. I am not aware of this philosophical trend. Maritain and Gilson are not “philosophically obsolete”, are they? Kreeft is a guy I like a lot, and he seems at least “quite Thomist-friendly” – see his Summa of the Summa, for example. I probably just don’t know who those young Copernican turks are who are the new vanguard in Catholic thought. Copernican? Do I have that right? That evokes astronomy to me, obviously.
Of course, you are not going to teach the cutting edge metaphysical research hot off the acedemic journal to kids. You might as well teach the arguments that are near their level, and tell them where is it weak and where it is strong.
Well, we can decry the general lack of training and knowledge in kids and the retail public about formal logic, but as you know, syllogisms and deduction and induction and abduction and *modus ponens *and *modus tollens, *etc. are really just formalisms; rudimentary philosophers can construct and validate their syllogisms. The real work of philosophy, and reasoning itself, obtains in assessing the soundness of the premises. Understanding the Ontological Argument to be formally valid doesn’t take you very far, in other words. It’s assessing it soundness that requires are the hard work. Unless you are a Thomist, or some other kind of metaphysician that is satisfied with intuition as a proxy for soundness in the premiss.
I would challenge you to try to get your hands on a Catholic metaphysics research journal, I believe you would find it rather compelling – Catholic Philosophical Quarterly is one that I can think of off the top of my head – I also believe that the University of Notre Dame publishes a couple.
You know, I will do that. As you can imagine, I don’t like being behind the curve. I’m not anticipating being converted, but I do like to be able to say I’m familiar and up to speed with the best thinking on all sides. I’ll go see what I can chase down on the CPQ - I subsscribe to dozens of other journals to keep up, and this may be one I should add to the list.

-TS
 
I wish I had the time! I am stuck reading boring UNIX books for school. 😛
 
Unless you are a Thomist, or some other kind of metaphysician that is satisfied with intuition as a proxy for soundness in the premiss.
can you give me some examples?
 
can you give me some examples?
  1. Intuition of being
  2. esse
The very heart of Thomism is the most fatuous and presumptive. There’s more, of course, but just those (related) two provide an epistemic foundation of sand, intuition posing as real insight and real knowledge. What can we say about all the baroque structures built on top of this?

-TS
 
Perhaps. But really, this strikes me quite strongly as the language of deep enslavement. Here is the call to surrender completely to force majeur, to assent to tyranny, even if we clothe the idea in the language of love and sacrifice. The very idea that when we steal that our consequences and offenses center on God and not the persons we have truly wronged signals servility. Not just your garden variety servility, mind you, but an abject, irrational servility. To grant that stealing from John is actually a cosmic offense against God is to renounce moral reasoning itself, and to embrace voluntarism.
-TS
tyranny? i think authority a more than apt word. one is free to reject authority, but not tyranny. when you contravene the legitimate legal authority, or law here in the United States, the ultimate arbiter of the law is not the one you have harmed, it is the judge, the keeper of the law. i dont think the situation is really any different than we live every day. would you consider your social obligation as a member of a democratic society to be tyranny? or a renunciation of moral reasoning? of course not.
 
tyranny? i think authority a more than apt word. one is free to reject authority, but not tyranny. when you contravene the legitimate legal authority, or law here in the United States, the ultimate arbiter of the law is not the one you have harmed, it is the judge, the keeper of the law. i dont think the situation is really any different than we live every day. would you consider your social obligation as a member of a democratic society to be tyranny?
No, but I’ve got a representational stake in the process. And free people can, have and should throw off tyranny, violently, if necessary, when it asserts itself, and denies the rights and liberties of man. Social obligations are part of the two-way relationship between individual and state. This is not our dynamic with God. There is no ‘consent of the governed’, and no way to topple a despotic tyrant God, should we find ourselves “owned” by one.
or a renunciation of moral reasoning? of course not.
No, of course not. But the judge is not the one wronged in our society in the case of a crime, nor is the jury. The injured parties are wronged, and society in some general sense is harmed by the disruption of order and lawlessness. But the legal system is just a tool of the system, and ultimately accountable to the citizenry.

It is not thus with the Christian view of God, and couldn’t be more different. All power coalesces in the mind/will of a single, dominating ruler in the Christian view. A free society inverts that architecture – “no more kings!”, etc.

-TS
 
Perhaps. But really, this strikes me quite strongly as the language of deep enslavement. Here is the call to surrender completely to force majeur, to assent to tyranny, even if we clothe the idea in the language of love and sacrifice.
On the contrary it is written: “For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but to us that are saved it is God’s power…But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” ( 1 Corinthians 1:18, 2:14)

The Christian life is fittingly represented by the cross, as it is the final fulfilment of our lives. We are baptised with Christ, thus are identifying ourselves with Him. From then on we progress on our pilgrim way towards Jerusalem, carrying our cross, to meet our end by his side, and thus participate in His resurrection. The Christian life is a life of paradoxes as you must have seen, for what should bring death, brings life, what should cause sadness, causes joy. This is but a reflection of the paradox of Golgotha, as through the greatest evil of deicide, the greatest good, the reconciling of humanity with God. The cross is the radical antithesis of the teachings of the world. For in crowds we are lonely, but in solitude we are amongst angels, in vice we are content, but in self-denial there is abounding joy.

I speak for my self, and for those that follow Christ when I say that the Law of the Lord is our delight. We rejoice in following Christ striving for virtue and goodness, to truly deny oneself for the sake of others. How can one say that the endeavourof self-denial is not the only path to virtue? For the very spawn of iniquity is the desire of self over what is naturally greater. You speak of “tyranny” clothed in love, as if the Law of the Lord was some industrious work schedule, where we must routinely pay our dues, on the mountain of servitude that is called “Sinai”. You fail to see that the Law itself became flesh and was nailed to a tree – you fail to see that the law of the Lord truly sets us free, as it unchains our hearts and allows us to flourish in virtue and in love.

I believe you are overlooking the idiosyncrasies between the Word of God, and the opinions of the world, as the contemplation of these truths truly strip the iniquitous and erroneous flesh of society and bears forth the framework and the handiwork of God’s original world, unperverted by the wickedness of man.
 
  1. Intuition of being
  2. esse
i didnt know that either of these was of particular controversy, any more at least than the natural tension between schools of thought.
The very heart of Thomism is the most fatuous and presumptive.
maybe there is something more controversial to these than i knew?
There’s more, of course, but just those (related) two provide an epistemic foundation of sand, intuition posing as real insight and real knowledge.
i guess first i should know what you may call real insight and knowledge and how you see these as being violated by intuition of being and in esse.
 
:rolleyes:
but in the end, evolution, one way or the other doesnt matter. **its 13.7 billion years too late. **it says nothing more interesting about faith than “wow, G-d works in mysterious ways”, it doesnt affect the issue of G-ds existence in any way at all.

so evolution simply doesnt matter. 🤷
What about General Relativity? Does it matter? What about Big Bang Theory? Does it matter?

Too bad Pope Benedict XVI didn’t realize evolution doesn’t matter when he participated in a conference, the Schulerkreis, on creation and evolution in Castel Gandolfo.

Creation and Evolution: A Conference with Pope Benedict XVI in Castel Gandolfo
 
No, but I’ve got a representational stake in the process. And free people can, have and should throw off tyranny, violently, if necessary, when it asserts itself, and denies the rights and liberties of man. Social obligations are part of the two-way relationship between individual and state. This is not our dynamic with God. There is no ‘consent of the governed’, and no way to topple a despotic tyrant God, should we find ourselves “owned” by one.

No, of course not. But the judge is not the one wronged in our society in the case of a crime, nor is the jury. The injured parties are wronged, and society in some general sense is harmed by the disruption of order and lawlessness. But the legal system is just a tool of the system, and ultimately accountable to the citizenry.

It is not thus with the Christian view of God, and couldn’t be more different. All power coalesces in the mind/will of a single, dominating ruler in the Christian view. A free society inverts that architecture – “no more kings!”, etc.

-TS
a free society accepts its own kings, a tyranny of the majority. a republic accepts a tyranny of the lobbied:)

but the inability to topple G-d doesnt make it a tyranny. the alternative would seem to be non-existence. a choice one can make at any time. so i think that you can avoid even that tyranny should you so desire, but just as we enjoy the fruits and freedoms of democracy, we enjoy the fruits and freedoms of existence. to enjoy the fruits of democracy we are asked to hold up our end of the social contract. we must forgoe certain activities we may like to do in order to have a harmonious society. in the same way to enjoy the fruits of existence, in order to do so we are asked to follow certain prescriptions, not bad ones at that. it cannot rightly then be considered tyranny. you can always check out.

i suppose one may make the argument that no is asked about their desire to exist, but thats ultimately non-sequitir as, you must exist in order to be asked.

so to resist the natural authority seeking freedom, seems more the desire to avoid obligation than a search for some meta-freedom . i mean to pay my bills, or to attend jury duty are onerous, but obligatory, simply throwing them off and calling the act a search for freedom seems self serving, of course i dont want to pay mey bills or serve jury duty, but it seems disingenuous to do so under the banner of freedom.

of course all this amounts to opinions on our parts, but i dont really go with the slavery idea.
 
  1. Intuition of being
  2. esse
The very heart of Thomism is the most fatuous and presumptive. There’s more, of course, but just those (related) two provide an epistemic foundation of sand, intuition posing as real insight and real knowledge. What can we say about all the baroque structures built on top of this?

-TS
“Intuition of being”? This suspiciously doesn’t sound like bona fide Thomism, but more like something from one of those sterile hybrids called Kantian-Thomists. What is your source?
 
:rolleyes:

What about General Relativity? Does it matter? What about Big Bang Theory? Does it matter?
not particularly, neither says anything about the creation, some may think the BB does, but as we cant observe prior to a planck time, its also moot.
Too bad Pope Benedict XVI didn’t realize evolution doesn’t matter when he participated in a conference, the Schulerkreis, on creation and evolution in Castel Gandolfo.
why is that? did something change? i thought we are allowed to believe or disbelieve on the merits of theory?
 
“Intuition of being”? This suspiciously doesn’t sound like bona fide Thomism, but more like something from one of those sterile hybrids called Kantian-Thomists. What is your source?
i suspect a kantian attack on Martain as well, but lets see.
 
not particularly, neither says anything about the creation, some may think the BB does, but as we cant observe prior to a planck time, its also moot.

why is that? did something change? i thought we are allowed to believe or disbelieve on the merits of theory?
Right, the Big Bang cannot tell us about Creation. Lemaitre, the originator of the theory, had to remind the pope about that fact. Still, I think many scientific theories are valuable and well worth knowing.

Evolution – to believe or not to believe. That is the question. I’m sorry but I can’t just give away the correct answer. That would be like telling someone how a movie ended before they see it for themselves. I want you to be surprised when you read the book.
 
On the contrary it is written: “For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but to us that are saved it is God’s power…But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” ( 1 Corinthians 1:18, 2:14)

The Christian life is fittingly represented by the cross, as it is the final fulfilment of our lives. We are baptised with Christ, thus are identifying ourselves with Him. From then on we progress on our pilgrim way towards Jerusalem, carrying our cross, to meet our end by his side, and thus participate in His resurrection. The Christian life is a life of paradoxes as you must have seen, for what should bring death, brings life, what should cause sadness, causes joy. This is but a reflection of the paradox of Golgotha, as through the greatest evil of deicide, the greatest good, the reconciling of humanity with God. The cross is the radical antithesis of the teachings of the world. For in crowds we are lonely, but in solitude we are amongst angels, in vice we are content, but in self-denial there is abounding joy.
It was ever thus – Stalin’s “paradox” of the liberation of the masses through the totalitarian despotism… Hitler’s cruel slogan over the front gate at Dachau: *“Arbeit Macht Frei”. *The language of enslavement is necessarily paradoxical because it must overcome the libertine urge of man. It must pursue and validate the basic cognitive dissonance, that I must wear chains if I want to be free, that I must die if I want to live, that I must suffer if I want to experience joy. How else can one present the rhetoric for chains, death and suffering, but by deploying Orwellian assaults on these concepts?
I speak for my self, and for those that follow Christ when I say that the Law of the Lord is our delight. We rejoice in following Christ striving for virtue and goodness, to truly deny oneself for the sake of others.
I don’t deny the joy of sacrifice and denying oneself for the sake of others. As a husband, father of six and member of a large extended family and a surrounding community and society, I embrace it, I embody it. But I do so on the merits, because it is beneficial and healthy and generative in its own right, on its own terms. Doing it “because God said so” takes whatever virtue inheres in that out. Then its just submission to power. A woman who delights in wearing a burqa for her own reasons I can respect as truly vrituous and modest (even if I don’t understand it). But how virtuous is the woman who delights in that not for its own reasons but just because she is a slave of Allah, or worse, knows she will be brutally beaten if she does not. “Virtue by force of law” is not true virtue. The “law of hijab” takes away the integrity of the woman’s virtue, as she is coerced, and even if she embraces it because it’s a good law, it’s because it’s a law.

If you value sacrifice and selflessness and self-discipline for its own sake, you need no God or law to virtuous in that way. God simply taints whatever virtue you may have, and I suppose it’s quite a lot in your case.
How can one say that the endeavour of self-denial is not the only path to virtue? For the very spawn of iniquity is the desire of self over what is naturally greater. You speak of “tyranny” clothed in love, as if the Law of the Lord was some industrious work schedule, where we must routinely pay our dues, on the mountain of servitude that is called “Sinai”. You fail to see that the Law itself became flesh and was nailed to a tree – you fail to see that the law of the Lord truly sets us free, as it unchains our hearts and allows us to flourish in virtue and in love.
You said yourself that the Christian faith is “cross” all believers must take up and bear, following Christ. That’s not martinis on the veranda at sunset. It’s a call to sacrifice, suffering, self-denial, etc. for another, but not for its own sake, but rather because you are commanded so, as bondservants to Christ.

I’m not talking about levitical law here, or the superficial legalism of OT culture. I’m rather suggesting that the very idea that Jesus’ death can do anything to absolve you vicariously for your sins is a deeply tyrannical one, a profound offense human dignity. I do understand the “paradox thing”, that we are “free” by keeping “every thought captive” to Christ, as Paul commends, etc.
I believe you are overlooking the idiosyncrasies between the Word of God, and the opinions of the world, as the contemplation of these truths truly strip the iniquitous and erroneous flesh of society and bears forth the framework and the handiwork of God’s original world, unperverted by the wickedness of man.
Perhaps. From my perspective, the salvation calculus is a perversion, an expression of the wickedness of man. Arbeit macht frei, nein?

I should say, just so we’re clear that the perverse logic behind that does not and cannot diminish the innate goodness of sacrifices and charities done in service to that idea. One of the “fruits of servility” is here is kindness toward others, and kindness is kindness, no matter what prompts it. The perversion happens at a higher level, tainting the integrity of those good things, denying the goodness of sacrifice and self-denial as goods in their own right, goods toward good ends on their own, and “sovietizing” it as necessities in service to the “law of God”. And I don’t mean that in the “Numbers/Leviticus” sense, but in the “take up your cross and follow me” sense.

-TS
 
Arbeit macht frei. Work makes [one] free. I suggest you read the words of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. And I recommend No Future Without Forgiveness by Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

No man is an island and we are born in a community. When one believes that man invents himself, and in radical individualism, the social fabric is torn. Man idolizes his own concept of man, and his own mind. In the current Dictatorship of Relativism, absolute truth, or the wisdom of the ages, becomes a fog. However, there is a boundary line that defines: there are no absolute truths.

I suggest you examine the reasons for your trust, or lack thereof, because man has a built-in handicap called sin, or secular human nature. And there is truth and that is Jesus Christ. You may choose not to believe it but this truth must be offered to all.

Peace,
Ed
 
a free society accepts its own kings, a tyranny of the majority. a republic accepts a tyranny of the lobbied:)
Yes, but that only works by avoiding the import of “king” – see tyranny in the dictionary for example:
1 : oppressive power <every form of tyranny over the mind of man — Thomas Jeffersonhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif>; especially : oppressive power exerted by government
2 a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state b : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant
3 : a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force <living under the tyranny of the clock — Dixon Wecter>
4 : a tyrannical act <workers who had suffered tyrannies>
Free society’s definitely can fall victim to tyranny, and there’s lots of ways to do it. But a free society is itself a way to combat and prevent oppression. Def. 2a there is what I have in mind in labeling God a tyrant – according to Christians all power and authority is held by a single ruler, all are subject to a single, arbitrary will.
but the inability to topple G-d doesnt make it a tyranny.
You’re right, and I hadn’t thought that the case. It just makes the tyranny permanent, unavoidable, unassailable.
the alternative would seem to be non-existence. a choice one can make at any time. so i think that you can avoid even that tyranny should you so desire, but just as we enjoy the fruits and freedoms of democracy, we enjoy the fruits and freedoms of existence.
No, it could be that a creator would create, and invest moral authority and reason in his creatures, making them truly free and autonomous. And it’s worth considering that the Tyrant is a fiction in the first place, a social construct useful to provide the means for social organization, and to placate psychological needs of those who have an innate desire to be slaves.
to enjoy the fruits of democracy we are asked to hold up our end of the social contract. we must forgoe certain activities we may like to do in order to have a harmonious society. in the same way to enjoy the fruits of existence, in order to do so we are asked to follow certain prescriptions, not bad ones at that. it cannot rightly then be considered tyranny. you can always check out.
In a free society, we have recourse to defend our liberty, either through law, or violent overthrow of the tyrant. In Christian theism, no such recourse obtains. We are simply stuck with the tyrant, for better or worse. It’s a one way power relationship. In a free society, the ‘consent of the govern’ obtains, and provides liabilities for those in power – don’t tread on me! Abuse engenders overthrow in free society. Abuse is called “goodness” in a totalitarian arrangement where the slaves have no recourse.
i suppose one may make the argument that no is asked about their desire to exist, but thats ultimately non-sequitir as, you must exist in order to be asked.
A free citizen is not asked if he wants to exist, or even be a citizen. She is “citizenized” automatically, once of age. But with that responsibility also comes recourse, and this recourse is conspicuously absent in the totalitarian model of Christianity. They couldn’t be more different.
so to resist the natural authority seeking freedom, seems more the desire to avoid obligation than a search for some meta-freedom . i mean to pay my bills, or to attend jury duty are onerous, but obligatory, simply throwing them off and calling the act a search for freedom seems self serving, of course i dont want to pay mey bills or serve jury duty, but it seems disingenuous to do so under the banner of freedom.
Those are all contractual, bilateral arrangements. If the people, or just I, consider the authorities oppressive, illegitimate due to its abuse of my/our freedoms, recourse is available – we can vote for changes in the system, and work to convince others to do the same, or we can even escalate matters to the violent overthrow of the tyrants.
of course all this amounts to opinions on our parts, but i dont really go with the slavery idea.
Of course not, it’s often better to frame it in other, more preferable terms. Even if one is a slave, that’s not necessarily how one wants to think about the situation.

-TS
 
“Intuition of being”? This suspiciously doesn’t sound like bona fide Thomism, but more like something from one of those sterile hybrids called Kantian-Thomists. What is your source?
I’m fine with “being qua being”, if that suits you better. That formulation usually is problematic in two respects, though. First, many readers just don’t understand what is meant by that, where “intuition of being” gets the gist across effectively. Second, “being qua being” tends to “overshoot” Aquinas and point directly to Aristotle. Aquinas leaned heavily on Aristotle, but “being qua being” emphasizes Aquinas’ Aristotelian influence at the expense of other influences he also incorporated.

If you have a better, one line phrase that captures the concept, I’m open to it. But those familiar with Aquinas in even a passing way should be able get my conveyance with either of these.

-TS
 
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