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RIght. “Mythical” as in “non-historical” does NOT mean “untrue”. If Genesis is true, ultimately, I think the term “creation hymn” probably would the best characterization I’ve heard of it. What a waste it would be for the writer of Genesis to write it as an history, rather than a creative myth that captures the imagination and establishes the sovereignty of YHWH in a theological sense.I believe this is partialy true, and I understand where you are going with this. I assert this is due to us not understanding the scriptures in the first place. In all honesty we had, until recently no information about the time the scriptures were written it. We did not have the great tools that we have now, to do the proper exegesis. Even if evolution did not occur, it would have become painfully obvious that we were interpreting the scriptures far more literally then the sacred author ever intended. It is very obvious today that the book of Genesis is exclusively mythical work that conveys theological truth, with only kernels of historical truth. Genesis tells us not about the natural world (save for the fact that the universe had a beginning), or how life develops, it tells us about God and it tells us about ourselves, and how we relate to Him – that is what revelation is about anyways.
OK, I can appreciate that. A Christian friend comforts himself by thinking I’m something like the “soldier of Tash” in Lewis’ The Last Battle. That’s a flattering sentiment to receive from a friend, but I think the problem is far more serious than that in my case, and in the case of many atheists. The primary challenge, of course, is the thoroughly godless appearance and behavior of the universe. Believing God exists is the first and biggest problem. But even if I’m to find out I’m wrong, and the Christian God does exist, it’s a worse problem, if a secondary one, because then I’m bound by my moral conscience to object to him, and curse him outright for infusing the universe with his evil despotism. Yes, acts of love, too, but done in the context of tyranny, an enslaving relationship.I have for very long time, rejected the propagandistic notion, that atheists automatically warrant eternal fire. This is not theology, this is obvious propaganda – there is no theological reason, for an atheist, who is ignorant of the truths of God, through no fault of his own, to merit hell. As far as Christian theology is concerned, they are in the same boat as Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and everyone else under the sun. They will be given enough grace, and they will be called to seek goodness, and purify themselves of iniquity and error. An atheist who truly has very strong intellectual difficulties is no different, as far as I am concerned, in the eyes of God, then a Jew who has immense theological difficulties. Theologically speaking, they will be judged on their culpability, and response to the call and desire that every man has, for goodness.
I think that second part would be a significant problem - moral outrage at God’s actions and principles over the universe and man, if the Christian model is roughly right. I certain would not want to suffer eternal torment, but given the Christian options, I’m not sure what other choice obtains. God would have to remove my conscience for me to assent, which I guess is possible for an omnipotent god, but does seem contrary to Christian understandings of God.
I’m aware that God may have more universalist and merciful tendencies than is commonly thought, more justice than is sometimes attributed to him. But like I said, I’m apparently the worst case scenario. I can’t find a way to support belief he even exists in the first place. But if he does, it would be a better universe if it were godless, and God will know this is my sober moral conviction about him, if he somehow is real. That I think will be a problem for me, if so.Sorry for a bit of the rant, but it hits a nerve when people take theology and morph it to their own whims.
OK, I appreciate that assessment. Thomism seems to be resurgent in some areas, at least judging by some of my philosophy-loving Catholic friends, albeit under the auspices of “neo-Thomism”. But the same basic problem seems to obtain in neo-Thomism as did in its classic counterpart. It wasn’t just vague language, but the amorphous, equivocal concepts that served as the basic grounding in that discourse. More on that anon, I suppose.Well we seem to be able to agree on many things, and I wish to add another one. The Church is fully aware at the limitations of Thomism in our modern world. Now as a very devout Thomist, I will argue to the death, that what he said is completely true in valid, (We have already crossed swords on this) but this can only go so far. As it doesn’t really matter so much that it is true, it really matters if it is going to serve as compelling arguments. There is a big problem with Thomistic metaphysics, and I think you made it quite clear in our last skirmish over this – the language that is used is very broad and archaic.
-TS