Why God allowed gays to born?

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Ion said:
I was wondering, if there is a person incapable of fasting or abstaining, is this an ilness of the soul, a psychological problem or a fiziological problem? Can be any of them or all of them?
Does one induce another?
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Ion,

You limit the possibilities…Someone cannot fast or abstain from food I assume…because

They are diabetic and must eat
They are anorectic and have starved themselves
They suffer from Marasmus
They suffer from Kwashiorkor
They suffer from malaborption
They have beliefs that not eating causes them harm

When you ask a question like does one induce the other…

A psychological problem is as real as a physiologic problem because they manifest the same way…the results are the same. A physiologic problem can induce a psychologic problem and a psychologic problem can induce a physiologic problem.

The soul as far as I can see suffers when the body is starved…or there may be those that believe that the soul is strenghtened until the body is starved to the point of danger…

What is it you are driving at.?
 
CopticChristian said:
Ion,

You limit the possibilities…Someone cannot fast or abstain from food I assume…because

They are diabetic and must eat
They are anorectic and have starved themselves
They suffer from Marasmus
They suffer from Kwashiorkor
They suffer from malaborption
They have beliefs that not eating causes them harm

When you ask a question like does one induce the other…

A psychological problem is as real as a physiologic problem because they manifest the same way…the results are the same. A physiologic problem can induce a psychologic problem and a psychologic problem can induce a physiologic problem.

The soul as far as I can see suffers when the body is starved…or there may be those that believe that the soul is strenghtened until the body is starved to the point of danger…

What is it you are driving at.?
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I assumed that the person doesn’t know of any health troubles, but is not able to fast or abstain, or keep sexual abstinence. If the doctor doesn’t have any concerns about any physiologic problems (lets say the person doesn’t tell the doctor about this, but no doctor ever asked me if i fast or anything) should you have them if you are unable to fast?
I asume fasting is the same with sexual abstinence but on a different scale.
I was thinking about how some homosexual people say they can’t abstain.
Maybe it starts with a weakness of the soul.
 
Ion said:
I assumed that the person doesn’t know of any health troubles, but is not able to fast or abstain, or keep sexual abstinence. If the doctor doesn’t have any concerns about any physiologic problems (lets say the person doesn’t tell the doctor about this, but no doctor ever asked me if i fast or anything) should you have them if you are unable to fast?
I asume fasting is the same with sexual abstinence but on a different scale.
I was thinking about how some homosexual people say they can’t abstain.
Maybe it starts with a weakness of the soul.
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I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say they can’t abstain from sex.
 
Ion said:
I assumed that the person doesn’t know of any health troubles, but is not able to fast or abstain, or keep sexual abstinence. If the doctor doesn’t have any concerns about any physiologic problems (lets say the person doesn’t tell the doctor about this, but no doctor ever asked me if i fast or anything) should you have them if you are unable to fast?
I asume fasting is the same with sexual abstinence but on a different scale.
I was thinking about how some homosexual people say they can’t abstain.
Maybe it starts with a weakness of the soul.
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Ion,

You have to eat live.

You don’t have to express sex in action to live.
 
Ion said:
These are the very extreme. You don not fast in the middle of a famine, and if you are married, you have to express sex in action to live. 🙂
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Ion,

If you stop eating you die.

If you are married and stop having sex you do not die.
 
CopticChristian said:
Ion,

If you stop eating you die.

If you are married and stop having sex you do not die.
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now, to the bare bone you are right.

but it’s a hierarchy that doesn’t show up always this way…

maybe i didn’t starve myself enough

I didn’t think about this, but is refusing your spouse a mortal or venial sin?
 
TheBreak said:
English is not my first language, so I’m sorry for any misspellings.

Gay are getting killed everyday, they are the most hated group on earth at this age,

Don’t tell me that gays choose to be gays because this is STUPID! I know that most Catholics don’t think that but the evangelicals do! I can’t imagine that guy in the middle East in Iran woke up one day and thought “I wanna people to hate me, I wanna suffer, I wanna be killed, hmmm oh I found it, I can turn gay!!!”

Also, some people say that gay sex is wrong, what about the fact that sisters and brothers were having sex together (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) and that was OKAY!!

Saying that same sex marriage is WRONG!! Why? Why two men or women in love can’t be together, I have gay friends and two of them are couples, the love that I see in them is stronger and greater than the love my parents have. They love each other and stand beside each other and yet they can’t get married, While Britney Spears got married for about 70 days and that was okay, that was marriage. When gay men are couple for more than 30 years and yet, that is not marriage.

Sorry guys if I sound angry, but I DO NOT see one reason to treat LGBT people the way they’ve been treated, and yet, God created them and now he is punishing them? WHY?
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You claim to be a new Christian so I assume you don’t know much about the Bible or about what the Catholic Church teaches about homosexuality. First, let me teach you what the Catholic Church teaches about homosexuality. Here it is from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2357

Here’s some links that explain what the Catholic Church believes as well:

catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality

catholic.com/tracts/early-teachings-on-homosexuality

catholic.com/quickquestions/how-can-the-church-say-homosexuality-is-unnatural-when-many-animals-exhibit-homosexua

catholic.com/quickquestions/how-can-we-be-more-accepting-of-gay-people

catholic.com/quickquestions/is-the-right-to-marry-a-person-of-the-same-sex-a-civil-right

catholic.com/quickquestions/should-i-leave-the-church-because-of-my-homosexuality

catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-the-non-biblical-argument-against-homosexuality

catholic.com/documents/gay-marriage

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Finally, here is what the Bible says:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination. You shall not have carnal relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; such things are abhorrent. Do not defile yourselves by any of these things by which the nations whom I am driving out of your way have defiled themselves. Because their land has become defiled, I am punishing it for its wickedness, by making it vomit out its inhabitants.
(Leviticus 18:22-25 NAB)

Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents. They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
(Romans 1:24-32 NAB)

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
(1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NAB)

A woman shall not wear an article proper to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s dress; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God.
(Deuteronomy 22:5 NAB)

That last one has more to do with cross dressing and transgenderism than homosexuality.
 
Sister_Terese said:
KendraDZ1902;10524036:
Correct! And, the other thing that often gets forgotten is that ALL Catholics are called to live chastely regardless of their state in life. Married couples are to live chastely. Having sexual relations with someone who is not your spouse is a mortal sin just like a homosexual act is considered. Our society has become so sex-saturated in the last 60 years that to even suggest the one reel in their need for instant gratification is almost met with shrill cries of anathema. Our passions whether they be sexual or otherwise need to be brought under control. That is why it is so important to be well-versed in Catholic teaching and to frequent the sacraments, especially Penance and the Eucharist, regularly. We simply cannot fight our passions on our own–we need divine assistance and vigilance.
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The term “gay,” was used in the 18th century to mean “libertine,” As for homosexuality, no one knows why a person is gay and nothing reveals it except his/her behavior. Ditto any form of bad behavior. Is a person born an addict to pornography? Yet it is become so common that many argue it is perfectly natural.
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Ion said:
now, to the bare bone you are right.

but it’s a hierarchy that doesn’t show up always this way…

maybe i didn’t starve myself enough

I didn’t think about this, but is refusing your spouse a mortal or venial sin?
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Ion,

Was it because you were starving and lost interest?

or

Just refusing?
 
CopticChristian said:
Ion,

Was it because you were starving and lost interest?

or

Just refusing?
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At a time when i was atheist, unfortunately, i was with a girlfriend; then we split and I went in the army for a year; durring that year, i didn’t think of anything sexual because there were no girls and otherwise would have been wrong. After i got back home, the moment i thought i can go with girls, the hell fall onto my head. i resisted only 3 days, i even tried cold showers, didn’t work. then i got back to the old girlfriend only for this reason (atheistic thinking) I never starved my self to that point. Actually cold showers work but only for a half hour.
 
CopticChristian said:
Ion,

Was it because you were starving and lost interest?

or

Just refusing?
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I asked you about your opinion on why people make a decision (ex. fasting/abstaining), then based on their feelings they “find a reason” to change it, and after that they regret they have changed it. Homosexuals say they can’t do it otherwise, that means they have tried. Or the problem it is not in the same “league”.
Isn’t this a weakness? And what would be the cause?
 
If homosexuality were in fact purely genetic, wouldn’t we with all our advances in science one day be able to know this very early in the pregnancy? The way Liberals want to have it parents by then might be able to abort the child based on its sexual preference and homosexuality could be nearly wiped out. I wonder what their answer would be to that? I prefer to believe that homosexuality is both a sin and a choice and nothing more.
 
If homosexuality were in fact purely genetic, wouldn’t we with all our advances in science one day be able to know this very early in the pregnancy? The way some want to have it parents by then might be able to abort the child based on its sexual preference and homosexuality could be nearly wiped out. I wonder what their answer would be to that? I prefer to believe that homosexuality is both a sin and a choice and nothing more.
 
Scripture merely states that homosexuality is ‘unnatural’, and a sin *(and goes against the very nature of how God instituted one man/one woman in creation) That would put in the class of other sexual sins mentioned. Ergo, we are born with sin, period. Which sins we allow ourselves to get caught up in, is up to us! As the scripture points out, the adulterer, etc.are sinners,period. And nowhere does it say we’re ‘born’ with a certain proclivity to any particular sin. Man invented that theory to make him feel more justified in his particular sin.
 
I thought that man was born with an inclination toward evil as part of the first sin.
 
TheBreak said:
English is not my first language, so I’m sorry for any misspellings.

Gay are getting killed everyday, they are the most hated group on earth at this age,

Don’t tell me that gays choose to be gays because this is STUPID! I know that most Catholics don’t think that but the evangelicals do! I can’t imagine that guy in the middle East in Iran woke up one day and thought “I wanna people to hate me, I wanna suffer, I wanna be killed, hmmm oh I found it, I can turn gay!!!”

Also, some people say that gay sex is wrong, what about the fact that sisters and brothers were having sex together (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) and that was OKAY!!

Saying that same sex marriage is WRONG!! Why? Why two men or women in love can’t be together, I have gay friends and two of them are couples, the love that I see in them is stronger and greater than the love my parents have. They love each other and stand beside each other and yet they can’t get married, While Britney Spears got married for about 70 days and that was okay, that was marriage. When gay men are couple for more than 30 years and yet, that is not marriage.

Sorry guys if I sound angry, but I DO NOT see one reason to treat LGBT people the way they’ve been treated, and yet, God created them and now he is punishing them? WHY?
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Look at a man and woman’s body. Is it not obvious that they are meant for sexual union? opposed to two men and two women? It is a cross to bare but it doesn’t make it right becasue you feel bad.
 
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