Why God has no mercy to unchristian?

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

Those who didn’t help Jesus’s followers might have done some good work. How possibly their good work could be ignored?

Because of the leap-frog characteristic of forum participation all of us are at cross purposes !

Bahman, check out my 89-92 inclusive plus 95.

A number of the thread participants may have forgotten that Mt 10-12 has a specific purpose within the context of a walk of many years that the Church no longer proposes nor does it accompany anyone on it any more.

Also rest assured that Jesus definitely doesn’t take a superficial view like so many pushy “Christians” do.

Hoping this helps a little.

 

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

We cannot be children and enemy of God at the same time. I don’t think if this passage can address God’s divine justice well.

You’re not supposed to. Because it isn’t addressed to you.

In the event, the rate for the longer hours was the just rate. If He wants to make some people a free gift, what is it to us? Now if that awakens in us ill feeling when we are not beginners (i.e several years down the road from where you are now) we are invited to pull ourselves up short from any ill feeling.

God has a special reason for hiding the Gospel from you. The Gospel is a burden. Those he gave it to in the past, have had a longer slog, more pitfalls, more self-delusion, more chance of falling. I’ve been called to it (after a fashion) for 61 very strange years.

God called certain ones of us to build the Church, disagreed amongst ourselves as to how. Because we are at the internet, you see us as if in a fishtank!

In human affairs there’s infinite room for paradox, don’t you think Bahman?

 

[Bahman]

Here you are Bahman, this bit is specially for you at this time and indefinitely.

It can be confusing with modern day electronic communications to know who one is “part of” and who one isn’t.

That is the church interpretation!

 

[Bahman]

You’re not supposed to. Because it isn’t addressed to you.

But in human affairs there’s infinite room for paradox, don’t you think Bahman?

I think so.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

This is not what I understand from the verse. God has no mercy on those who don’t choose him rather than opposing him.

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God gives us the power to choose him or not. If we do not choose him, he cannot be merciful because, not believing in him, we refuse to ask for his mercy. Mercy requires admitting we have sinned against God and it requires sorrow for our sins. If we don’t believe in God, we cannot admit our sins and ask for mercy.

More to the point: God plants in our hearts the desire to know and love him.

By pretending to ourselves that we do not have this knowledge in our heart because we do not have it in our head, we repudiate God’s gift and therefore do not deserve his mercy. Everyone is called to God. Not everyone answers the call for one perverse reason or another.

 

[Vico]

I am afraid that I didn’t get it. Could you please elaborate?

The first question was:

Bahman:

Why those who are not with Jesus are with devil, Satan?

They thought Jesus was healing through Satan. He said it was not healing by evil, which was not possible, but by the Spirit of God. He gave another example of plundering, where in order to succeed, it is necessary to oppose those that would stop it. So he summarized “Anyone who is not with me is against me”. Earlier he said “no household divided against itself can last”. So, those that are with Jesus are opposed to Satan, and the others are with Satan. Can a person be neutral? No.

Matthew 7:
15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.

Included for reference:

Matthew 12 (NABRE translation)

25 Knowing what was in their minds he said to them, 'Every kingdom divided against itself is heading for ruin; and no town, no household divided against itself can last.

26 Now if Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself; so how can his kingdom last?

27 And if it is through Beelzebul that I drive devils out, through whom do your own experts drive them out? They shall be your judges, then.

28 But if it is through the Spirit of God that I drive out devils, then be sure that the kingdom of God has caught you unawares.

29 'Or again, how can anyone make his way into a strong man’s house and plunder his property unless he has first tied up the strong man? Only then can he plunder his house.

30 'Anyone who is not with me is against me, and anyone who does not gather in with me throws away.

 

[Bahman]

God gives us the power to choose him or not. If we do not choose him, he cannot be merciful because, not believing in him, we refuse to ask for his mercy. Mercy requires admitting we have sinned against God and it requires sorrow for our sins. If we don’t believe in God, we cannot admit our sins and ask for mercy.

More to the point: God plants in our hearts the desire to know and love him.

By pretending to ourselves that we do not have this knowledge in our heart because we do not have it in our head, we repudiate God’s gift and therefore do not deserve his mercy. Everyone is called to God. Not everyone answers the call for one perverse reason or another.

For all nonbeliever it is not certain that God exist or not. Of course they would accept God’s mercy if they are sure about Him.

 

[Bahman]

The first question was:

They thought Jesus was healing through Satan. He said it was not healing by evil, which was not possible, but by the Spirit of God. He gave another example of plundering, where in order to succeed, it is necessary to oppose those that would stop it. So he summarized “Anyone who is not with me is against me”. Earlier he said “no household divided against itself can last”. So, those that are with Jesus are opposed to Satan, and the others are with Satan. Can a person be neutral? No…

Yes, I am neutral.

 

[davidv]

For all nonbeliever it is not certain that God exist or not. Of course they would accept God’s mercy if they are sure about Him.

Why is certainty required? Most human choices are made lacking certainty. Why is it necessary in relation to God?

 

[Bahman]

Why is certainty required? Most human choices are made lacking certainty. Why is it necessary in relation to God?

Nonbeliever simply don’t believe.

 

[davidv]

Nonbeliever simply don’t believe.

Which is a free choice. Evidence of God abounds. The unbeliever rejects this evidence.

 

[Bahman]

Which is a free choice. Evidence of God abounds. The unbeliever rejects this evidence.

It has nothing with free choice. It is simply absence of any fact to show them that God exist. They are rational being.

 

[davidv]

It has nothing with free choice. It is simply absence of any fact to show them that God exist. They are rational being.

So you keep claiming. Prove it.
Rational beings include the attribute of free will. (If a being has no free will, they are not human. They might be rabbit, horse, dog, ant, or any other living non-human being.)
Listen to any news cast and note all of the irrational choices rational beings make.

 

[Bahman]

So you keep claiming. Prove it.
Rational beings include the attribute of free will. (If a being has no free will, they are not human. They might be rabbit, horse, dog, ant, or any other living non-human being.)
Listen to any news cast and note all of the irrational choices rational beings make.

Prove what?

 

[Aloysium]

In the real world, we are a tangle of conflicts and contradictions, ruled by emotions and having to exert a certain amount of effort to determine and do what is better.

 

[davidv]

Prove what?

See your post #108.
One Bread:

In thirteen days, we will begin praying the Pentecost novena. The Lord intends to give us a renewal of our Baptisms and Confirmations that will truly change the world. In the Holy Spirit, we will receive power (Acts 1:8) and be “clothed with power from on high” (Lk 24:49). In the Holy Spirit, we will do works even greater than Jesus did (Jn 14:12).

Because of our great power in the Holy Spirit, we are a threat to the devil. He must stop us by bribing us with fleeting, enslaving pleasures. If that doesn’t work, he attempts to intimidate us by threatening to inflict pain on us and persecute us. Consequently, we must be willing to endure “violent abuse” (Acts 13:45) and even death, rather than compromise the gospel.

Do you want to receive the Holy Spirit in much greater ways? Knowing that you will receive both power and pain, will you cry out: “Come, Holy Spirit!”? Let us decide to take up the cross, the cost of Pentecost.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Nonbeliever simply don’t believe.

It’s not that they don’t believe. They don’t want to believe.

Nonbelievers believe all kinds of things for which there is only a smattering of evidence. They believe these things because they want to believe them.

Many a skeptic, for example, will tell you we live in a multiverse, and without one iota of proof that such a multiverse exists. But whether we live in a multiverse or not matters not.
What really matters is whether we live in a world beyond which we are destined to live in still another world. That matters. And the notion that you should believe in something that doesn’t matter but you should not believe in something that does matter just baffles me.

 

[Bahman]

It’s not that they don’t believe. They don’t want to believe.

Nonbelievers believe all kinds of things for which there is only a smattering of evidence. They believe these things because they want to believe them.

Many a skeptic, for example, will tell you we live in a multiverse, and without one iota of proof that such a multiverse exists. But whether we live in a multiverse or not matters not.
What really matters is whether we live in a world beyond which we are destined to live in still another world. That matters. And the notion that you should believe in something that doesn’t matter but you should not believe in something that does matter just baffles me.

We don’t simply have any fact to strive on otherwise everybody would be believer.

 

[Vico]

We don’t simply have any fact to strive on otherwise everybody would be believer.

The Catechism shows what Christian faith is.

Faith is a grace

153 When St. Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus declared to him that this revelation did not come “from flesh and blood”, but from “my Father who is in heaven”.24 Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. "Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and ‘makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth.’"25

Faith is a human act

154 Believing is possible only by grace and the interior helps of the Holy Spirit. But it is no less true that believing is an authentically human act. Trusting in God and cleaving to the truths he has revealed is contrary neither to human freedom nor to human reason. Even in human relations it is not contrary to our dignity to believe what other persons tell us about themselves and their intentions, or to trust their promises (for example, when a man and a woman marry) to share a communion of life with one another. If this is so, still less is it contrary to our dignity to “yield by faith the full submission of. . . intellect and will to God who reveals”,26 and to share in an interior communion with him.

155 In faith, the human intellect and will cooperate with divine grace: "Believing is an act of the intellect assenting to the divine truth by command of the will moved by God through grace."27

 

[Bahman]

The Catechism shows what Christian faith is.

Faith is a grace

153 When St. Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus declared to him that this revelation did not come “from flesh and blood”, but from “my Father who is in heaven”.24 Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. "Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and ‘makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth.’"25

Faith is a human act

154 Believing is possible only by grace and the interior helps of the Holy Spirit. But it is no less true that believing is an authentically human act. Trusting in God and cleaving to the truths he has revealed is contrary neither to human freedom nor to human reason. Even in human relations it is not contrary to our dignity to believe what other persons tell us about themselves and their intentions, or to trust their promises (for example, when a man and a woman marry) to share a communion of life with one another. If this is so, still less is it contrary to our dignity to “yield by faith the full submission of. . . intellect and will to God who reveals”,26 and to share in an interior communion with him.

155 In faith, the human intellect and will cooperate with divine grace: "Believing is an act of the intellect assenting to the divine truth by command of the will moved by God through grace."27

We need indisputable facts to show to nonbeliever that they are wrong and you are right. Are these facts?