Why God has no mercy to unchristian?

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Bahman said:
Everybody should be punished or rewarded according to how s/he live.

To divide people into two categories.
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Everyone is punished or rewarded according to how s/he live.
“You did not feed me when I was hungry… depart from me”
“you did feed me when I was hungry… Enter into the Kingdom”

One hungry Jesus.
Some people chose not to feed him but to hurt him, and are punished for their refusal to do works of Charity.
Some people chose to help and feed him, and are rewarded with the Kingdom.

God did not divide them, but they got what they wanted, what they chose, either no charity or all charity.

One people getting results according to how s/he live. One category.

By the way, mercy is something God has while you are still alive, forgiving you for your past non-charity, and beginning again with you to let you start today to live in Charity to help the hungry Jesus, the thirsty Jesus, the imprisoned Jesus, the naked Jesus. If you do this now, he will not remember your past failings but have mercy for a bad past. Today is the day of mercy, not the day of judgement.
 
John_Martin said:
Do you stay near people who hurt you as well as stay near people who help you?
Why do you keep people far from you who hurt you and keep people near you who help you?
Why not keep everyone near you Bahman? Both the ones who help you AND the ones who hurt you - one Bahman, one people near him, both those who hurt him AND those who help him? We are like God, he made us in his image, so, do you stay far from some people but stay close to other people?
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We cannot hurt God so one God and one group.
 
John_Martin said:
Justice means giving a person what is due to him.
It does not mean giving someone mercy.
Mercy is a different Virtue than the Virtue of Justice.
Mercy is not due to anyone, but a gift.

And, God declares (so we do not presume upon his mercy) “I will show mercy to whomever I choose to show mercy”
In other words, “It is for my own reasons when I show mercy if and when I show mercy, it is not because you agree with me or not in your own reasoning about it”.
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What you said is off topic. The main question is that why Jesus divide people into two groups, the first one is with him and the second one is against him.
 
Bahman said:
I cannot understand what you said.
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The Gospel of John 8
37 I know that you are descendants of Abraham. But you are trying to kill me, because my word has no room among you. 38 I tell you what I have seen in the Father’s presence; then do what you have heard from the Father.”

39 [t]They answered and said to him, “Our father is Abraham.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works of Abraham. 40 But now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God; Abraham did not do this. 41 You are doing the works of your father!” [So] they said to him, “We are not illegitimate. We have one Father, God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and am here; I did not come on my own, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Can any of you charge me with sin? If I am telling the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not listen, because you do not belong to God.”
 
Bahman said:
We cannot hurt God so one God and one group.
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Jesus did not say if you hurt God you are in a certain group, he said “If you do not help me, the human Jesus, by not helping the least of these my brothers, then you are in the Goat group”
It is not about hurting unhurtable God, but about hurting the hurtable Jesus.
 
Vico said:
The Gospel of John 8
37 I know that you are descendants of Abraham. But you are trying to kill me, because my word has no room among you. 38 I tell you what I have seen in the Father’s presence; then do what you have heard from the Father.”

39 [t]They answered and said to him, “Our father is Abraham.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works of Abraham. 40 But now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God; Abraham did not do this. 41 You are doing the works of your father!” [So] they said to him, “We are not illegitimate. We have one Father, God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and am here; I did not come on my own, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Can any of you charge me with sin? If I am telling the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not listen, because you do not belong to God.”
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I hold my position: one God one group. We are simply children of God. Aren’t we?
 
John_Martin said:
Jesus did not say if you hurt God you are in a certain group, he said “If you do not help me, the human Jesus, by not helping the least of these my brothers, then you are in the Goat group”
It is not about hurting unhurtable God, but about hurting the hurtable Jesus.
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We cannot hurt or help him anymore. He is in Heaven now.
 
Bahman said:
We cannot hurt or help him anymore. He is in Heaven now.
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LISTEN CAREFULLY, BAHMAN, TO WHAT JESUS SAID.
NOT JUST LISTEN,
BUT LISTEN VERY VERY CAREFULLY:
“WHENEVER you did this to the least of these, my brothers, you did it to me”

WHENEVER includes your word “anymore” (where you said “we cannot hurt or help him anymore”)

So, Game Over - Stop trying to scatter people on this forum and everywhere else; start helping Jesus today, by helping these, the least of his brothers, to gather with Jesus rather than to scatter.
 
God offers His mercy to everyone, even to those of different religions, to nonbelievers and to sinners. It is our choice to accept or deny God and His mercy. Don’t ever say that so-and-so is not worthy of God’s mercy. Wouldn’t that be considered a horrible sin in the eyes of God? We are not judges and we must never even begin to think any person(s) are not worthy of the mercy of God.
 
Bahman said:
I hold my position: one God one group. We are simply children of God. Aren’t we?
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God is our creator, in that sense what you said it true. However, our actions and omissions , based upon our free will, put us into different categories as friends of God or enemies of God.

Matthew 25:31-46

31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty.
32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:
36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.
37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee?
39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?
40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink.
43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me.
44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee?
45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
 
John_Martin said:
LISTEN CAREFULLY, BAHMAN, TO WHAT JESUS SAID.
NOT JUST LISTEN,
BUT LISTEN VERY VERY CAREFULLY:
“WHENEVER you did this to the least of these, my brothers, you did it to me”

WHENEVER includes your word “anymore” (where you said “we cannot hurt or help him anymore”)

So, Game Over - Stop trying to scatter people on this forum and everywhere else; start helping Jesus today, by helping these, the least of his brothers, to gather with Jesus rather than to scatter.
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I guess you feel offended. I am so sorry if it is so but I have to tell the truth.
 
smaw8 said:
God offers His mercy to everyone, even to those of different religions, to nonbelievers and to sinners. It is our choice to accept or deny God and His mercy. Don’t ever say that so-and-so is not worthy of God’s mercy. Wouldn’t that be considered a horrible sin in the eyes of God? We are not judges and we must never even begin to think any person(s) are not worthy of the mercy of God.
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I don’t think that God’s mercy include non-believer as well. Remember that you have to be baptized and confess your sins before death.
 
Vico said:
God is our creator, in that sense what you said it true. However, our actions and omissions , based upon our free will, put us into different categories as friends of God or enemies of God.

Matthew 25:31-46

31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty.
32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:
36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.
37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee?
39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?
40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink.
43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me.
44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee?
45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
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We cannot be children and enemy of God at the same time. I don’t think if this passage can address God’s divine justice well.
 
Bahman said:
We cannot be children and enemy of God at the same time. I don’t think if this passage can address God’s divine justice well.
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The story is to illustrate lawfulness (justice), the analogy is to those the will be rewarded for their work will receive what the master promised, and the master may lawfully give more.

Enemy, noun, a person hostile or opposed to a policy, cause, person, or group, esp one who actively tries to do damage; opponent (Collins, British English)

I understand that you do not accept Christianity, but, per Christian teaching, we can be children of God and enemy (hatred) to God at the same time. Besides the fall of the angels (one third) there is mortal sin of mankind. The Catechism teaches:

1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.
Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.

1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

2093 Faith in God’s love encompasses the call and the obligation to respond with sincere love to divine charity. The first commandment enjoins us to love God above everything and all creatures for him and because of him.12

2094 One can sin against God’s love in various ways:
  • indifference neglects or refuses to reflect on divine charity; it fails to consider its prevenient goodness and denies its power.
  • ingratitude fails or refuses to acknowledge divine charity and to return him love for love.
  • lukewarmness is hesitation or negligence in responding to divine love; it can imply refusal to give oneself over to the prompting of charity.
  • acedia or spiritual sloth goes so far as to refuse the joy that comes from God and to be repelled by divine goodness.
  • hatred of God comes from pride. It is contrary to love of God, whose goodness it denies, and whom it presumes to curse as the one who forbids sins and inflicts punishments.
 
Vico said:
The story is to illustrate lawfulness (justice), the analogy is to those the will be rewarded for their work will receive what the master promised, and the master may lawfully give more.
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Yes the money is for the master and he can spend it the way s/he like but that doesn’t mean that his worker are paid justly.
Vico said:
Enemy, noun, a person hostile or opposed to a policy, cause, person, or group, esp one who actively tries to do damage; opponent (Collins, British English)

I understand that you do not accept Christianity, but, per Christian teaching, we can be children of God and enemy (hatred) to God at the same time. Besides the fall of the angels (one third) there is mortal sin of mankind…
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Equating non-believer and enemy of God is wrong.
 
Bahman said:
I don’t think that God’s mercy include non-believer as well. Remember that you have to be baptized and confess your sins before death.
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Of course you don’t think that God has mercy on non-believers.
You are a non-believer, and therefore you have no understanding of God’s mercy.

On the day of judgement of ALL people, the non-believing goats think they will get into heaven, but are surprised when they are excluded - they had no mercy on the least of Jesus’ followers in their lives, and God had no mercy on them.
and the non-believing sheep think they will not get into heaven, but are surprised when they are welcomed - they had mercy on Jesus followers in their lives, and God had mercy on them.
Neither the sheep nor the goats will have understood God’s mercy, nor will they understand God’s judgement - both will be surprised at the judgement.

Judgement has to do with verifying who your Father is, because people are like their father
The Goats in the judgement lived lives of not giving help to Jesus in the least of those who believe in him - they showed no mercy in their living, and are like their father, Satan, who has no mercy on anyone.
The Sheep in the judgement lived lives of giving help to Jesus in the least of those who believe in him - they showed mercy in their lives, and are like their Father, God, who has mercy on his children.

Right now you are thinking God should let you and everyone into heaven, no matter what. And you are trying to convince believers to abandon their “foolish belief”. You are trying to scatter. You are acting like the goats of Matthew 25.

But stop this. Instead, if you do not believe, let the believers continue to believe without trying to lead them away from their belief. Have mercy on the believers by letting them continue in their belief in peace.
 
Bahman said:
Yes the money is for the master and he can spend it the way s/he like but that doesn’t mean that his worker are paid justly.

Equating non-believer and enemy of God is wrong.
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Justice is lawfulness, that is why that word is used.

Even the believer may fall into mortal sin becoming inimical to God. Since man has a conscience, given by God, to know what is wrong or right to do, and God always is helping mankind, it is possible still to do what is right. The Catechism teaches:

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337​
 
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