Why I am a Catholic vegan

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I am sorry that I did not read this entire thread and am posting regardless. Life is short! 🙂

I just wanted to say that my family is vegan, and I wouldn’t mind answering any questions that anyone has about it.

With love,
Pete
 
Pete_Holter said:
I am sorry that I did not read this entire thread and am posting regardless. Life is short! 🙂

I just wanted to say that my family is vegan, and I wouldn’t mind answering any questions that anyone has about it.

With love,
Pete
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How do you justify the killing of innocent factory farmed plant materials to maintain your lifestyle? These poor plants are raised in conditions that or so unnatural to them. They are raised in close proximity to each other, to close for them to branch out and develop properly. They are subjected to the elements 24 hours a day. They are raised for the sole purpose of being killed, no enjoyment of life, no reproduction, no satifaction. They are sheared from the earth in a violent manner, no rendering unconscience or anything, just cut off.

Is that fair to a plant? PLANTS HAVE RIGHTS TOO!!

It a little bigoted to leave out an entire segment of God’s creation just because plant breath CO2 and claim that they aren’t worth saving by living a lifestyle that uses only them.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
How do you justify the killing of innocent factory farmed plant materials to maintain your lifestyle?
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Good day Sean!

My conscience is not bothered by eating plants because God gave us the plants to eat from the beginning of creation. It is the way He made us.

On the sixth day, God saw that everything was “very good”. And I understand this to mean that, not only the nature of things as they are in themselves, but also the ordered relationships that existed between all created things - before the fall - were “very good”.
 
Pete_Holter said:
Good day Sean!

My conscience is not bothered by eating plants because God gave us the plants to eat from the beginning of creation. It is the way He made us.

On the sixth day, God saw that everything was “very good”. And I understand this to mean that, not only the nature of things as they are in themselves, but also the ordered relationships that existed between all created things - before the fall - were “very good”.
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The same answers can be applied to those who consume meat and use animal byproducts. Where is the difference between animals rights and plant right. Where does God say that animals are a higher order than anything else and that we need to not eat them?

After the fall, the world around us wasn’t so bad either. “the natural ordered relationships” that existed haven’t change since then.

Your making a choice, right or wrong, that is outside that natural order as God intended.

If it works for you, great. Does everyone need to be vegan to do the will of God, NOPE! No more so than people need to stop growing and killing plants to eat.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
The same answers can be applied to those who consume meat and use animal byproducts.
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If this were true, one would be able to bring forward evidence that God provided animals as food for humans before the fall. Since what I said relied on the biblical record of creation, the same answers cannot be applied.
Sean_Boyle said:
“the natural ordered relationships” that existed haven’t change since then.
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I agree and I think that this point actually serves in favor of veganism. The relationships established by God at creation between all of His creatures are a pure reflection of His will. So it is not that “the natural ordered relationships” have changed, but rather that disordered relationships have been introduced.
 
I eat meat and every fall, I often butcher it myself. That horrifies my coworkers for some reason. I use as much of the animal as is possible, and always thank God for his providence. I obviously don’t think that there’s anything wrong with this, and this has been a way of life for my immediate and extended family for hundreds of years.

I also need to eat more fruits and vegetables, but I’m working on it. I have nothing against vegetarians/vegans as long as they don’t get all self-righteous about it, which most on this forum are not, I’m glad to see! I recognize that vegans might be healthier than I am, but I’m happy striking a middle ground.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
The same answers can be applied to those who consume meat and use animal byproducts. Where is the difference between animals rights and plant right. Where does God say that animals are a higher order than anything else and that we need to not eat them?

After the fall, the world around us wasn’t so bad either. “the natural ordered relationships” that existed haven’t change since then.

Your making a choice, right or wrong, that is outside that natural order as God intended.

If it works for you, great. Does everyone need to be vegan to do the will of God, NOPE! No more so than people need to stop growing and killing plants to eat.
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If you eat the fruit that drops from the tree, how would that be harming the plant?
 
Pete_Holter said:
If this were true, one would be able to bring forward evidence that God provided animals as food for humans before the fall. Since what I said relied on the biblical record of creation, the same answers cannot be applied.

I agree and I think that this point actually serves in favor of veganism. The relationships established by God at creation between all of His creatures are a pure reflection of His will. So it is not that “the natural ordered relationships” have changed, but rather that disordered relationships have been introduced.
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This is an example of where the religion of veganism steps away from belief in the one true God.

Where did God forbid the consumption of animals as food? Since we live after the fall, frame the answer in that light. When speaking of “the natural order of things” one is only speaking of the physical world. Where is proof that humans are not omnivores in history? Scientific proof! Now since it don’t exist. What is natural behavior in humans, veganism or an omnivore?

Veganism will not restore mankind to God’s presents as it was before the fall. The implied idea that eating meat keeps us from the true presents of God is too far flung to consider for rational human beings.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
This is an example of where the religion of veganism steps away from belief in the one true God.

Where did God forbid the consumption of animals as food? Since we live after the fall, frame the answer in that light. When speaking of “the natural order of things” one is only speaking of the physical world. Where is proof that humans are not omnivores in history? Scientific proof! Now since it don’t exist. What is natural behavior in humans, veganism or an omnivore?

Veganism will not restore mankind to God’s presents as it was before the fall. The implied idea that eating meat keeps us from the true presents of God is too far flung to consider for rational human beings.
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I am not pushing the religious aspect of vegetarianism. But I still think it is better to eat as many vegetables as you can.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
This is an example of where the religion of veganism steps away from belief in the one true God.

Where did God forbid the consumption of animals as food? Since we live after the fall, frame the answer in that light. When speaking of “the natural order of things” one is only speaking of the physical world. Where is proof that humans are not omnivores in history? Scientific proof! Now since it don’t exist. What is natural behavior in humans, veganism or an omnivore?

Veganism will not restore mankind to God’s presents as it was before the fall. The implied idea that eating meat keeps us from the true presents of God is too far flung to consider for rational human beings.
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Hey Sean,

Your questions appear to be rhetorical, so I won’t respond. But if you really have a question or comment that you would like me to respond to, please let me know!

May the LORD be with you!
 
bobzills said:
If you eat the fruit that drops from the tree, how would that be harming the plant?
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The plant will not be allowed to reproduce naturally. Anything said to defend animal right can also be said to defend plant rights.

The point of this line of thinking, plants rights, was to point out the absurdity of this line of thinking when its used for an animal rights defense.

If animals have rights that can’t be infringed upon then so do plants. Animals are not higher order of life, not higher then plants or insects for that matter? Do animals deserve special rights not afforded to the rest of creation? NO, they are all part of that same creation which God gave dominion to man over to use in a respectful way.
 
Sean_Boyle said:
The plant will not be allowed to reproduce naturally.
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If you eat only some of he fruits which drop, and not all of them, the plant will still be allowed to reproduce naturally. And except for one tree, where in the Bible does it say that we cannot eat the fruit which drops from a tree?
 
bobzills said:
If you eat only some of he fruits which drop, and not all of them, the plant will still be allowed to reproduce naturally. And except for one tree, where in the Bible does it say that we cannot eat the fruit which drops from a tree?
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Are you serving up softballs, bobzills?

Assume fruits and animals are the same in the eyes of God. The tree produces more fruit than is needed to sustain the species, same as in the animal world. More animals are born each year than are need to resupply the species, so we can consume some and allow the rest to sustain the species for future use within a natural cycle.

We are meant to consume both plants and animals. It’s how God intended it.
 
bobzills said:
I don;t see where that is what God intended. For example, I don;t see anything wrong with eating only vegetables.
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Nothing wrong with it. It’s a personal choice. Nothing wrong with being a meat eater either.

The idea that is presented sometimes that a vegan diet is better in some way is always wrong.
 
I’m not vegan (and probably will never be so), but I’ve slowly started becoming vegetarian. The only reason I’m not vegetarian yet is because right now I’m trying to gain weight, and I really need to eat red meat in order to do that. Hopefully within a few years I’ll be able to be vegetarian. I completely disagree with the way factory farm animals are treated, and want no part in it.
 
bobzills said:
I believe that this is not true, because of a news article that reports that a vegan diet reverses diabetes symptoms. So there are some cases, when a vegan diet is better.
abcnews.go.com/Health/Diabetes/wireStory?id=2244647
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Better in some respects for a small percentage of people, not better for everyone. A diet containing some meat is recommended for everyone according to the FDA.

Allow me to rephase the statement…

Veganism is not a higher plain of spiritual development as some seem to claim as the reason for the change in diet.

If the reason for the change is a sacrifice and the issue of how animals are raised and/or slaughtered is not the reason for the change then giving up meat is a sacrifice. Otherwise its just a personal choice with no bearing on the soul of the person.
 
I am a vegetarian (although not a vegan), and I am Catholic.
I was hoping that this thread would contain responses from other Catholics who also refrain from eating meat. I was surprised that most of the posts in this thread were not from vegetarians or from vegans. Most of the responses are from non-vegetarians! Some simply justify meat-eating, others poke fun at vegetarians, and some seem downright hostile towards vegetarians. I don’t understand why these types of responses are in this thread. Why not simply create a new thread for “anti-vegetarian viewpoints”? I was frightened by the note from someone who quoted a section of the catechism, then concluded that vegetarians are not Catholic. I hope that it is not true! I suppose that I will have to ask my priest about it. I don’t talk about my vegetarianism very much at church, but I have not made a secret of it either. Noone has told me that I am not Catholic because I am vegetarian.
At any rate, I hope that there are at least a few others out there, who, like me, have chosen not to eat meat. It would be nice if there would be someway to connect with others who have chosen this lifestyle.
Take care, all.
 
sodak said:
I eat meat and every fall, I often butcher it myself. That horrifies my coworkers for some reason.
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It horrifies me. I could never eat a butchered animal. I prefer steak and chops.

Waiting…
 
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