Why I am a Catholic vegan

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milimac:
Obviously you have not seen the movie “Chicken Run”. It is quite clear that chickens wish to escape this mundane farm life and be free. Free to fly and sing and dance and make merry with their friends. You might say chickens don’t do this, but watch this documentary – it’s a real eye-opener which exposes the evil motives of farmers that seek to keep chickens in bondage, and yes, even kill them for the almighty dollar. It is animated so as to reduce the graphic violence and so you can share this important story with your children, which I encourage you to do. Also, since we do not have as sophisticated a language as the chickens, concerned human actors, including Mel Gibson, have lent their voices so all of us can become more educated on this serious issue.

(Uh, by the way, this was all tongue-in-cheek.)
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This actually reflects a thought I’ve had. I’ve wondered if Disney and other children’s movies have something to do with the widespread vegetarianism these days. These movies portray animals essentially fas urry people. Most kids are able to see the movies for what they are, but some are just too impressionable.

The movie “Brother Bear” was the worst offender, in my opinion, when a man chooses to give up his humanity because he decides that being a wild animal is just as good. The “moral of the story” seems to be that animals and humans could get along great if they could just see that they are really the same inside. Ugh.
 
Bquinnan,

You wrote: “I would suspect this is the exception rather than the rule – if everyone who grew up on a farm was turned off to meat, there would be few farmers left.”

I think you’re right. But notice that in the case that Almeria gave, that girl wasn’t raised on a farm: her Grandpa had a farm, and so presumably she merely visited. To me, this is a classic case of living in fantasy-land, maybe brought on by cute pictures of bunny-wabbits and Disney characterizations. I’m afraid I know some adults (mostly female) who haven’t grown up in that regard at all, including the mother of a friend of mine who is reduced to tears by seeing road-kills, who says that she doesn’t want to think about how the animals she eats arrived on her plate (presumably if she doesn’t think about unpleasant things, they cease to exist), who hates the idea of hunting. However, according to my friend her daughter, she doesn’t feel bad about unpleasantness happening to humans because, as she puts it, “they have a choice”. (And speaking of choice, she is pro-abortion.)

I was raised on a farm. Our animals (beef cattle, chickens, turkeys, pigs, etc.) were well taken care of, as were those of our neighbors. We learned pretty quickly not to make dear pets among the meat chickens and other animals destined for slaughter, but that doesn’t mean we weren’t fond of them all, meat animals or not. Maybe as a result of that upbringing, I just have no patience at all with the kind of clap-trap sentimentality that results in the case given of the little girl being so traumatized by the reality of the cute calf turning into a cow and then into steaks, that she becomes a vegetarian. Grow up, is all I can say…
 
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lewlo:
There are sheep in the fields to the east of me, I can hear roosters crowing all day to the west of me, pigs in the fields north of me and corn fields out my front door (which is south.) I can buy fresh brown eggs for a $1 a dozen 3 houses west or 5 houses east. My friend sells free range beef that is tender and delicious. Now, since it’s not a sin, how could I pass any of this up? Isn’t it like this everywhere, or only in Indiana? 🙂 Lori
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Sounds like Heaven to me. Yummy. 😉
 
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Apologia100:
Can you please stop skewing this conversation with the facts please.
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Now that’s funny…don’t tell me…let me guess…youre a …liberal.

P.S. Animals taste good, and I lika to eat em.
 
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Sherlock:
Maybe as a result of that upbringing, I just have no patience at all with the kind of clap-trap sentimentality that results in the case given of the little girl being so traumatized by the reality of the cute calf turning into a cow and then into steaks, that she becomes a vegetarian. Grow up, is all I can say…
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I had a friend whose kids (when they were very young) asked him where he took the pigs from their farm. He used to tell that he took them to a man who traded him for pork. I thought that was a cute response.

Mary had a little lamb.
It was delicious.

Now I’m getting hungry… 😉
 
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rheins2000:
Now that’s funny…don’t tell me…let me guess…youre a …liberal.

P.S. Animals taste good, and I lika to eat em.
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If being pro-life, pro-business, pro-capital punishment (in limited cases), pro-family, pro-gun, pro-pope, and pro-barbeque makes me a liberal, call me whatever you want. 😃
 
Wow, you Vegans really have a lot of extra time and money on your hands that could be better spent in other areas. The extra money spent on specialized groceries (to replace the necessary supplements and vitamins from meat) and all the time spent researching your frivolous views could be put to much more charitable uses. Frankly, it offends me.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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Catholicvegan:
A lot of people think that being a vegetarian is weird. Many people probably also think that being a vegan is being a tree-hugging nut, right? Well, I am here to tell you that I became a vegan for simple moral reasons. I became a vegetarian first, followed by going on to veganism. I learned about a meat industry that abuses most animals, and how their life is miserable until they are inhumanely killed. I encourage everyone here to explore vegetarianism and maybe even veganism. Here are some sites to get you started, or at least thinking.

www.peta.org
www.goveg.org
www.meetyourmeat.com
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Would you say vegans, on average, are pro life or pro abortion?
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I can’t help but notice that the originator of this thread, Catholicvegan, hasn’t exactly rushed forward with logical arguments to support her contention (I’m making the assumption Catholicvegan is female, but I may wrong) that being a vegan is a moral choice—as she puts it, “Well, I am here to tell you that I became a vegan for simple moral reasons”. Hey, Catholicvegan, if you’re out there—how do you answer those of us who dispute the logic of your position?
 
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Sherlock:
I can’t help but notice that the originator of this thread, Catholicvegan, hasn’t exactly rushed forward with logical arguments to support her contention (I’m making the assumption Catholicvegan is female, but I may wrong) that being a vegan is a moral choice—as she puts it, “Well, I am here to tell you that I became a vegan for simple moral reasons”. Hey, Catholicvegan, if you’re out there—how do you answer those of us who dispute the logic of your position?
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plus it’s weird that no one voted on the poll as a vegan…?
 
Catholic Vegan…I can see it now. The animals will have organizations that want mariage to be a mariage,and not a civil union after we have given them the respect they deserve because they are different. Ok, that was way out there. I would like to be there when you are standing before God and you are telling him that the sacrfice of the lamb was all wrong, I guess Abaham and the rest of the jewish community is in hell?
 
Sgreiwe,

You wrote: “I would like to be there when you are standing before God and you are telling him that the sacrfice of the lamb was all wrong, I guess Abaham and the rest of the jewish community is in hell?”

Tsk, tsk, tsk…that was THEN, you know, back when people were, like, so GROSS, I mean, like—eeeeeyeeeww! Today, we are like, so advanced? So, like, we don’t hafta like, kill anything? We’re like, so-o-o-o-o much smarter than that gross Abraham, like, whatever…
 
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Sherlock:
Sgreiwe,

You wrote: “I would like to be there when you are standing before God and you are telling him that the sacrfice of the lamb was all wrong, I guess Abaham and the rest of the jewish community is in hell?”

Tsk, tsk, tsk…that was THEN, you know, back when people were, like, so GROSS, I mean, like—eeeeeyeeeww! Today, we are like, so advanced? So, like, we don’t hafta like, kill anything? We’re like, so-o-o-o-o much smarter than that gross Abraham, like, whatever…
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So, if you are opposed to partaking of animal products that are killed for our convenience, it is okay to eat animals that die of old age? How about roadkill, where does that fit it?
 
“So, if you are opposed to partaking of animal products that are killed for our convenience, it is okay to eat animals that die of old age? How about roadkill, where does that fit it?”

Eeeeeeyeeewww! You are like, SO not awesome (said in my best Britney Spears imitation). I suppose you are going to ask me to use, like, logic or whatever?

Seriously, I would like for CatholicVegan and the other sentimental types to come back and answer some of the arguments that have been brought to bear against the idea that being a vegan is a “moral” choice. I would like for Triciafrancess to respond to my answer to her claim that chickens had their beaks cut off.
 
There is a good reason for our species, Homo Sapiens, to be an omnivore. Hebivores, that is, animals that eat exclusively uncooked plant and vegetable matter, have a far thicker layer of enamel on their teeth. This is because the dirt and grit associated with the grazing of the leaves would eventually destroy the animal’s teeth if it wasn’t protected by this extra enamel.

Carnivores, exclusively meat eaters, have canine teeth - the long and heavy ones that are designed for tearing the meat.

Homo Sapiens does have “canines” but they are smaller. We also have enamel, but less than a herbivore. Our teeth are middle of the road and can eat both, hence Omnivore.

Being as God designed us that way, I suggest that while not expressly against God’s will, vetegarianism/veganism is a moral construct some choose to use, but is not an absolute.
 
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RomanRyan1088:
Hi, ummm… whats a Vegan?
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Someone who lives on Vega, of course. Or maybe someone who drives a Vega. It could be someone who lives in Vegas…

Then again it could be some poor misguided soul who chooses to ignore many of the wonderful foods that God has provided (meat, fish, fowl, eggs, milk, etc. etc.).

I guess it is someone who lives on Vega… 😉
 
I have no porblem with vegans or vegitarians because i think people have a right to eat or not eat what they want…However, what does really bother me is vegan parents who make their children be such. I honestly think that the portien from meat is essential for building a strong body, epecially for young boys who grow like weeds. They need all the nutrients that this planet can afford to fule a healthy growth. It is well and good to be nice to animals when you have those resources, but I think St. Francis would agree that the health of children is far more important than some dumb animal.
 
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tru_dvotion:
H2SO4= hydrochloric acid:D
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actually, sulphuric acid; which is even worse than hydrochloric acid.

Interesting sidenote: Your stomach makes a 3 Molar hydrochloric (HCl) solution to digest food.
 
catholicvegan I have a question for you. first Im hypoglycemic, when hungery I need to eat to balance out my low blood sugar, starches and carbs hardly work, I need protein. second I have an extremely high propensity to for oxalate kidney stones, plant protein like soy nad peanuts are loaded with oxalate so they are a big no no for me, but animal protein has no oxalate. if you had my 2 conditions that I stated in this post, what would you do? how owuld you handle it? you are young now, but someday when you are older this may be your problem too, better think on it at least a little bit.
 
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