Why I am Drifting from Catholicism to Islam

[Glaucon]

No I have not, I am looking for help.

No, you’re not. You’re looking for drama.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

You think it’s sort of funny, huh?
Very lame of you, very dense of you, very bigoted of you.
Poor you.

So, are you a “cathar” Catharina?

 

[Glaucon]

So, are you a “cathar” Catharina?

What’s a “cathar” again?

 

[wth1257]

Well, you’ve certainly got the “poor little me” victimhood part of being a moslem down! Bravo.

No victim hood, a “description”

You described yourself as a nominal at best Catholic Christian, by not fully believing in the Holy Trinity.

Mother Theresa had difficulties believing in God and his love for her, was she a nominal Catholic?

You have yet to back this up with citation, you won’t because no such document exists, but please continue the façade all you wish

You describe yourself as “islamish” in your sig.

No, I have a selection of poetry in my sig

You are being simpleminded in claiming to be both Christian and islamish and “having difficulties with” the Holy Trinity simultaneously!

I’m not claiming o be anything, I am claiming to have been raised Catholic with difficulties in faith.

I can only work with what you tell me! So tell me, what are your “primary intellectual causes” for whatever it is that they’re “causes” for?

Please, I may talk to members here about my concerns via PM, I clearly cannot bring my concerns to the public sphere.

My thread has been trolled beyond redemption, I have been personally attacked, and the few genuine people here have been drowned out.

 

[wth1257]

No, you’re not. You’re looking for drama.

“forget” you

 

[CatsAndDogs]

CatsAndDogs;3815130:

To be heterodox is to be NOT Catholic. Is that a problem for you to understand?

Hans Kung has Heterodox beliefs, Rome has not seen fit to revoke his Priesthood.

He is not heterodox about the Holy Trinity. If he were he would be defacto excommunicated.

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Do you believe in the Holy Trinity or not? If you don’t, you are not Christian. What, therefore, do you mean by “having difficulties with”?

At the moment, I have difficulty believing in it

Do you have trouble believing that it IS true and that the Church is wrong, or do you just have trouble understanding how it can be true?

In other words: Is the Church wrong about the Trinity, or are you wrong (about the Trinity) and simply not understanding how the Church is correct?

 

[wth1257]

He is not heterodox about the Holy Trinity. If he were he would be defacto excommunicated.

Based on what document?

He denies that infallibility of the Church, claims Mary veneration came from appeasement of Eastern Paganism, and compared PJPII to an authoritarian ruler.

I have never gone so far

Do you have trouble believing that it IS true and that the Church is wrong, or do you just have trouble understanding how it can be true?

I have trouble believing it is true.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

What’s a “cathar” again?

newadvent.org/cathen/01267e.htm

Albigenses
(From Albi, Latin Albiga, the present capital of the Department of Tarn).

A neo-Manichæan sect that flourished in southern France in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. The name Albigenses, given them by the Council of Tours (1163) prevailed towards the end of the twelfth century and was for a long time applied to all the heretics of the south of France. They were also called Catharists (katharos, pure), though in reality they were only a branch of the Catharistic movement.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CatsAndDogs
You described yourself as a nominal at best Catholic Christian, by not fully believing in the Holy Trinity.

Mother Theresa had difficulties believing in God and his love for her, was she a nominal Catholic?

You have yet to back this up with citation, you won’t because no such document exists, but please continue the façade all you wish

Mother Teresa had vast stretches of “dryness”. She never doubted God’s being who He said He was, AS He said He was.

Please tell me what it is I need to “cite” as far as documentation is concerned to help you out?

 

[Glaucon]

newadvent.org/cathen/01267e.htm

Albigenses
(From Albi, Latin Albiga, the present capital of the Department of Tarn).

A neo-Manichæan sect that flourished in southern France in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. The name Albigenses, given them by the Council of Tours (1163) prevailed towards the end of the twelfth century and was for a long time applied to all the heretics of the south of France. They were also called Catharists (katharos, pure), though in reality they were only a branch of the Catharistic movement.

That should explain her stubbornness. Since when did it become “un-Catholic” to tell the truth, no matter how much it hurts?

Un-Hippycatholic? Most likely. But un-Catholic, no.

 

[Steven_John]

This is the internet. People are gonna say what they want.
It’s an anonymous and safe way to be really ugly.

My point is this. If anyone presents “attitude” against Islam and also tries to pretend that he/she is free to do that as a CATHOLIC, I’m here to say: THAT’S A LIE.

It’s SO simple.

I am in agreement with your post and understand your points.

We would all do well to consider no one has animity here on he www My God sees all.

May God bless you and yours for your seeking peace.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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I can only work with what you tell me! So tell me, what are your “primary intellectual causes” for whatever it is that they’re “causes” for?

Please, I may talk to members here about my concerns via PM, I clearly cannot bring my concerns to the public sphere.

My thread has been trolled beyond redemption, I have been personally attacked, and the few genuine people here have been drowned out.

You have been personally victimized by yourself, which is a favorite sport of moslems, it seems.

Best to you, and our prayers are with you that you choose the quickest path back to God in His Church with as little time as possible foundering on some demon’s backyard playset.

 

[Glaucon]

I am in agreement with your post and understand your points.

We would all do well to consider no one has animity here on he www My God sees all.

May God bless you and yours for your seeking peace.

No, friend, contrary to what she just said, it’s not that simple. She’s merely being P.C., and being P.C. never solves anything in the long run.

 

[wth1257]

You have been personally victimized by yourself, which is a favorite sport of moslems, it seems.

Best to you, and our prayers are with you that you choose the quickest path back to God in His Church with as little time as possible foundering on some demon’s backyard playset.

I’m not really complaining. I’m stating fact, which I can easily document, and which has persuaded me to not feed any more fuel to this thread.

It will burn itself out, untill then I was stay to reply to outright falsehood.

 

[wth1257]

Mother Teresa had vast stretches of “dryness”. She never doubted God’s being who He said He was, AS He said He was.

Please tell me what it is I need to “cite” as far as documentation is concerned to help you out?

That having doubts about the Trinity automatically excommunicates me. Your claim, so far as I can tell

 

[R_not]

I am in agreement with your post and understand your points.

We would all do well to consider no one has animity here on he www My God sees all.

May God bless you and yours for your seeking peace.

There will be no peace by being ignorant of the truth. It has been proven time and again in many lands, in different times.

As for trolling - this is in response to wth1257 - This is now the third time I bring this up. It is you who don’t want the answers unless they fit into what you want to hear. It is a ruse to say you are searching since so many have tried to help you and all I read from your posts is the usual muslim responses.

What I think is happening is that you are proving to your muslim buddies how good a job you can do while pretending to be searching for whatever questions you say you have.

I don’t believe you anymore about your quest.

I think she wants to control the situation and she isn’t feeling holy with all of this discussion of something that she doesn’t want to hear. It would make her have to do something - and history has proven that many are more like her than not. I wish there was a smiley face that looked like an ostrich with its head in the sand. It would be very appropriate.

 

[Steven_John]

No, friend, contrary to what she just said, it’s not that simple. She’s merely being P.C., and being P.C. never solves anything in the long run.

Peace be to you and yours,

we have discussed b4 that i aint a bright crayon in this box LOL

HELP what does P.C mean?

 

[Glaucon]

There will be no peace by being ignorant of the truth. It has been proven time and again in many lands, in different times.

As for trolling - this is in response to wth1257 - This is now the third time I bring this up. It is you who don’t want the answers unless they fit into what you want to hear. It is a ruse to say you are searching since so many have tried to help you and all I read from your posts is the usual muslim responses.

What I think is happening is that you are proving to your muslim buddies how good a job you can do while pretending to be searching for whatever questions you say you have.

I don’t believe you anymore about your quest.

I think she wants to control the situation and she isn’t feeling holy with all of this discussion of something that she doesn’t want to hear. It would make her have to do something - and history has proven that many are more like her than not. I wish there was a smiley face that looked like an ostrich with its head in the sand. It would be very appropriate.

Oh, speaking of which, here’s a little something from our BFF,

Hans Kung (of all people)!

B16, a challenger has appeared! LOL

 

[Glaucon]

Peace be to you and yours,

we have discussed b4 that i aint a bright crayon in this box LOL

HELP what does P.C mean?

Here, Stephen John, this link should help:

Wikipedia article on being P.C., or politically correct.

Or, if you must have my version, to be P.C. is to water down the truth regarding something, especially if the truth has the potential to offend.

Here are a few simple examples:

Fat = “horizontally challenged”
Ugly = “facially challenged”
Old = “chronologically gifted”

And so on.

Cheers!

 

[wth1257]

I posted numerous criticisms of Islam, four I believe.

What I think is happening is that you are proving to your muslim buddies how good a job you can do while pretending to be searching for whatever questions you say you have.

That is so obtuse I don’t know where to start.

I don’t believe you anymore about your quest.

I think she wants to control the situation and she isn’t feeling holy with all of this discussion of something that she doesn’t want to hear. It would make her have to do something - and history has proven that many are more like her than not. I wish there was a smiley face that looked like an ostrich with its head in the sand. It would be very appropriate.

How many Muslims do you know personally and are friends with?