Why I Am Not A Roman Catholic

[East_Anglican]

Yes, exactly. Or are you a Donatist, too?

Donatus had some good points but like all heretics, he went overboard.

 

[East_Anglican]

East Anglican isn’t even Anglican. If he/she were, such questions would not be asked. another deception in here, no doubt.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[East_Anglican]

East Anglican,

Are you an Anglican priest?

Not yet.

It one reads the BCP you will find “Another Christian may be asked to hear a confession, but it must be made clear to the penitent that absolution will not be pronounced; instead, a declaration of forgiveness is provided.” Only a priest or bishop may offer absolution. If I am asked as a Christian to hear “John’s” Confession, I must make it very clear that I can offer “John” forgiveness but only a priest can offer “John” absolution.

What you are saying is not in the catichism or the 39 Articles.

Please review page 446 of the BCP 1979 regarding the Reconcilation of a Penitent.

We don’t have a 1979 BCP in the CofE. It’s 1962 or common worship 2000. There is ASB 1980 but it is now is now unauthorised.

Anglican doctrine is decided by Scripture, tradition and reason. The BCP is not the final authority.

 

[East_Anglican]

Your point is well taken, but I doubt EA has a 1979 book to hand.

I’m American, and I don’t use it, either.

GKC

Exactly.

Also some of the things American Anglicans come out with I actually wonder if they are Anglican.

 

[Peter_J]

Better watch yourself P, or you’ll be called before the “Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith” to answer for your heresies.

Well, I’m glad you at least called it by it’s right name, the “Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith”, and not “the Holy Office of the Inquisition”.

 

[Sabbath_Keeper]

Well, I’m glad you at least called it by it’s right name, the “Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith”, and not “the Holy Office of the Inquisition”.

According to some RCC authors it’s the same institution only under a different name. Talk to the Pope, he used to be the Cardinal in charge, don’t know the title.

 

[GKC]

Exactly.

Also some of the things American Anglicans come out with I actually wonder if they are Anglican.

American Anglicans, in the official, Anglican Communion sense, are called Episcopalians. I wonder if some of them are properly called Christian.

Me, I’m not an Episcopalian. I’m another sort of Anglican

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus

 

[GKC]

GKC,

What does your BCP say about Reconcilation of a Penitent?

God Bless!

Reconciliation is not mentioned, though confesson is, in the 1928 BCP. There are not many things I like about the 79 book, but page 446 is one of the few.

GKC

 

[mercygate]

Reconciliation is not mentioned, though confesson is, in the 1928 BCP. There are not many things I like about the 79 book, but page 446 is one of the few.

GKC

Before the 1979 book, we practiced sacramental confession in response to the second exhortation that enjoins examination of conscience and reconciliation with any whom one has offended and then states:

And because it is requisite that no man should come to the holy Communion, but with a full trust in God’s mercy, and with a quiet conscience; therefore, if there be any of you, who by this means cannot quiet his own conscience herein, but requireth further comfort or counsel, **let him come to me, or to some other Minister of God’s Word, and open his grief; that he may receive such godly counsel and advice, as may tend to the quieting of his conscience, and the removing of all scruple and doubtfulness. **

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Now, this does not specifically refer to confession to a priest, but it certainly does not EXCLUDE the exercise of the priestly power of absolution.

In my seminary, the inscription high on the wall around the choir read (in Latin) Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek; whose sins you forgive are forgiven, whose sins you retain are retained.

The place was built in the 1870s or '80s.

 

[GKC]

Before the 1979 book, we practiced sacramental confession in response to the second exhortation that enjoins examination of conscience and reconciliation with any whom one has offended and then states:

And because it is requisite that no man should come to the holy Communion, but with a full trust in God’s mercy, and with a quiet conscience; therefore, if there be any of you, who by this means cannot quiet his own conscience herein, but requireth further comfort or counsel, **let him come to me, or to some other Minister of God’s Word, and open his grief; that he may receive such godly counsel and advice, as may tend to the quieting of his conscience, and the removing of all scruple and doubtfulness. **

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Now, this does not specifically refer to confession to a priest, but it certainly does not EXCLUDE the exercise of the priestly power of absolution.

In my seminary, the inscription high on the wall around the choir read (in Latin) Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek; whose sins you forgive are forgiven, whose sins you retain are retained.

The place was built in the 1870s or '80s.

Yes, I know. That’s the reference I as referring to, in the main.

My priest would dearly love to have sufficient cause to construct a traditional confessional, but, though doubtless all may, few actually do.

That inscription is posted, in English, in my church, too.

GKC

 

[mercygate]

Yes, I know. That’s the reference I as referring to, in the main.

My priest would dearly love to have sufficient cause to construct a traditional confessional, but, though doubtless all may, few actually do.

That inscription is posted, in English, in my church, too.

GKC

My Episcopal church had a confessional box. But my confessor, at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in NYC did it at the altar rail, as most Episcopalians do. His twist was that he used a Byzantine form and KNELT BESIDE ME. He was my confessor for 18 years. What a saint! It was because of his outstanding ministry of this sacrament that I DREADED confession as practiced in the Catholic Church. However, five months into the game, I found a confessor who is OUTSTANDING. He hears my confessions by appointment.

Sentimental touch. My mentor, an Anglican bishop , left me the furnishings of his country chapel. I gave his white-on-one-side/violet-on-the-other stole to Monsignor, and he wears it to hear my confessions. :bighanky:

 

[sambos671]

American Anglicans, in the official, Anglican Communion sense, are called Episcopalians. I wonder if some of them are properly called Christian.

Me, I’m not an Episcopalian. I’m another sort of Anglican

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus

I know there is a strong Episcopalian movement to be under some of the African Leadership because of their convervative stance. I thing the larger part of the American Episcopalian movement will be out of communion with England in short order.

 

[GKC]

I know there is a strong Episcopalian movement to be under some of the African Leadership because of their convervative stance. I thing the larger part of the American Episcopalian movement will be out of communion with England in short order.

My sort of Anglican has not been in communion with +Cantaur for nigh unto 30 years.

GKC

 

[GKC]

My Episcopal church had a confessional box. But my confessor, at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in NYC did it at the altar rail, as most Episcopalians do. His twist was that he used a Byzantine form and KNELT BESIDE ME. He was my confessor for 18 years. What a saint! It was because of his outstanding ministry of this sacrament that I DREADED confession as practiced in the Catholic Church. However, five months into the game, I found a confessor who is OUTSTANDING. He hears my confessions by appointment.

Sentimental touch. My mentor, an Anglican bishop , left me the furnishings of his country chapel. I gave his white-on-one-side/violet-on-the-other stole to Monsignor, and he wears it to hear my confessions. :bighanky:

Now that is continuity.

GKC

 

[Soutane]

So Nestorious could do something I can’t? Amazing!

Is this a deliberate non-sequitor?Or do you truly believe that your answer makes sense?
Although,eventually a heretic,he certainly was a priest and therefore had the God given ability to forgive sin.His heresy did not impede his sacramental authority.

 

[Scottgun]

Better watch yourself P, or you’ll be called before the “Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith” to answer for your heresies.

Actually, this is a wonderful example of our enemies being so eager to attack Christ’s Church that they don’t mind contradicting themselves to do it. That is to say, on Monday they will rail about how the Church controls the faithful with an iron grip, hauls them before merciless inquiries, and metes out harsh punishment. On Tuesday they complain about how liberal the Church is because the Holy Father himself doesn’t fly to Bumhole, Arkansas with twelve Swiss guards in tow to correct a parish priest with some fluffy ideas about the Trinity.

 

[GailMac]

Dear East Anglican - you state:“My understanding of Jesus breathing on them and saying “Recieve the Spirit” is that at that moment they were born again. As they were born again they could forgive sins, as we are born again so can we.” Very good start. They, the Apostles, were “re-born” in a Sacrament we call Ordination and given what we still have. Would you care to join us? Go to Confession and do exactly as your Confessor instructs you. I hope you do.

Peace,

Gail

 

[chris_molter]

Better watch yourself P, or you’ll be called before the “Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith” to answer for your heresies.

Right, because if you were a Baptist pastor and decided to start teaching the Immaculate Conception from the pulpit, the SBC would just smile and leave it be.

All churches have their “Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith”. Ours is just more organized. It has to be. There are lots and lots of us.

 

[Scottgun]

Right, because if you were a Baptist pastor and decided to start teaching the Immaculate Conception from the pulpit, the SBC would just smile and leave it be.

All churches have their “Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith”. Ours is just more organized. It has to be. There are lots and lots of us.

Good point. Try this test: volunteer to teach at your non-Catholic church in any capacity but use The Book of Mormon, the JW’s New World Translation, or Alister Crowley’s *Magick. *Report back how fast a committee was formed for the purpose of handing you your butt.

 

[sambos671]

Good point. Try this test: volunteer to teach at your non-Catholic church in any capacity but use The Book of Mormon, the JW’s New World Translation, or Alister Crowley’s *Magick. *Report back how fast a committee was formed for the purpose of handing you your butt.

On the other hand a woman I work with who is a catholic who give communion to the elderly not able to go to mass believes that since Jesus was human he was also a sinner. Go figure.