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elvisman
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**So, are you Pentecostal? Catholic? **
It’s still rather vague.
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It’s still rather vague.
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Steven_John
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No there is a difference maybe its my English again.
I offered an opinion that does not make you equal to my opinion.
I have tried to explain i don’t really know you, i only know some of your posts.
I dont find Catholics arrogant, nor do i find God arrogant, nor do i find the Catholic church arrogant but you seem to imply you are representing how the church is.
Maybe it is in your parish.
Hang on maybe my English is in the way and arrogant is not a good word.
I see you as having an opinion of your importance or use to God that is exaggerated.
The Catholic church, or any other denomination would consider they are on the closest track to the narrow door or they would be correcting them selves. The same as the prodigal son believed it was best he return to the father.
I see the Catholic church today as doing that, the papa calls for people to get into the word, in days of old only priests could interoperate scripture. This is one example.
Now by doing this the Catholic church shows it self to be humble not arrogant as i have defined it.
I also see the Catholic church as real keen to help people by meeting them where they are at and build them up to be a member of the One True Church. When it comes to social justice she aint perfect but she rocks. Take Vinnies for an example.
Please quote your words from this thread where you have lovingly encouraged anyone you see as lost, many posts, many quotes.
Do you bring lots of people to RCIA each year? If you have the answers you may have the fruit.
The Catholic church does not have all the answers but is humbly bettering herself, i want to do the same, but you are the guy that in this thread speaks like one knows it all.
I dont get it right but try, my religion is specified as “aspiring” because i dont know all so am careful with my words you on the other hand say to me
well i think you will be hard pressed to find many people who know NOTHING of the Catholic faith.
(I have qualified my opinion to be truth by the brown pants analogy or you would have disputed it.)
Now in kindness this is how we differ only based on my assumption, (b4 u become pedantic it may not be true of you but in truth it is my assumption)
i actually assume you did not mean NOTHING but really meant you know more than me.
If you had meant nothing you would be accountable as we are not to bear false witness.
Bearing false witness even by accident makes a longer path to bearing fruit.
If you meant you know more than me, you were arrogant.
For me i dont know who knows more but do know.
i have told you
but i offered this to you b4 you made these latter posts now i am not so keen.
I am less confident now because of your arrogance that you are really a loving part of the body. God calls me to be open and humble.
As stated this makes me want to be away from your religion as the Catholic religion is more Christ like to me and that is what i aspire to be.
God bless ya and i love ya,
i do appreciate and thank My Father for your intention to have me nearer Him.
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Steven_John
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I know my English is not good enough for you to read this. LOL
sorry mate i was only poking as you have been patient with me so thought we could share a laugh.
It really does not matter to me what label you give me, I have made some witness of me to you beyond one word labeling me, best for you to pray about it.
What does matter is how you treat me, i need loving caring helpfulness to be as God intended.
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Steven_John
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Elvis man, peace and blessings to you and yours bro,
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Paul speaks of knowledge of Jesus (pbwh) and of God many times.
I have been told In the Greek language there are two types of knowledge.
Given that the Catholic Church lives these scriptures from Greek text, so i can better understand you, when you first quoted it which did you believe it refer to?
Has your interpretation changed? and if it has could you share how, when and why it changed.
If i may ask in the context of your answer do you and did you consider your self ignorant?
By His will may God bless and guide you to be honest in your helping me if you submit unto Him.
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I guess this means knowledge of scripture is knowledge of Christ.
Paul speaks of knowledge of Jesus (pbwh) and of God many times.
I have been told In the Greek language there are two types of knowledge.
Given that the Catholic Church lives these scriptures from Greek text, so i can better understand you, when you first quoted it which did you believe it refer to?
Has your interpretation changed? and if it has could you share how, when and why it changed.
If i may ask in the context of your answer do you and did you consider your self ignorant?
By His will may God bless and guide you to be honest in your helping me if you submit unto Him.
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Steven_John
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What “man” has such arrogance to imply even the least relationship with the Father is not real. That “man” even shouted it.
Even the relationship between shatan and God is real. Our Father really cast him out of heaven.
Does this “man” not know even shatan exists because of My Fathers grace. How is this not a real relationship.
To imply God does not have a real relationship with all creation surely is against The Catholic Church.
Surely a Catholic would no be against her?
I assure you My Fathers Grace is very REAL had it not been how were you permitted to type even on character or do you claim to be as pure as My Brother.
In scripture does God offer us to “try” a relationship with Him?
Or does scripture offer that My Father chooses us?
If ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ and knowledge of scripture is knowledge of Christ please quote the scripture that says we should try a relationship?
Who can add or can take from scripture? As proud men we fall to this submition to shatan.
If one does do they witness for or against My Father and My Brother?
If you are against them you are not for Me.
If you are against them you are against the true Church.
One against Them and the True Church shall be cast from Their sight on the last day.
Father forgive us for we do not know what we do,
I Testify before you the hearts hear as i see them, Aspire to submit to You, so I forgive them.
I will be who I will be, you have free will so can choose who you see I am
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humble_in_doubt
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What is the utility of god? I ask this not because I wonder whether he’s of any use to us, but whether you guys understand what that use is. I see in my short time here at CAF quite a bit of hostility between people that essentially believe the same thing. Don’t get me wrong, from an objective standpoint the worse thing that could happen is Catholics and Protestants unite, if not in a “one church” sort of way at least in spirit. That would bring true calamity to progress and we as a civilization would lose our last semblance of hope for progress. I say this because I’m curious, from a logical standpoint (and from one who understands Christians theology in a profound way) what is the utility of god?
When I see people banner the poster of their favorite political figure as if he’s some god … it sickens me; because that sort of attitude is only wrought from utter ignorance. Man will always disappoint man, proven fact. So then I ask again, what is the utility of god? Can anyone answer …
When I see people banner the poster of their favorite political figure as if he’s some god … it sickens me; because that sort of attitude is only wrought from utter ignorance. Man will always disappoint man, proven fact. So then I ask again, what is the utility of god? Can anyone answer …
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prodigalson12
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Very good points made here, and in fact, exactly my thoughts along people tearing each other apart who essetially believe the same thing. It’s nut’s isn’t it, and you see the uphill battle those of us face that are trying to unite them in spirit. I guess you could say the devil has his hands at keeping the divisions in tact, for as you state, who knows what could be accompolished within a united front.
The utility of God, when experienced in full is more profound then you ever could imagine. Almost like a video game where the players are catered to by the programmer themselves. The utterly impossible, now becomes not only possible, it’s almost taken for granted. With God on your side, nothing can defeat you, really, that’s the bottom line and very much, of much use to us.
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Steven_John
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A utility of God is to sustain all life.
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elvisman
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I don’t understand this rant. The comment wasn’t directed at you.**
Who is adding to scripture?
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elvisman
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What?? What are you talking about?
In what way? The Church doesn’t bend to the times. The Church is God’s institution - not man’s.
I meant that you don’t know enough to make the unfounded statements you’re making.
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elvisman
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This is PRECISELY why you church hop. You have no clue as to the great differences between the Catholic Church and the Protestant denominations. The differences between the Catholic Church and the ones you attend are as different as night and day.
Until prideful people change their rebellious views, they will never be united with the one and only Church established by Jesus - the Catholic Church.
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Steven_John
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Sorry 4 taking so long to catch up again.
i know your post was directed at podicalson12 and i have not been reading the posts but every time i looked at the page this statement of yours just screamed at me.
Prodicalson12 please forgive me 4 jumping in, but i have zeal for My Fathers house amd would like to learn how Elvis man substantiates his instruction to you.
I cant find it in scripture or in any Catholic teaching.
You say oft in your post you do not speak for your self but only for the church.
Please reference the source for your instruction.
i offer all relationships with God in the Catholic church are REAL regardless to how deep they are. To say otherwise contradicts the grace of God to us who are sinners.
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Steven_John
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In days of old most laity could not have or read scripture. This would have been because some were interpreting Church actions against scripture. Some Church interpretations against the truth. This has not changed but the church has, today catholics are encouraged to read scripture.
If you did not know of this past and do not know of this present consider your own statement to me.
“you don’t know enough to make the unfounded statements you’re making”
The church was intended to be Gods institution but man at times does mess it up.
We have established in our chats that there is One Truth therefore Gods institution would never teach untruth. Is the earth flat or globe? is another example. we could go on with a longer list i guess.
*She has even apologized *for some of Her interpretations and Her actions from that.
Now thats humble, i do not see this in you but you claim not to be speaking for you but her.
Again, I see you as arrogant, you are to me and others in this thread like David (pbwh) was to Goliath. To grow i need to be treated as Legion was by Jesus (pbwh).
If you say it is not my business to speak of other posters in this thread you would be correct in a worldly sense of good manners but I AM my brothers keeper.
Now you have supported my position, i say i am aspiring because i dont have it all sorted.
You bag me because i say i am aspiring and tell me i am wrong then tell me i dont know enough.
What do you , sorry you speak for your church not your self, what does your church want me to do?
Tell the truth? (say honestly where i see i am) or
Make false faith statements? (say i am what i do not fully understand)
The Catholic Church i know would tell me to tell the truth
if you really want me to be informed and you have all the answers actually quote the **STATEMENTS **i have made, speak with me to ensure i have explained myself clearly, then work with me so i can understand the error of my ways.
So far you have done the David (pbuh) and Goliath thing.
That is i want to learn from you, how you bring all Protestants, **all *work mates and prostitutes…etc… into the RCIA program at my parish.
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I asked you this and many other questions you have not answered.
Do i take the lack of response as you have the answers and are bringing many, or that you ASPIRE TO.
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prodigalson12
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No need for an apology Steve, I’m ignoring Elvis and refusing to respond to an iota of what he says. You and I have the same zeal for our Fathers house, you understand where I am coming from, that’s all that really matters. Both of us also know where Elvis is coming from, Christ had the Pharisee to contend with in his day, so I’m classifying him within that same category, for they are one in the same when it comes down to it.
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elvisman
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As usual - I don’t really understand what you’re talking about. No offense, but your sentence structure is very fractured - to say the least.
As for my comment about having a real relationship with God - I meant it. You can’t have a fractured, patchwork of a relationship with Him on your terms - it has to be on His terms. That’s where the Catholic Church comes in. The Church is the visible Body that Jesus left for us. It contains the fullness of the Gospel because it is the custodian of the deposit of the Christian faith (John 16:13-15, 2 Tim. 1:14).
What you and Progidalson12 pass off as being deeply rooted in the Gospel is nonsense. Neither of you is willing to make the committment to settle down and belong to Christ’s Church. To put it plainly - you’re playing with fire and it’s dangerous, not to mention extremely spiritually immature.
As for your allegations about the Church not allowing people to read the Bible in past centuries - it’s preposterous. That’s yet another example of why I said you don’t know what you’re talking about.
**As for the earth being flat or round - that has nothing to do with faith and morals. THAT’s where she does not err. It has to do with science. The Church can and has been wrong about scientific theories. That’s why she usually leaves these matters to science.
You keep speaking of your “parish” and “RCIA” as if you’re a Catholic. That is not what your profile says. ARE you a Catholic? Do you belong to the Catholic Church? My guess is that you are a Muslim. They tend to use “PBWH” after each mention of Jesus.
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elvisman
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Unfortunately, Prodigalson12 has no idea what the house of God is - otherwise he wouldn’t hop from denomination to denomination attempting to fing the truth.
**The only reason he ignores me is because he lacks the spiritual, biblical and historical knowledge to answer me. **That’s fine - he been exposed.
**You see - this is what happens when you water-down the truth. **
When it comes to eternity - partial truth doesn’t cut it.
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prodigalson12
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No, elvis, the reason I don’t respond is because you are a troll, plain and simple, nothing more.
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elvisman
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**I’ve been on this board for 5 years defending the Catholic truth. **
You’ve been here - how long? A couple of weeks and in that time you’ve spewed one heresy after another. Talk about trolls . . .
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prodigalson12
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No, elvis, the reason I don’t respond is because you are a troll, plain and simple, nothing more.
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Pixie_Dust
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Elvisman, darling.Unfortunately, Prodigalson12 has no idea what the house of God is - otherwise he wouldn’t hop from denomination to denomination attempting to fing the truth.
The only reason he ignores me is because he lacks the spiritual, biblical and historical knowledge to answer me. That’s fine - he been exposed.
You see - this is what happens when you water-down the truth.
When it comes to eternity - partial truth doesn’t cut it.
I think you’re being a bit over-zealous here. From what I have read the OP IS a faithful Catholic who also enjoys spending time with our separated brethren. There is NO reason, so long as he attends Mass faithfully, why he shouldn’t attend other worship services throughout the week. That is no reason to bar him from the Eucharist, presuming he’s adequately prepared himself to do that. He’s a smart guy (naming himself after the son who “R-U-N-N O-F-T”, came to himself, and was the guest of honor at his homecoming party, very smart indeed!) and I daresay he’ll recognize a teaching at odds with Catholicism if/ when he hears it. If he’s not there to correct the misconceptions, who’s going to do it? He isn’t waffling, being blown about by every wind of doctrine.There is still a great deal of truth about Jesus Christ being taught in non-Catholic churches. My own husband observed as he was going through RCIA last year that he didn’t have to change any of his core beliefs to embrace Catholicism! They believe in God, the Father Almighty maker of Heaven and earth, they believe Christ is the 2nd person in the Holy Trinity, born of a Virgin, who suffered and died on a cross, rising from the dead on the third day in fulfillment of the Scriptures, they believe in the Holy Spirit who breathes life into our souls and convicts us of sin.
If spending every night of the week in worship is what God has called him to, who are any of us to tell him not to do that?
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