We need to be cautious about making generalizations. The homilies at the OF at my local parish are clear and orthodox. On the other hand, at an EF parish that I attend on occasion, the priest often goes beyond Church teaching in his sermons. For example, I heard one where he preached that we should only use the Douay-Rheims version of the Bible. He wasn’t stating this as his personal opinion but as if it were Church teaching.
EXACTLY! The homilies at my parish (OF) are also clear and orthodox. Besides…this is supposed to be a thread about why people like the EF…not a bash of the OF. You have, IMHO, worked hard to keep it that way. I hate to see others derail it by sweeping generalizations about the OF.
No , the point is you would have to be a complete and utter Moron for a TLM to be considered “complicated”. Thats the point. The TLM is in no way shape or form complicated. Its not like the world for the last 1500 years has been literate. you tell me why it is that for all intents and purposes - Indians in Mexico - all could embrace the TLM in the time of the Spanish conquest with ease and a modern day educated human being in the United States cannot? I’m sorry but the entire argument is untenable.
Given that point, would the Indians have opted for a Mass in their language if it was available? Back then they were taught this was the only way to celebrate Mass, and that was true. So they did. But if they had the choice like people today has, do you think they or most other people would choose TLM over OF in the vernacular? And can you prove they understood and appreciated it as much as you claim they do? They don’t have any other option for a Mass but the TLM. If embraced the faith, they had to go to TLM whether they fully appreciate it or not.
EXACTLY! The homilies at my parish (OF) are also clear and orthodox. Besides…this is supposed to be a thread about why people like the EF…not a bash of the OF.
You have, IMHO, worked hard to keep it that way. I hate to see others derail it by sweeping generalizations about the OF.
Thank you, THANK YOU, Annabelle. We need not compare the two Masses & berate the Novus Ordo in order to answer the question that is the title of this thread.
IMHO, from what others have said, the beauty of the EF should stand alone without having to resort to bashing the OF.
Constantine, you have posted on this thread several times, but I’ve never seen you answer the question that is a title here. So…WHY do you go to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass? Surely, you are not trying to debate the use of Latin vs. vernacular HERE, as that would be off topic.
Robert: But they were able to learn. Thats the point. They werent highly educated. We are. Do you think that Mexico would have converted faster had the Mass not been in Latin? A tough argument to prove since it converted almost overnight after Guadalupe. But to return to your argument - the Latin MASS was used and history clearly shows it was highly successful. the jury is still out on the evangelization qualities of the OF. But - in either event - to say the Latin Mass is difficult to understand simply isnt true. If an uneducated Indian who never went to School figured it out - why cant we americans today in the age of computers. I simple shutter at that argument. You can use a lot of arguments - but the “Latin Mass is too difficult to figure out Argument” is patently false and untenable.
This mini-thread with me happened because I was addressing one post that says people at the EF are more reverent. I said people at the EF are more reverent not because of the EF itself, but its the truly devout who seek the EF. Thus you do not have the lukewarm Catholics in the EF that are aplenty in the OF (not that its a bad thing).Constantine, you have posted on this thread several times, but I’ve never seen you answer the question that is a title here. So…WHY do you go to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass? Surely, you are not trying to debate the use of Latin vs. vernacular HERE, as that would be off topic.
You are underestimating the level of knowledge of natives. People today from African tribes speak 5-10 languages while most schooled people in North America cannot even speak their native language well (just read around the internet and see how many are poor in grammar and spelling).
The thread shall remain closed. It has derailed. That’s unfortunate, because it began beautifully.