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AbideWithMe
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Right, the real reason is, not because we’re mindless seas of sheer emotion as Adamski believes, but because all Evangelicals know Catholics worship Mary.Now you’re confusing me … Do you mean the reason that Catholicism is so Unattractive to Evangelicals isn’t because evangelicalism is based on emotion and not logic or reason?
(Sorry about the above, my already-quirky sense of humor seems to be on the fritz tonight.I probably shouldn’t post so late, especially on days when I watched an abnormally large amount of news.
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^^Meant as a joke about using tired old canards to propagate misunderstanding of others.
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AbideWithMe
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Nope.
Understanding the history of the Pietist roots of Evangelicals would help you “see” us more accurately. The article in the OP actually understood this, though I don’t recall he said so distinctly.
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AbideWithMe
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Sorry, PRMerger, about not saying more about the vicar of Christ/vicar of Peter discussion. I think it’s a worthwhile topic for its own thread. To be realistic, after the equine mutiny fiasco I had this evening, I can’t see me having time to pursue that topic more though I think it’s a good one. I’m struggling with deep grief as I witness my lovely elderly mother be overtaken with serious memory loss; I’m getting burned out and making careless mistakes myself from being stressed; and, since my horses are of a type from arid Iberian countries which can’t take much access to PA’s lush grass without risking a serious equine disease, I may be facing health problems with them within the next 24 hours from this evening’s snarfing of lush grass. (I ran myself ragged up and down hills to herd them, while they merrily ran off and vacuumed down rich grass just ahead of the stupid two-legged creature.) At any rate, my mom and the beasts are a more pressing concern for my attention than theological discussions at this time. If we don’t get to this discussion here, I’ll look you folks all up in Purgatory to continue it.
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Eric_Hilbert
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On CAF, contempt runs both ways, for the Catholic Church and for other religions. Three strikes, you’re out, as in banned.
Return to the topic of the OP and discuss it like adults.
Return to the topic of the OP and discuss it like adults.
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JustaServant
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I can’t argue with what you are saying Tomy, I’ve seen it in person and on Facebook as well. Converts many times are like someone who has remarried, they delight in trashing their ex. But each person is different. I have also seen converts who are not like that. Don’t paint all converts like that, even on CAF.
Anyway, if we could follow the mods directions and PLEASE return to the point of the OP. The purpose of the article was to develop honest dialogue, instead it produce the exact opposite of where I intended it to go.
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PRmerger
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Indeed. :sad_yes:
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PRmerger
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Of course. CAFs is a delightful place to be, but only when other matters are taken care of.Sorry, PRMerger, about not saying more about the vicar of Christ/vicar of Peter discussion. I think it’s a worthwhile topic for its own thread. To be realistic, after the equine mutiny fiasco I had this evening, I can’t see me having time to pursue that topic more though I think it’s a good one. I’m struggling with deep grief as I witness my lovely elderly mother be overtaken with serious memory loss; I’m getting burned out and making careless mistakes myself from being stressed; and, since my horses are of a type from arid Iberian countries which can’t take much access to PA’s lush grass without risking a serious equine disease, I may be facing health problems with them within the next 24 hours from this evening’s snarfing of lush grass. (I ran myself ragged up and down hills to herd them, while they merrily ran off and vacuumed down rich grass just ahead of the stupid two-legged creature.) At any rate, my mom and the beasts are a more pressing concern for my attention than theological discussions at this time. If we don’t get to this discussion here, I’ll look you folks all up in Purgatory to continue it.
Prayers for peace for you and your mom.
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EIF5A
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But evangelicals generally attend church every week…sometimes more…
Do evangelicals outright reject natural family planning, or are they just simply unaware of it? As proponents of traditional family and sexual mores, I think evangelicals, more so than other “liberal” groups, would be more open to Catholic teaching on sex and family planning.
Divorce and remarriage: well, it seems to be an equal opportunity thing…
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EIF5A
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In what way does Catholicism clash with Pietism?
There are so many devotional prayers and practices in Catholicism, I thought the issue was “too many” pious “superstitious” practices that people were concerned with.
Edit: So I did a quick search. Except for universal priesthood, it doesn’t seem to conflict with any Catholic teaching…? The gist seems to be Bible study, inner conversion, and practice of Christian discipleship.
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Della
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I haven’t contributed to this thread as yet, but I wanted to add my
to your post. 
Before being reconciled to the Catholic Church (that’s what really happens for those who were baptized in other ecclesial communities), I was brought up Episcopalian and then after my father died, my mother took us into the Assemblies of God. In all gratitude I have to sing the praises of much of what I got from both, disparate forms of Christianity though they were.
From my Episcopal background I gained reverence and a love of beauty for all that is sacred, plus basic teaching about the Trinity, redemption and salvation. I loved the Book of Common Prayer and still have a copy. We read from the KJV whose language and syntax is still part of my very being. I loved celebrating the Church seasons in their proper order and the wonderful hymns.
From the Assemblies of God I gained a love of reading and meditating on Scripture. I learned how to get around the Bible, memorizing portions and winning many a Bible quiz. I went to one of their colleges and earned a B. A. in Bible, which I still am glad I did. In the end I found, though that the AoG (as we called it) wasn’t for me. It was like having fallen in love with the wrong man–it might be fine for others, but it didn’t fulfill my spiritual longings nor could I find the fullness of truth there. As I said, others may have a difference experience.
I tried returning to the Epsicopal Church but it had begun the change that has overtaken it–that of voting out ancient precepts in favor of what seems popular in our current culture. I can see why they have been going that direction, but I couldn’t go along with them, blessing on them as they feel their way forward, may God grant them to see what is and ins’t true.
Coming to the Catholic Church from the kind of anti-Catholic rhetoric I unfortunately experienced in the AoG wasn’t easy. It was a several year process. Still, I appreciate all I gained from both communions and feel thankful to them even as I pray that they too will be reconciled to the Church Christ founded. I don’t mean that last sentence to be polemical, merely a prayer for unity, but not at the expense of truth, for which I searched long and hard and could never give up now.
Sorry for the ramble, but there it is. The dual feelings of gratitude and of dislike that many who came from other Christian bodies feel can be conflicting. For many, in the first throes of conversion (which it truly is for many–that of mind and heart) the negative can overwhelm all the good they gained in their former communities. But in time, they will remember those, as well, and hopefully be grateful for all God did for them before they entered the Catholic Church.
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Adamski
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Most of my town of about 300 are evangelicals; I drive 28 miles to get to the closest Catholic Church. Currently
Here are the evangelicals I know
1- the 30 year old lady renting an apartment from me that is a Christian missionary to Guatemala sleeps with her boy friend.
2-my close friend won’t come back to the Catholic Church because his wife is on her second marriage
3-currently 5 evagelical nieghbors are missing church service this morning because they are running a marathon
4-many of my evagelical nieghbors do yoga
In conclusion all refuse to look into the Catholic Church, I even had the evangellcal fallen away catholic behind me put his hands over his ears when I was talking and say “don’t tell me or I will be accountable”
I have never ever met an evangelial that is truly willing to repent and change all of their ways
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EIF5A
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Maybe your town is unique. But Catholics sin plenty, too.
We can’t pretend the Catholic Church is perfect and sinless.
You’re pitting the “Catholic ideal” versus “real people who are sinners”.
It would be more fair to compare “Catholic moral teachings” versus “evangelical moral teachings”.
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Adamski
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The difference is a catholic that is sinning says
“I am catholic but”""_____ I don’t believe ____
Or a catholic says
"I did blank and I need to confess it before I go mass
An evangelical says well the bible says “I’m saved that thing I did doesn’t matter”
See the difference
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PRmerger
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Or, the Evangelical says, “The Bible doesn’t say that I have to go to church every Sunday” and “The Bible says that I can divorce and re-marry because God forgives”.
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AbideWithMe
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Thank you very much.
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AbideWithMe
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I don’t think the essence of Pietism does clash with Catholicism.
I was trying to point out to Adamski that to understand Evangelicalism one needs to understand the history of the movement (a large aspect of that history being the continuing influence of Pietism). With just one’s own limited personal experience to go by, people may “see” something without having the knowledge to put it into a larger perspective.
To give a comparable reverse example, say Bob the non-Catholic sees Catholics praying before a statue of Mary, kneeling and kissing the statue—and concludes that they’re worshipping Mary and praying to an idol, because he’s ignorant of the history behind what he’s seeing. Likewise, some Catholics make incorrect superficial assessments about Evangelicals based on their own limited observations and ignorance of Evangelical history.
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AbideWithMe
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Precisely.
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AbideWithMe
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Incorrect again, Adamski.
You’re taking the worst misunderstandings of Evangelical theology and holding it out as if it’s the norm in teaching.
It’s as if I took the worst misunderstandings of Catholic theology which I’ve been told by Catholics, and insisted their misinterpretions were the standard of real Catholic theology.
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z_0101
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We’ve strayed so far off topic now that it isn’t funny
What is the answer to this?
What is the answer to this?
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