Why is Christianity right and Islam wrong?

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Hi MJ

Whilst I agree that this is not a Bahai thread, Tonys development of argument to culminate in this post:
I think the Pope has a good handle on this subject

“‘God is not Catholic,’” Scalfari quoted the pope as saying, according to NBC News. Confused, he asked Pope Francis to elaborate, and the pontiff reportedly replied, “‘God is universal, and we are Catholic in the sense of the way we worship him.’”

Thus others have another way of worshiping the same God and their Love as special for them! 👍

Regards Tony
…is VERY much in line with this threads content 🙂
 
Sorry for my bluntness but this is not a,Bahai thread. Very distracting. Nothing against you though.

MJ
I am supplying answers to the topic “Why is Christianity right and Islam wrong”?

I am trying to show that Islam is Just as right as Christianity.

Is this not permitted here?

Regards Tony
 
With respect I would suggest that the relativism exists in the changing environment and audience which the teachings were given to.

When the APPLICATION of moral law and the Will of God is manifested in such diverse settings and evolved social structures, a new religion is born and Islam was that religion for the Arabian tribes, just as valid and just as right as all other religions.

The Faith of God is changeless. It’s the application of this Divine Will which requires renewal and fulfillment depending on the needs of the time and place
 
With respect I would suggest that the relativism exists in the changing environment and audience which the teachings were given to.

When the APPLICATION of moral law and the Will of God is manifested in such diverse settings and evolved social structures, a new religion is born and Islam was that religion for the Arabian tribes, just as valid and just as right as all other religions.

The Faith of God is changeless. It’s the application of this Divine Will which requires renewal and fulfillment depending on the needs of the time and place
That is well said and if all could look with Justice an weigh other religions as one does their own, it is the only conclusion one could come to.

Gods Love encompasses all, God is One. It is up to each person find the connection!

That one has found Gods love in their religion, in now way does it mean it does not exist in another. The great thing about the Islam Faith is that at its very core it shows us we all worship the same God, in the Koran Allah. It paved the way for the unity of the Human Race in One Fold under One Shepperd.

Regards Tony
 
Question: Why is Christianity right and Islam wrong?

Answer: Jesus is alive while Muhammad is dead.

By the way, Catholicism isn’t a denomination since it is the original apostolic faith. There were a few heresies here and there in the early Church, but these were ruled out as heresies based on the fact that the heresies were not what was believed and taught by the apostles. Denominations began immediately after Luther’s Protestant revolt when everyone started to interpret the Bible for themselves and began starting their own “churches”.

See the following:
scborromeo.org/truth/truth.pdf
scborromeo.org/glad/glad.pdf
 
Question: Why is Christianity right and Islam wrong?

Answer: Jesus is alive while Muhammad is dead.

By the way, Catholicism isn’t a denomination since it is the original apostolic faith. There were a few heresies here and there in the early Church, but these were ruled out as heresies based on the fact that the heresies were not what was believed and taught by the apostles. Denominations began immediately after Luther’s Protestant revolt when everyone started to interpret the Bible for themselves and began starting their own “churches”.
It is only how one looks at it.

Muhammad is just as much Alive as Christ is.

One can have them both living in their Heart for the love of God, if one so chooses!

The greatest proof that all the True Prophets still live, is the fact they have Millions of Followers that call on God in Their name!

Regards Tony
 
It is only how one looks at it.

Muhammad is just as much Alive as Christ is.

One can have them both living in their Heart for the love of God, if one so chooses!

The greatest proof that all the True Prophets still live, is the fact they have Millions of Followers that call on God in Their name!

Regards Tony
CLEARLY this belongs in the Baha’i thread.

MJ
 
With respect I would suggest that the relativism exists in the changing environment and audience which the teachings were given to.

When the APPLICATION of moral law and the Will of God is manifested in such diverse settings and evolved social structures, a new religion is born and Islam was that religion for the Arabian tribes, just as valid and just as right as all other religions.

The Faith of God is changeless. It’s the application of this Divine Will which requires renewal and fulfillment depending on the needs of the time and place
This also BELONGS in the Bahai thread.

MJ
 
CLEARLY this belongs in the Baha’i thread.

MJ
MJ - So you would prefer an open field day so people could make all the comments they wish, based on no Facts, just an opinion?

This is a non Catholic religion thread. The thread attacks the Divinity of Islam to which I am sure I am able and more than willing to defend.

That is what is great about being a Baha’i, we are totally committed to all the Prophets, to slander One is to Slander all.

The World is now a very small place and the information Highway open to all to see. If people want to post threads such as these, I think they would expect to find others would like to reject such divisive Words.

It is good to remember that Gods Word is Unconditional Love. We have to learn how to Love such as this, whatever Religion we currently follow. 👍 🙂

In Gods Love

Regards Tony
 
What makes Christianity more reasonable. Why is Islam wrong? What are the best arguments against Islam?
What I would say to begin with is that Islam is more “do-able” than either Christianity or Judaism.

The Law in Judaism is a rather severe burden to carry around in your day to day life. Likewise, few have been able to follow the world-denying asceticism of the Christian Way down to a tee. There are some who say that Christianity has never really been tried yet, and are in many ways correct, because even as it has dropped the requirements that the Law places on Jews, the ‘taking up your cross and following me’ bit, the ‘hating your life in order to gain it’, has people sitting up on poles for twenty years, and still feeling like they are not doing enough.

In contrast, Islam is very doable. You can live a very normal secular life under its restriction, pray and eat, and carry on pretty much like before without feeling a lot of guilt or shame about sinning. Sin and redemption just do not play that big of a role in the religion.
So in a lot of ways, Christianity is not the more ‘reasonable’ of the two.

On the other hand, given the pervasive, insidious nature of evil, how it encompasses a world that can be rightly compared to Satan’s domain, understanding the extent to which the stain of sin and evil pervades our every thought and word and deed, how much the world is in need of a Redeemer, calls out the need not just for reasonable measures, but extraordinary measures.
This is Christianity’s strength,arguably even more than Judaism, and exponentially more so than Islam. We are indeed the people of Israel, those who struggle against God and man, and may even rise to victory. We are not just the children of faith, like all the children of Abraham,. but the children who struggle, against ourselves, and agaisnt others and even against God himself. We do not just submit and accept, but are ever-vigilant, ever critical against the insidious tentacles of evil slipping through the shadows and taking hold of our lives. We are the people who have crucified God himself, and must therefore forever doubt, forever strive against our ignorance and the motives which we hide even from ourselves. We must forever make the effort to differentiate between BarAbbas, the illusionary son of God, and Jesus, the self-described Son of man.

Islam is a very do-able religion. In its pre-modern, pre-Wahabbi, pre-Islamist, forms at least, there is nothing severe about it. The society it created in the Golden age of the Caliphates was a tolerant one, open to the ideas of the Greek Christians, and the Persians and the Indians, as the wisdom of the East and West became merged to form a very liveable society. It is a very moderate religion, in its historically pre-dominant forms at least, and does not place such great demands on its adherents. Ergo, all but the most fervent eventually convert when it is the dominant religion in the House, for life is easier in so many ways when they do.

Christianity is not easy. A reasonable mode of life that it not what it offers those who follow it.
But what Christianity does offer is a true picture of the nature of mankind and the nature of the world. What it ultimately offers is not the peace of being a people who submit, but the freedom to be all that we can be.
Freedom is not an easy road to take.
 
There is half a world of people that would totally disagree with these comments!

Would it not be better, as we acknowledge there is only One God, to find out how the claims of Muhammad could be true and find the connection.

Consider the differences are only Doctrinal. Man, no matter how noble his purpose, will make mistakes. This is the warning the Bible gives us. Years of misunderstandings of Biblical and Koranic passages have become Clouds to us all sharing a Love for the same God.

There is a connection if one wishes to look!

Regards Tony
 
This is absolutely correct. The Qur’an denies that Jesus Christ was crucified but it is a historical fact as testified by the apostles and early Christians.
. On the crucifixion of Jesus. My understanding is that there is a differentiation of the eternal “I AM” , or Divine Identity of Christ, which could not, therefore “was not”, crucified. In other words, only the physical human body of Jesus was crucified, which is not His true reality. Thats my understanding.

. I have read at least 4 translations on this verse in the Quran and they vary according to the understanding of those who translated it. Some take bizarre liberties in their interpretations, which clearly come out of their own imagination and limited understanding, such as the idea that there was a substitution, or someone else crucified, which is pure nonsense.

. So in my opinion, and of others, the crucifixion took place, but only of the body. It is like saying someone crucified my suit of clothes. Well, that suit is not “me”. I’m still alive. So also, to crucify the atoms and molecules and protein flesh of Jesus and claim to have killed “Him” is to not understand who “He” really is. How can the One who existed before Abraham, hence also existed before Moses, and Jesus, for that matter, be crucified? He can’t! And that is the meaning…
 
Jharek,
. Without the bias of our inherited beliefs and exposure to any system of religious beliefs, and as objectively as we can muster ourselves, it is necessary to consider the legitimate arguments which sustain the beliefs of Muslims that Muhammad was a Prophet.

. Their traditions go back to Genesis and the story of Abraham, whose firstborn son was Ishmael, born to Hagar, when Sarah couldn’t yet conceive. God made a promise to her:

17 God heard the boy (Ishmael) crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. 18 Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”

. So there is definitely a case for Islam dating back to Genesis, and it is hard to imagine that a billion people came to worship God on their own. The challenge is to overcome our own cultural ignorance and prejudices long enough to consider whether God is bigger than we allow Him to be and whether He may have fulfilled His promises in ways we are unaccustomed to accepting from our own inherited viewpoints.
 
Here is why in a nutshell:
5Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
7If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him, and you have seen him.
John 14:6
 
Here is why in a nutshell:

John 14:6
Dear friend,
. This is an important quote. It can be interpreted two ways. The common tradition is to associate that “Way” with the appearance of Jesus only. That is, the expression of “I AM” at that single point in time and with that physical Holy Personage.

. The other way is to recognize the One who is saying: “Before Abraham was, I am” as One who existed prior to Jesus, since Abraham existed prior to Jesus, and to comprehend as best we can the Voice which speaks to us through His Prophets and Messengers.

. In other words, the One Who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, Who clearly existed prior to Abraham and Jesus, that “One” is the One by Whom we come to God, the Father. The point being that He is greater than any physical Person with whom we normally identify Him, as He existed prior to these Holy Souls…
 
Whether they are equal is not the question the question is which is right. This is not a relativist argument.
 
MJ - So you would prefer an open field day so people could make all the comments they wish, based on no Facts, just an opinion?

This is a non Catholic religion thread. The thread attacks the Divinity of Islam to which I am sure I am able and more than willing to defend.

That is what is great about being a Baha’i, we are totally committed to all the Prophets, to slander One is to Slander all.

The World is now a very small place and the information Highway open to all to see. If people want to post threads such as these, I think they would expect to find others would like to reject such divisive Words.

It is good to remember that Gods Word is Unconditional Love. We have to learn how to Love such as this, whatever Religion we currently follow. 👍 🙂

In Gods Love

Regards Tony/QUOTE

No. Islam rejects the Living Jesus who saved Mankind from Death by His suffering, death and Resurrection and Ascension. Jesus promised he will be with,His Church TILL the end of the Age.

MJ
 
Complete Revealed Truth and Shards of Truth?

If one was to stand outside both the Christian and Muslim Religion and Judge them without prejudice, both would receive the same amount of ticks for the truth they contain.

If you post a list of Truths that the Christian Faith Contains, that is not Doctrine but Scripture only. I would be happy to match examples from the Muslim and other Faiths.

Blanket statement have no weight, but only result in division. One should submit proof of such accusations. Would you not agree 😉

Regards Tony
 
Yet this is the position taken by the Pharisees in regards to Christianity, for the Jews still assume the same perspective.

What can be observed is that the followers of, or inheritors of, certain religious traditions make the same statements, in the same manner, each denouncing the appearance of any Prophet of God after their own.

It behooves people to step outside themselves and their inherited systems of belief when investigating the claims of other religions, and not simply echo the patterns of denunciation. Rather, a detailed study must be done without bias or prejudicial judgement to arrive at original conclusions and not mere repetition of the sentiments commonly uttered by the local herd we happen to be born into.

This requires an independent investigation of truth and an openness with which we may at first be unfamiliar and perhaps uncomfortable. It helps to get to know people.
 
Yet this is the position taken by the Pharisees in regards to Christianity, for the Jews still assume the same perspective.

What can be observed is that the followers of, or inheritors of, certain religious traditions make the same statements, in the same manner, each denouncing the appearance of any Prophet of God after their own.

It behooves people to step outside themselves and their inherited systems of belief when investigating the claims of other religions, and not simply echo the patterns of denunciation. Rather, a detailed study must be done without bias or prejudicial judgement to arrive at original conclusions and not mere repetition of the sentiments commonly uttered by the local herd we happen to be born into.

This requires an independent investigation of truth and an openness with which we may at first be unfamiliar and perhaps uncomfortable. It helps to get to know people.
Nothing has been left to chance when it comes to the belief of Jesus the Son of God. Consubstantial with the Father and The Spirit originates from the Father (of whom the Son promised to send). This is Truth. Islam denies, thus is wrong.

MJ
 
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