Why is Islam wrong?

[Valke2]

Asalam Alaykum De Maria,

When Abu Bakr, may Allaah be pleased with him, became Caliph after the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam died, a large number of the Companions were killed during the War of Apostasy. 'Umar Ibn Al-Khattaab, may Allaah be pleased with him, went to the Caliph and discussed the idea of compiling the Quran into one volume. He was disturbed, as most of those who memorised it had died. Then, Abu Bakr, may Allaah be pleased with him, called for Zayd and commissioned him to collect the Quran into one book, which became known as the ‘Mus-haf.’

Very interesting. It parallels the history of how the Talmud became to be written. Our oral Torah was also memorized and recited, rather than written. Our Sages also became worried that too many who could memorize it were dying and because of this they wrote it down.

 

[Gara3987]

Mohammed brought spiritual and physical death. He brought spritual death to those who believed his spiritual lies and brought physical death to those who didn’t believe his spiritual lies.

All I can say is, that is an excellent statement that rings infrangible truth.

As for information on Islam, I have come across a book by Robert Spencer called The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) REVEALED, at long last: the whole “politically incorrect” truth about Islam’s violent teachings, bloody history, backward culture, and morally depraved founder *PLUS: Why the Crusades were justified wars of Christian self-defense against centuries of Muslim aggression.

***It is a good book and is very resourceful, if you are interested in finding out the truth about Islam I highly recommend this book.
**
Here is the Synopsis

When PC propagandists assure us that jihadist terror doesn’t reflect “true,” “peaceful” Islam, they’re not only wrong, they’re dangerous – because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against their mortal enemy. And not only do self-appointed “experts” lie elaborately and persistently about Islam – they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with an all-pervasive historical fantasy that is designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage – and thus less determined to defend it. But now there’s a remedy: in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), Robert Spencer reveals all the disturbing facts about Islam and its murderous hostility to the West that other books ignore, soft-pedal – or simply lie about.
This book is a unique guide to the bloody teachings and history of Islam, and to the Crusades that still stand today as the Western world’s most sustained and successful defense against the warrior hordes who were inspired by those teachings. Exposing myth after myth of the “Islam means peace” establishment, Spencer (director of JihadWatch.com and the bestselling author of Islam Unveiled and Onward Muslim Soldiers) here tackles all the hot-button issues regarding Islam and the Crusades.

Not “politically correct” – just true:

• The Crusades: unprovoked Western aggression? How, in fact, Muslims armies overran the predominantly Christian Middle East, then drove deep into Europe long before any Crusade was even contemplated – and did so in obedience to core teachings of the Islamic faith
• How the much-ballyhooed (and grossly exaggerated) “Golden Age” of Islamic culture was largely inspired by non-Muslims
• Muhammed: the “Perfect Man”? That’s how Muslims regard him. Details about his licentiousness, cruelty, and ruthless ambition that make him a dangerous role model
• Muhammad as “Prophet”: how he received convenient “revelations” that justified his insatiable lusts and numerous marriages – including one to a 9-year-old girl
• How Muhammad ordered – and rejoiced in – the assassinations of his enemies. How he lied and broke treaties as a matter of course
• Muhammad vs. Jesus: proof that Christianity teaches peace and Islam violence – and that there is nothing in the Bible that rivals the Qur’an’s exhortations to warfare
• The stifling effect Islam has on science and free inquiry, accounting for its failure to prosper – and hence for its murderous envy of the West
• The ghastly lure of Islam’s X-rated Paradise for suicide bombers and jihad terrorists
• Islamic law: how it institutionalizes oppression of Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims in Islamic societies
• How the Qur’an and Islamic law treat women as nothing more or less than possessions of men
• Islam’s only overarching moral principle: “if it’s good for Islam, it’s right”
• Why Western leaders who think non-Muslims can “win hearts and minds” among Islamic jihadists are naïve
• Why modern-day jihad warriors despise democracy and will do all they can to resist it
• Filmmaker Theo van Gogh: murdered on an Amsterdam street in broad daylight for offending Muslims – and other signs that violent Islamic intimidation has come to the West
• Why Europe could be Islamic by the end of the twenty-first century
  Take Care and God Bless.

 

[paarsurrey]

Why Europe could be Islamic by the end of the twenty-first century?

Hi

I think that would certainly happen on merit.

When Muslim lost the peaceful teachings of Islam/Quran/Muhammad and moral degradation also took place, Muslim lost everything. Islam/Quran/Muhammad had prophesized of it.

Quran
[25:31] And the Messenger will say, ‘O my Lord, my people indeed treated this Qur’an as a thing to be discarded.’
Unquote

This was the time for Jesus’ Second Coming to revive the TrueReligion and Muhammad had prophesized for it also:

Abu Hurairah narrated from the Prophet Muhammad SAW that he said:
I swear by Him in whose hands rests my life or death that you would definitely witness advent of the Ibne Maryam (Son of Mary); a truthful judge (among faiths/religions), he would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine and suspend the war (for religious conversion).
(Bukhari Kitabul Anbeya, Bab Nazul-e Essa Ibne Maryam)
Unquote

This has happened in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908and he has revived the TrueReligion. He has been provided with a peaceful tool to perform this goal. He has been revealed that Jesus S/O Mary did not die a cursed death on Cross , he died a natural and respectful death later at some point in the history. By Divine guidance he proves this point from sound arguments from Quran and Bible etc.

I think it is only a matter of time that European good people would be convinced of this peaceful and revived TrueReligion.

I respect your faith.

Thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

I doubt very much Europe will become Islamic.
With all the secret conversions to Christianity currently going on, i think Islam will decline if anything.
Catholicism is the one true religion after all, and Jesus did say his true religion will never end.

 

[paarsurrey]

Catholicism is the one true religion after all

Hi

My JWs friends say they are the only true Christians.
I think it would be nice if JWs and Catholics unite into ONE to start with, later Protestants and others may join in to Unite.

Thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

Hi

My JWs friends say they are the only true Christians.
I think it would be nice if JWs and Catholics unite into ONE to start with, later Protestants and others may join in to Unite.

Thanks

It would be wonderful to see Christianity unite most definitely!
But it will be hard for this to happen, with all the different belief systems and what not.
Same goes for Islam as well, i bet you would like to see it all unite!

 

[ralphinal]

Europe may become Muslim because of negative birthrates of the native Europeans coupled with immigration from Muslim lands. Attrition works as well as conversion.

 

[paarsurrey]

Europe may become Muslim because of negative birthrates of the native Europeans coupled with immigration from Muslim lands. Attrition works as well as conversion.

Hi

So you agree, this could yet be another possibility.

Thanks

 

[ralphinal]

Hi

So you agree, this could yet be another possibility.

Thanks

Yes, but what does it prove? Islam would have the lands because the Christians did not reproduce. It would not prove anything about the validity of your faith.

 

[paarsurrey]

It would be wonderful to see Christianity unite most definitely!
But it will be hard for this to happen, with all the different belief systems and what not.
Same goes for Islam as well, i bet you would like to see it all unite!

Hi

Not only that I would like that Christian’s should unite into ONE UNITED CHRISTENDUM but I would like that all religions are united to start with within themselves, Hinduism,Judaism,Christianity,Islam etc, through peaceful dialogue. This would resolve so many confusions and set a mechanism that later all revealed religons get united to one TRUTH whatever it is.

I work for it and I don’t think it is impossible, never before in the human history human beings lived in a Global Village, in close proximity to each other, with secular civilization/culture, I think man has become so civilised/mature that for common good ,peace and prosperity this is very much possible.

I think there would be none who does not think, it is possible.With prayer and peaceful dialogue, this is possible.

Now, if the Christians get United, is there anything that I should worry? I don’t think so.

Thanks

 

[AliciaCL]

There is NO WAY, that Jesus was a prophet for Allah. The teachings of Jesus are the most profound humanistic loving ever in human history. The fact that Jesus is regarded only as a prophet is where things go awry. The teachings of Jesus are not consistent with the teachings of Islam. There are a few similarities but that’s it (the pillar of charity, helping the poor). The most poignant point is regarding free will. One cannot convert to Christianity from Islam without getting a death sentence. One cannot live as a Christian in Islamic countries without suffering severe discrimination. The latter at least is per the Koran. I do not believe that Allah and the Christian God are the same. Christians and Muslims share a belief in a monotheistic god and that’s the only starting place there is on dialogue.

 

[paarsurrey]

The latter at least is per the Koran

Hi

I differ with you. It is not as per Quran/Islam/Muhammad. Quran believes in peace and free will.

Thanks

 

[AliciaCL]

My understanding of Koran peace is a conquered peace. Free will? OK what’s the deal with the death penalty for Christian converts then?

 

[paarsurrey]

My understanding of Koran peace is a conquered peace. Free will? OK what’s the deal with the death penalty for Christian converts then?

Hi

That would be a crime, and the wrongdoer/s will be punished in this world and the hereafter accodingly, there is no doubt about it. Islam/Quran/Muhammad never supported it.

Thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

Hi

Not only that I would like that Christian’s should unite into ONE UNITED CHRISTENDUM but I would like that all religions are united to start with within themselves, Hinduism,Judaism,Christianity,Islam etc, through peaceful dialogue. This would resolve so many confusions and set a mechanism that later all revealed religons get united to one TRUTH whatever it is.

I work for it and I don’t think it is impossible, never before in the human history human beings lived in a Global Village, in close proximity to each other, with secular civilization/culture, I think man has become so civilised/mature that for common good ,peace and prosperity this is very much possible.

I think there would be none who does not think, it is possible.With prayer and peaceful dialogue, this is possible.

Now, if the Christians get United, is there anything that I should worry? I don’t think so.

Thanks

Paarsurrey,
I can understand you wanting peace with all religions and a big unity.
But, we all believe in vastly different things.
When you say you would like it all united, how do you see this happening? Would you still like everyone to have their belief system or would they have to believe in what you believe?
Im not trying to argue here, im just trying to see your point of view.

 

[Gara3987]

Hi

I think that would certainly happen on merit.

When Muslim lost the peaceful teachings of Islam/Quran/Muhammad and moral degradation also took place, Muslim lost everything. Islam/Quran/Muhammad had prophesized of it.

Quran
[25:31] And the Messenger will say, ‘O my Lord, my people indeed treated this Qur’an as a thing to be discarded.’
Unquote

This was the time for Jesus’ Second Coming to revive the TrueReligion and Muhammad had prophesized for it also:

Abu Hurairah narrated from the Prophet Muhammad SAW that he said:
I swear by Him in whose hands rests my life or death that you would definitely witness advent of the Ibne Maryam (Son of Mary); a truthful judge (among faiths/religions), he would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine and suspend the war (for religious conversion).
(Bukhari Kitabul Anbeya, Bab Nazul-e Essa Ibne Maryam)
Unquote

This has happened in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908and he has revived the TrueReligion. He has been provided with a peaceful tool to perform this goal. He has been revealed that Jesus S/O Mary did not die a cursed death on Cross , he died a natural and respectful death later at some point in the history. By Divine guidance he proves this point from sound arguments from Quran and Bible etc.

I think it is only a matter of time that European good people would be convinced of this peaceful and revived TrueReligion.

I respect your faith.

Thanks

Islam had peaceful teachings?
What exactly was the cause of them losing these so called peaceful teachings?

If Muhammad was the founder of the Islamic faith, please tell me why he killed so many after his enemies had surrendered in Medina (Muhammad himself beheading around 600 - 700 People, though some historian scholars explain that the number might have actually been more like 800-900 People {basically a Genocide}), from my understanding Muhammad was supposed to be this humble and peaceful man, not some tyrant. If Muhammad was the first muslim; and he did this, that shows (not tells) me one thing. That the Islamic faith doesn’t know and never did know the true meaning of peace, because if you think that that is a peaceful thing to do (Genocide a group after they surrender) there is something wrong with you! I feel that the Islamic faith is completely backwards; because muslims think that those actions (Genocide a group after they surrender) are peaceful.

To be honest this reminds me of Mars Attacks; where the little aliens were chasing everyone, with a translator saying “why are you running? we’ve come in peace.” while they’re killing everyone.

Another thing that I would like to ask is if Muhammad > Jesus to muslims why do muslims believe that Jesus will be coming back a second time if he was a mere prophet, and a prophet that is lower the your Muhammad?

Another thing that caught my attention was
The noble koran 2:106 whatever a verse (revelation) do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that allah is able to do all things?

In layman’s terms this is saying that if there is a error made or contradiction made (and there are many) in the koran that your allah can change them to cancel them out and correct them. My question is if your allah is your god then why are there mistakes in the koran in the first place?

God makes no mistakes, at least the (Catholic) Triune God is all perfect and makes no mistakes.

 

[dolphinlove]

yes islam is confusing about many things

 

[paarsurrey]

Another thing that I would like to ask is if Muhammad > Jesus to muslims why do muslims believe that Jesus will be coming back a second time if he was a mere prophet, and a prophet that is lower the your Muhammad?

Hi

That is your misunderstanding of the true concept.

Muhammad/Quran/Islam had established that Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross, Jesus s/o Mary died a respectful and natural death later in far off lands.So he is not to come again in this world literally and physically again, according to true Islamic belief Jesus s/o Mary would never come again.

I am an Ahamdi a peaceful Muslim, we believe that Paul deviated and spoiled the teachings of Jesus, so sort of Jesus spirit got disturbed at this and desired of GodAllahYHWH somebody should rectify his position.

What Muhammad prophesized to come near end of times is not Jesus s/o Mary physically and literall but a metaphoric one, which is fullfilled in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908.

I give here the Prophecy of Muhammad:
Abu Hurairah narrated from the Prophet Muhammad SAW that he said:
I swear by Him in whose hands rests my life or death that you would definitely witness advent of the Ibne Maryam (Son of Mary); a truthful judge (among faiths/religions), he would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine and suspend the war (for religious conversion).
(Bukhari Kitabul Anbeya, Bab Nazul-e Essa Ibne Maryam)

Kindly rectify your misconception.

I respect your religion.

Thanks

 

[ErikaA]

I read this thread with much interest as I will admit, I dislike Islam and I wanted to know if this dislike was unfounded prejudice or rooted in truth.

What I learned is that my dislike is very well justified because in all these postings, I never saw one refutation of the fact that Muhammad had a six year old wife and was basically a blood-thirsty criminal. Please understand, I have no problem with peace loving Muslims, those who do not follow Muhammad’s example and interpret their religion in the light they’re most comfortable with. But I can have no respect for a religion whose founder is a murderous pedophile.

 

[Reuben_J]

It is understandable you feel that way.

No matter what Muslim apologists tell us, the fact remains that Mohammad married a 6 year-old who was small enough to be his grand daughter and had sex with her when she was nine. He also killed a person for writing an insulting poem about him.

Every Muslim would look to Mohammad as a guide on how to act and behave. One would think it is not surprising therefore that any percieved insult to him would be met with fatal response from his followers. They only do what he himself would have done.

And isn’t it true today - no insult on Mohammad is tolerated. The latest example is the lady in Sudan who allowed a teddy bear to be named Mohammad.