If Mary is sinless, she would not have stated “my Savior”
You walked right into that one! LOL!
Mary NEVER stated “when” she was saved.
Can you? At birth? At 12 years old? When?
Can you provide any evidence that she “wasn’t” saved before she was born? Scriptural evidence?
She was “formed” sinless. She was saved by God “before” she was born. Don’t you know of the Prophecy of Jesus being born of a virgin from the house of David? It was referring specifically “to” Mary. God had her in His mind since Genesis 3.
Also, notice, she calls “God” her saviour, not God The Son, but God period…that means it included God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit (all three) so she was saved while all three were one uniformally…this shows it “had to” be “before” Jesus was even conceived in Mary’s womb.
She couldn’t be full of grace and have been a sinner simultaneously…impossible. Sinners aren’t saved. Those made sinless by the sacrifice of Jesus could be saved, but not someone who came “before” Jesus’ sacrifice.
You are correct that Mary was saved before Jesus was even born. Mary “obtained grace from God,” and was made the mother of God because she heard the word
of God spoken by the angel Gabriel and believed it and acted according to it. It was thus not her inherent worth, but the grace of God bestowed upon her and the resulting faith that came from hearing God’s word to her that she became blessed.
When? When she said obeyed God? Or was it before she was born? Do you believe that God would form the flesh of His Son on earth out of sinful flesh?
God would start with pure flesh, not with recycled flesh!
Mary was not sinless. If you say that she was sinless, you have to also say that Mary’s mother who boure Mary in her womb must also be sinless, and so on to Mary’s mother’s mother…
Jesus was formed sinless in Mary’s womb.
See that? By your own reasoning, you just proved that Mary is sinless because Jesus was.
Nothing is impossible to God. Even if a sinner to boure the Savior in her womb.
You’re right…if God wanted to create His Son of the purest flesh He ever formed in the womb of any woman (namely Saint Ann), He could make Mary sinless.
Are you saying it’s impossible for God to have done so?
Does the Bible state that Mary was born a sinner (and don’t even think if using the “all have sinned” verse, because that would condemn Jesus as He was born of a woman)?
If Mary had said ‘no’, God would still have sent Jesus to become flesh to another woman. For nothing is impossible with God (Luk1:37). But God knowing full well her answer, ‘favor’ Mary.
So then, according to you, there was no prophecy that Jesus was to be born of a certain woman at a certain time in history from a certain line (The Davidic Line)?
Jesus was never created. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
Same thing:
dictionary.reference.com/browse/create
Main Entry: create
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: develop
Synonyms: actualize, author, beget, build, coin, compose, conceive, concoct, constitute, construct, contrive, design, devise, discover, dream up, effect, erect, establish, fabricate, fashion, father, forge, form, formulate, found, generate, hatch, imagine, initiate, institute, invent, invest, make, occasion, organize, originate, parent, perform, plan, procreate, produce, rear, set up, shape, sire, spawn, start
The ‘woman’ is the church if you read commentaries on Revelation 12.
Commentaries? Of who? Of men? What does The Scripture say she is?
Here’s your answer:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3254493#post3254493
In verse 49, Jesus was pointing his hand ‘toward’ the disciples who had believe in Him. Because of their belief
in Jesus as the Messiah, He call them ‘my mother and my brethren’.
Right, but that isnt’ the “end” of the passage. That is a one verse of it.
And who was THE FIRST one to believe in Jesus?
Who was the first Believer?
Who “knew” Jesus before anyone of us?
Some Christians brag about having Jesus, but in reality, only one woman really “had” Jesus…and that was His mother Mary.
I mean, she literally had Jesus “in” her.
If some think that they are blessed because they have an allegorical relationship with Him, imagine how much more blessed Mary was for having a “real” relationship with Him…Oh wait, that’s right, she’s called “blessed among alllllll women.”
You are so making my points for me.
Jesus did not single out His mother or disrespect her. In verse 50, Jesus said that 'whoever does the will of my Father’
is my brother and sister and mother.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but did you say that Jesus denied His own mother?
That to me is a serious offense against the commandment that we are to “honor” our mothers.
Having Mary as the center of your faith, dishonor Jesus and God.
Or course. But that only applies to those who have her as the center of their faith and not to Catholics. I’m sure there has to be some non-Catholic sect that literally worships Mary out there.
There are some that use snakes to worship God, so why not some who worship Mary too?
