Why is it wrong to love Mary?

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Goth_Catholic:
As I said in my post #514, if you follow the road that Rome built, please check the road where it is leading you. Check if it is true.

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"As Mary is crowned Queen in Heaven, she becomes the dispensatrix of the graces she acquired on earth. For, Mary “(t)aken up to heaven…did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.” (16) It is truly a great thing to have Mary as our Queen Mother interceding on our behalf. Without her, we dare not come before Christ, unfaithful sinners that we are! (17) But with Mary, we have someone petitioning Our Lord to have mercy on us. Someone whom the Lord will not refuse. (18) "
  1. "she becomes the dispensatrix of the graces " -
    How sad that what Christ did on the cross is not enought, that His mother (human not god) gives the grace to man.
Eph 2:8] For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–
  1. “her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation” -
    Some post in this forum state that Mary is not the source of salvation. It sure contradict what it say.
Hbr 9:15] For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance-now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
  1. “we have someone petitioning Our Lord to have mercy on us” -
    We don’t need anyone to ask God to have mercy on us. God will
Rom 9:15] For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”*
Rom 9:16] It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
Rom 9:18] Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
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Namesake said:
How can Jesus be Davidic if Joseph wasn’t his biological father? I know… God can do anything. But it’s a very good point that Jews bring up.
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Mary was of the house of David. I belive it’s also Jewish law that the offspring belong to the tride of the mother.
 
area52 said:
As I said in my post #514, if you follow the road that Rome built, please check the road where it is leading you. Check if it is true.

This statement is from link you posted-

"As Mary is crowned Queen in Heaven, she becomes the dispensatrix of the graces she acquired on earth. For, Mary “(t)aken up to heaven…did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.” (16) It is truly a great thing to have Mary as our Queen Mother interceding on our behalf. Without her, we dare not come before Christ, unfaithful sinners that we are! (17) But with Mary, we have someone petitioning Our Lord to have mercy on us. Someone whom the Lord will not refuse. (18) "
  1. "she becomes the dispensatrix of the graces " -
    How sad that what Christ did on the cross is not enought, that His mother (human not god) gives the grace to man.
Eph 2:8] For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–

How sad you don’t belive Christ can do anything. Inculding granting his mother the honor of being the Mediatrix of all graces.
  1. “her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation” -
    Some post in this forum state that Mary is not the source of salvation. It sure contradict what it say.
Hbr 9:15] For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance-now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Mary is not the source of salvation. Mary helps us obtain salvation
  1. “we have someone petitioning Our Lord to have mercy on us” -
    We don’t need anyone to ask God to have mercy on us. God will
Rom 9:15] For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”*
Rom 9:16] It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.
Rom 9:18] Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

It’s not about wether or not we need it. It’s the fact that it occurs.
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2ndGen:
First of all, I apologize to you for saying you are arrogant. I was just ticked off with the rolling head- :rotfl:
A. I never said that Mary was more powerful than Jesus.
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I was responding to the text from Pius IX, Bull Ineffabilis Deus (see #481). Reading this, made Mary to have more power.
B. Jesus cannot be a mediatrix. He’s a man.
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The root word of mediatrix is mediator. There is only one mediator, which is Jesus
C. How am I being arrogant by correcting you? You made and upsurd comparison of Jesus to Mary as a mediatrix (something that Jesus cannot be compared to Mary as being).
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sorry for sounding arrogant. My appology.

-Taken from post#481-
However, that community of suffering and sorrow between the Mother and her Son (which we have already described) has merited the venerable Virgin to be ‘with her only -begotten Son the most powerful Mediatrix and Conciliatrix of the whole world’ (Pius IX, Bull Ineffabilis Deus)."

How can I not compare? The essense of the sentence is that Mary is most powerful mediat(or/rix).
Mary is “not” required for one receiving grace…
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All required to received grace. How to received grace is to have faith/belief on Jesus.

[Rom 3:10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
[Rom 3:23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Jesus’ neck, His head, the flesh sacrificed, the blood spilled came from only one human being…Mary. He came “from” Mary physically. There’s nothing wrong with affirming that because it’s 100% true.
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Jesus birth is important. God must become flesh for man so that man will know how God loves them by His dying on the cross. **However, if we place more importance in His birth, than His dying to save man kind, His dying is minimized. **Without the cross, there is no salvation for man who do not believed in what Jesus did.
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area52 said:
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2ndGen:
The root word of mediatrix is mediator. There is only one mediator
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, which is Jesus

Exactly. There is one mediator

-Taken from post#481-
However, that community of suffering and sorrow between the Mother and her Son (which we have already described) has merited the venerable Virgin to be ‘with her only -begotten Son the most powerful Mediatrix and Conciliatrix of the whole world’ (Pius IX, Bull Ineffabilis Deus)."

How can I not compare? The essense of the sentence is that Mary is most powerful mediat(or/rix).

Again, the difference between mediator and mediatrix. Mary is the mediatrix not the mediator. A mediator can be both a man and a woman. A mediatrix can only be a woman. Christ is the one mediator and indeed it is true one goes to the father accept through him. Mediatrix comes out of mediator. In order to have the word Mediatrix, you must have the word mediator. Mary goes to Jesus, just as Mediatrix comes from mediator.

All required to received grace. How to received grace is to have faith/belief on Jesus.

[Rom 3:10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
[Rom 3:23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

All in this case does not refer to “all” because Paul would have had to inculde Jesus, which is not possible.

Jesus birth is important. God must become flesh for man so that man will know how God loves them by His dying on the cross. **However, if we place more importance in His birth, than His dying to save man kind, His dying is minimized. **Without the cross, there is no salvation for man who do not believed in what Jesus did.

We are not placing more importance on his birth.
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Let me just say this… During church on last sunday, i did not hear the word Mary said at all. That alone should tell everyone that we catholics go to church to worship one person and that is Jesus Christ our Lord. Thanks for listening.
 
cradlecathlic26 said:
Let me just say this… During church on last sunday, i did not hear the word Mary said at all. That alone should tell everyone that we catholics go to church to worship one person and that is Jesus Christ our Lord. Thanks for listening.
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You didn’t say the Nicene creed?
 
Yes, we said the creed, but other than that, i didnt recall Mary being said. Anyhow, in the creed does it say we worship Mary? Did not think so…
 
area52 said:
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2ndGen:
Jesus birth is important. God must become flesh for man so that man will know how God loves them by His dying on the cross. **However, if we place more importance in His birth, than His dying to save man kind, His dying is minimized. **
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Without the cross, there is no salvation for man who do not believed in what Jesus did.

Water under the bridge! :hug3:

Now, I’m the biggest proponent of Jesus’ death being the saving grace. You won’t get any argument from me there.
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I find the Bible is rather silent on Mary, so I don’t think anyone will find any passage that explicitly says, “thou shall not love Mary”

for me personally, my lack of love for Mary is a result of my experience with her in my devotional life and spirituality. I won’t elaborate beyond that because I may offend some people here and that is not my intent.

My reason for not loving her came through experience
 
cradlecathlic26 said:
Yes, we said the creed, but other than that, i didnt recall Mary being said. Anyhow, in the creed does it say we worship Mary? Did not think so…
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In my church my priest always ends the Mass by telling us to say a Hail Mary to our Blessed Virgin. He loves Her. 🙂
 
peary said:
I find your use of the past tense an interesting insight - "…we consider that Mary had her role in the church just like Paul and Isaiah did…" I don’t think the Church has ever stopped believing for one moment that either Paul or Isaiah’s role has been completed. Through their writings and through the Spirit their roles continue, bringing the word of God to the world through scripture. Much in the same way, Mary’s role, though completed here on earth, continues to be recognized and felt in the Church because she is mother of the Church. If the Church is the mystical body of Christ, then she is our mother because it is we who make up the body of Christ on earth. That has always been the Church’s understanding, in both east and west.

It probably depends on one’s psychology and how he or she approaches the tenets of his or her faith and religion. Sometimes, a person will find a surrogate mother in Mary, or an extension of his or her own ideal of what consitutes motherhood. The same is true of any of the saints that we honor and to whom we have a particular devotion, perhaps a father or brother figure, etc. And this is fine. They all lead to Christ, maybe not in the way you can comprehend, but they do. And Scripture sums it all up for us in her command to the servants at the wedding feast at Cana: “Do whatever He tells you to do.” That is how She brings us to her Son, and has been a definite instruction to the rest of believers for over two-thousand years.
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It’s true that at Cana Mary said “do whatever He tells you to do” … that’s what we are doing : since we know we have to do what Jesus says, we go … directly to him, why should we go to him through Mary or another “saint” ?
And for me Mary is not the mother of the Church …

As for my use of the past tense, it is true that we can still read Paul’s, Isaiah’s and other prophets’ writing, it is true that we can also see how Mary and other Christians lived their faith ( thanks to what we read about them in the New Testament ) so OK for the present tense … in this sense …
 
uglygal said:
I find the Bible is rather silent on Mary, so I don’t think anyone will find any passage that explicitly says, “thou shall not love Mary”

for me personally, my lack of love for Mary is a result of my experience with her in my devotional life and spirituality. I won’t elaborate beyond that because I may offend some people here and that is not my intent.

My reason for not loving her came through experience
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Hi there…opposite for me…i do love Mary because she brings me closer to Jesus Christ…you know what I have some experiences, especially when I’m seeking my first time job after graduation…i really prayed very hard, cause among my friends, i was the only one without work…i really am getting desperate because i do like to help my family regarding our expenses…i prayed so hard but am getting pretty disappointed and impatient at the same time…but one time i switched on to ewtn and there was this divine mercy prayer using the holy rosary…it was kinda new to me but i learn the prayer and then prayed it thru the rosary beads…i asked for Mama Mary’s intercession and to my surprise, the company that once rejected me, gave me a call and said that they’re giving me another chance…and the next is history…i really am so very happy and very thankful…really, i couldnt explain what i felt after asking for Mary’s help to pray for me to our Lord… 🙂
 
Huguenot said:
It’s true that at Cana Mary said “do whatever He tells you to do” … that’s what we are doing : since we know we have to do what Jesus says, we go … directly to him, why should we go to him through Mary or another “saint” ?
And for me Mary is not the mother of the Church …

As for my use of the past tense, it is true that we can still read Paul’s, Isaiah’s and other prophets’ writing, it is true that we can also see how Mary and other Christians lived their faith ( thanks to what we read about them in the New Testament ) so OK for the present tense … in this sense …
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Who do you think sends the Blessed Mother? Her Son, Jesus christ. All of Mary’s apparitions, Her Son sends Her in order for you to believe that God exists. Her words exactly to the visionaries were “I am here to tell you that God exists”. Why wouldn’t He send His mother? In my own beliefs and I am stressing my own, most people are not worthy to even see the face of Christ, and I believe that He sends Her to warn others and to believe in Him. Do you believe you are worthy to see the face of christ? Are you free from all sin? ALL sin?
 
Righteousone said:
Who do you think sends the Blessed Mother? Her Son, Jesus christ. All of Mary’s apparitions, Her Son sends Her in order for you to believe that God exists. Her words exactly to the visionaries were “I am here to tell you that God exists”. Why wouldn’t He send His mother? In my own beliefs and I am stressing my own, most people are not worthy to even see the face of Christ, and I believe that He sends Her to warn others and to believe in Him. Do you believe you are worthy to see the face of christ? Are you free from all sin? ALL sin?
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very well said righteousone…and i’m kinda confused about others were saying that we Catholics are worshipping Mary…cause most certainly its not about placing her in the same level as God…not like that…its more of having a prayer partner…like when we have some petitions and were seeking other people’s help to pray for us…right? and its like the same when we are asking help from other Saints and of course Mama Mary to help us and be there with us in prayer to our Lord… 😉
 
lilia_psalm23 said:
very well said righteousone…and i’m kinda confused about others were saying that we Catholics are worshipping Mary…cause most certainly its not about placing her in the same level as God…not like that…its more of having a prayer partner…like when we have some petitions and were seeking other people’s help to pray for us…right? and its like the same when we are asking help from other Saints and of course Mama Mary to help us and be there with us in prayer to our Lord… 😉
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Please do not be confused by what others say…The Blessed Mother needs you to pray to her. Her Son demands this.😉
 
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