Why is it wrong to love Mary?

[Goth_Catholic]

Well , be careful : if , moreover, you speak French, I might fall in love …

Je vous salue, Marie, pleine de grace.
Le Seigneur est avec vous.
Vous etes benie entre toutes les femmes,
et Jesus, le fruit de vos entrailles, est beni.
Sainte Marie, Mere de Dieu,
Priez pour nous, pauvres pecheurs,
maintenant et a l’heure de notre mort.
Amen

Huguenot, clever name. The huguenots were french protestants during the reformation, for those of my brothers and sisters who didnt know. My mother’s family is from France, and we dont have a single protestant in our direct line

 

[peary]

It’s true that at Cana Mary said “do whatever He tells you to do” … that’s what we are doing : since we know we have to do what Jesus says, we go … directly to him, why should we go to him through Mary or another “saint” ?
And for me Mary is not the mother of the Church …

As for my use of the past tense, it is true that we can still read Paul’s, Isaiah’s and other prophets’ writing, it is true that we can also see how Mary and other Christians lived their faith ( thanks to what we read about them in the New Testament ) so OK for the present tense … in this sense …

**I don’t know if you are Catholic Christian, protestant Christian, or what, but, there are many many titles that the Church has honored Mary with throughout the past 2000 years. You need to read Vatican II’s document on *Mary, Mother of the Church *to understand why the Church considers her the Church’s mother. In some ways you bring up a legitimate point: why go through Mary or any other saint when you can go straight to Jesus?

The fact is: you don’t have to. But the Church teaches that those who belong to the body of Christ of earth do not cease being an integral part of that body upon death. Because of this, praying for each other is simply part of what Christians do. As Paul writes in 1 Timothy 2:1–4, it is strongly encouraged for Christians to intercede for many different things. He also asks for those to whom he writes to pray for him and vice versa in other letters. Most fundamentally, Jesus himself required us to pray for others, and not only for those who asked us to do so (Matt. 5:44).

The practice of asking others to pray for us is highly recommended in Scripture. The New Testament would not recommend it if there were not benefits coming from it. And in my own personal devotions, I have found that the saints can support my own weaknesses and and supply what is lacking in my own faith and devotion.

Having others praying for us is a good thing, not something to be despised or set aside. Of course, we should pray directly to Christ with every pressing need we have (cf. John 14:13–14). That’s something the Catholic Church strongly encourages. In fact, the prayers of the Mass, the central act of Catholic worship, are directed to God and Jesus, not the saints. But this does not mean that we should not also ask our fellow Christians, including those in heaven, to pray with us. And the Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us.**

 

[2ndGen]

For all of my whitty comments, for all of the Scriptural proofs I can provide, for all of the theological justifications I could make, the reason that I love Mary (as why I love Peter and The Apostles, Paul, Stephen, etc…) is because of what I read about her.

How magnificent must Mary have been in person if the very limited writings on her Scripturally have caused so much love for her?

One can tell by her Offspring that she had to be special. She had to be Holy before she gave birth to Jesus.

Even while I was an agnostic/atheist/anti-Catholic/secularist, I never felt the need to belittle her, to diminish what was generally accepted of her, nor to ponder what her personal practices were as far as what “state” she was in after giving birth to Jesus.

I always, always, always loved her without even knowing why. I always respected her. I never had anything against Jesus either. I never didn’t believe in them and I never saw the need to be “unChristian” towards them in my words.

I can’t really explain other than to say that I loved her before I came to know her as a devout Catholic Christian.

I laugh when I’m told that the only reason that I defend her is because I’m Catholic. First of all, The Mother Of God, The Queen of Heaven, The Blessed Mother doesn’t need my lowly self to defend her…She has Jesus and The Angels and The Saints and The Church Fathers and God to do that for her.

I was defending her honor even before I reverted back to my faith and it was this verbal abuse of her reputation that made me realize that those that did that, didn’t have Jesus Christ residing in their hearts for Jesus wouldn’t betray His own mother by associating with those who would do that.

I love her because of what I “read” in The Holy Bible.

No apologetics needed, not volumes of secular books, no Concordances or Catholic Encyclopedias…The Scriptures are enough for me.

God bless and keep our Holy Mother.

Amen

 

[2ndGen]

Mary causes unity with The Sheep.

And causes division for The Goats.

Mary’s song when Jesus was a baby?

“Mary had a little Lamb, little Lamb, little Lamb.
Mary had a little Lamb who’s fleece was white as snow.”

I wonder if it came from this verse in Scripture?

Revelation 1:14
“And his head and his hair were white as white wool,
white as snow;…”

(When talking about Jesus, The Lamb of God, The Lamb that Mary “had”)

 

[Jimmy_B]

I find the Bible is rather silent on Mary

,…
Hello uglygal, here five pages of “Mary” verses, found in the Bible.

Page 1 of 5

Genesis (NAB) 3:15

15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel.”

Revelation (NAB) 12

1 A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was with child… …(4) Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne. 6 The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days.
10 Anyone destined for captivity goes into captivity. Anyone destined to be slain by the sword shall be slain by the sword. Such is the faithful endurance of the holy ones.
17 Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus. (Revelation
(NAB) 12)

Revelation (NAB) 13

(8)… all whose names were not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life, which belongs to the Lamb who was slain.9 Whoever has ears ought to hear these words.10 Anyone destined for captivity goes into captivity. Anyone destined to be slain by the sword shall be slain by the sword. Such is the faithful endurance of the holy ones.

Isaiah (NAB) 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you this sign: the virgin (Mary) shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel. (Isaiah (NAB) 7)

 

[Jimmy_B]

I find the Bible is rather silent on Mary

,…
Hello uglygal, here five pages of “Mary” verses, found in the Bible.

Page 2 of 5

Luke 1

27 to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary.28 And coming to her, he said, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”29 But she was greatly troubled at what was said and pondered what sort of greeting this might be.30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.31 Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus.32 He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”34 But Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?” 35 And the angel said to her in reply, “The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power you have found favor with God. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.36 And behold, Elizabeth, your relative, has also conceived a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren; 37 for nothing will be impossible for God.”38 Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.” Then the angel departed from her. (Luke 1:27 (NAB) 1)

Matthew 1

18 Now this is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about. When his mother Marywas betrothed to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found with child through the holy Spirit. 19 Joseph her husband, since he was a righteous man, yet unwilling to expose her to shame, decided to divorce her quietly. 20 Such was his intention when, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Maryyour wife into your home. For it is through the holy Spirit that this child has been conceived in her. 21 She will bear a son and you are to name him Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:

23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and bear a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel,” which means “God is with us.” 24 When Joseph awoke, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took his wife into his home.25 He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus. (Matthew 1:18-25 (NAB) 1)

Luke 1

39 During those days **Mary **set out and traveled to the hill country in haste to a town of Judah,40 where she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth.41 When Elizabeth heard **Mary’s **greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit,42 cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.43 And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy.45 Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled.” (Luke 1:30-45 (NAB) 1)

 

[Jimmy_B]

I find the Bible is rather silent on Mary

,…
Hello uglygal, here five pages of “Mary” verses, found in the Bible.

Page 3 of 5

Luke 1 (song of Mary)

46 And Mary said: “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord;
47 my spirit rejoices in God my savior.
48 For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed.
49 The Mighty One has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
50 His mercy is from age to age to those who fear him.
51 He has shown might with his arm, dispersed the arrogant of mind and heart.
52 He has thrown down the rulers from their thrones but lifted up the lowly.
53 The hungry he has filled with good things; the rich he has sent away empty.
54 He has helped Israel his servant, remembering his mercy,
55 according to his promise to our fathers, to Abraham and to his descendants forever.”
56 Mary remained with her about three months and then returned to her home. (Luke 1:46-56 (NAB) 1)

Luke 2

5 to be enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child.6 While they were there, the time came for her to have her child,7 and she gave birth to her firstborn son. She wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
(Luke 2:5-7 (NAB) 2)

Luke 2

16 So they went in haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the infant lying in the manger.17 When they saw this, they made known the message that had been told them about this child.18 All who heard it were amazed by what had been told them by the shepherds.19 And **Mary **kept all these things, reflecting on them in her heart.20 Then the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had heard and seen, just as it had been told to them. (Luke 2:16-20 (NAB) 2)

Luke 2

34 and Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, “Behold, this child is destined for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be contradicted35 (and you yourself a sword will pierce) so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.” (Luke 2:34,35(NAB) 2)

Matthew 2:13

…”Rise, take the child and his mother, flee to Egypt,”

 

[Jimmy_B]

I find the Bible is rather silent on Mary

,…
Hello uglygal, here five pages of “Mary” verses, found in the Bible.

Page 4 of 5

Luke (NAB) 2

48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished, and his mother said to him, “Son, why have you done this to us? Your father and I (Mary) have been looking for you with great anxiety.”49 And he said to them, “Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?” 50 But they did not understand what he said to them.
51 He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and his mother kept all these things in her heart.

John (NAB) 2

1 On the third day there was a wedding in Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. 2 Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the wedding.3 When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”4 (And) Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the servers, “Do whatever he tells you.”
11 Jesus did this as the beginning of his signs in Cana in Galilee and so revealed his glory, and his disciples began to believe in him. 12 After this, he and his mother, (his) brothers, and his disciples went down to Capernaum and stayed there only a few days.

Mark 6

3 Is he not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him. 4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his native place and among his own kin and in his own house.” 5 So he was not able to perform any mighty deed there, apart from curing a few sick people by laying his hands on them. (Mark 6:3-5 (NAB) 6)

Matthew 13

55 Is he not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?56 Are not his sisters all with us? Where did this man get all this?”57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his native place and in his own house.”58 And he did not work many mighty deeds there because of their lack of faith. (Matthew 13:55-58 (NAB) 13)

Matthew 1

16 Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Of her was born Jesus who is called the Messiah.
17 Thus the total number of generations from Abraham to David is fourteen generations; from David to the Babylonian exile, fourteen generations; from the Babylonian exile to the Messiah, fourteen generations. (Matthew (NAB) 1)

 

[Jimmy_B]

I find the Bible is rather silent on Mary

,…
Hello uglygal, here five pages of “Mary” verses, found in the Bible.

Page 5 of 5

Matthew 2

11 and on entering the house they saw the child with Mary his mother. They prostrated themselves and did him homage. Then they opened their treasures and offered him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. 12 And having been warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed for their country by another way. (Matthew 2:11,12 (NAB) 2)

***John (NAB) 19 ***

25 Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala. 26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.

Acts 1

12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day’s journey away; 13 and when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James. 14 All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

13

1 When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. 2 And suddenly a sound came from heaven like the rush of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared to them tongues as of fire, distributed and resting on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

 

[Huguenot]

Huguenot;3271094:

I could understand your point of view, but is it a scriptural point of view?

Does the bible say that it is wrong to pray to the deaceased?

Jesus “communicated” with the “dead” when He conversed with Moses and Elijah in His transfiguration did’nt He?

1. do you get “transfigured” like Jesus when you speak to the dead ?
2. do you speak to them only when they appear to you as they did in Jesus’s case ?
   3.Elijah didn’t die, if I remember well in the Old Testament we are told he was taken to heaven alive .
3. There is something mysterious as to what happened with Moses’s body : we learn, nearly incidentally, in the New Testament, that the devil and an angel ( or archangel ) fought for his body ( Michael ? I’m not sure )

5.Wasn’t the aim of this transfiguration to show Jesus’s future glory ???

 

[Huguenot]

Oui oui!

youtube.com/watch?v=JEdBndu0YUM

http://tkfiles.storage.live.com/y1p...dwIA9Pa0n4BYwVoZzkGRaOyDKr_EpUZiXWhE5T4ueRw7M

but isn’t the fact that I’m a Protestant a problem ?

“you cannot deny …” but of course it can be denied !!! and another problem is : what was the role of an “episcop” ( bishop ) as described in the epistles ? it seems quite close to the role of the “elders”, people who “conducted” a local church, not what it later became in the Anglican and Catholic churches …

yes yes I know I’m a schismatic, maybe I’m a Donatist too ( don’t even know what it means … )

and the photo you joined to the post … I don’t think you had all this in New Testament times : where is it written that elders/ bishops should wear “specific” clothes ??? be in rich palaces and so on ???
that rather drives me away from the Catholic church … ( same reaction for the Anglican church --“High church”-- )

 

[Huguenot]

Je vous salue, Marie, pleine de grace.
Le Seigneur est avec vous.
Vous etes benie entre toutes les femmes,
et Jesus, le fruit de vos entrailles, est beni.
Sainte Marie, Mere de Dieu,
Priez pour nous, pauvres pecheurs,
maintenant et a l’heure de notre mort.
Amen

Huguenot, clever name. The huguenots were french protestants during the reformation, for those of my brothers and sisters who didnt know. My mother’s family is from France, and we dont have a single protestant in our direct line

There aren’t any Protestants in my family either : I come from an atheist background…( I was an atheist to before I converted to Jesus Christ )

 

[Huguenot]

Je vous salue, Marie, pleine de grace.
Le Seigneur est avec vous.
Vous etes benie entre toutes les femmes,
et Jesus, le fruit de vos entrailles, est beni.
Sainte Marie, Mere de Dieu,
Priez pour nous, pauvres pecheurs,
maintenant et a l’heure de notre mort.
Amen

Huguenot, clever name. The huguenots were french protestants during the reformation, for those of my brothers and sisters who didnt know. My mother’s family is from France, and we dont have a single protestant in our direct line

There aren’t any Protestants in my family either : I come from an atheist background…( I was an atheist to before I converted to Jesus Christ )

 

[Huguenot]

Who do you think sends the Blessed Mother? Her Son, Jesus christ. All of Mary’s apparitions, Her Son sends Her in order for you to believe that God exists. Her words exactly to the visionaries were “I am here to tell you that God exists”. Why wouldn’t He send His mother? In my own beliefs and I am stressing my own, most people are not worthy to even see the face of Christ, and I believe that He sends Her to warn others and to believe in Him. Do you believe you are worthy to see the face of christ? Are you free from all sin? ALL sin?

No I’m not worthy to see the face of Christ, no I’m not free from all sin …
But Jesus doesn’t ask us to be free of all sin to come to Him …
If we are saved, it is only by God’s grace …not because we “deserve” to be saved : we don’t and never will …

As for Mary she is in the glory of God, she doesn’t appear anywhere …

 

[Huguenot]

**I don’t know if you are Catholic Christian, protestant Christian, or what, but, there are many many titles that the Church has honored Mary with throughout the past 2000 years. You need to read Vatican II’s document on *Mary, Mother of the Church ***to understand why the Church considers her the Church’s mother. In some ways you bring up a legitimate point: why go through Mary or any other saint when you can go straight to Jesus?

The fact is: you don’t have to. But the Church teaches that those who belong to the body of Christ of earth do not cease being an integral part of that body upon death. Because of this, praying for each other is simply part of what Christians do. As Paul writes in 1 Timothy 2:1–4, it is strongly encouraged for Christians to intercede for many different things. He also asks for those to whom he writes to pray for him and vice versa in other letters. Most fundamentally, Jesus himself required us to pray for others, and not only for those who asked us to do so (Matt. 5:44).

The practice of asking others to pray for us is highly recommended in Scripture. The New Testament would not recommend it if there were not benefits coming from it. And in my own personal devotions, I have found that the saints can support my own weaknesses and and supply what is lacking in my own faith and devotion.

Having others praying for us is a good thing, not something to be despised or set aside. Of course, we should pray directly to Christ with every pressing need we have (cf. John 14:13–14). That’s something the Catholic Church strongly encourages. In fact, the prayers of the Mass, the central act of Catholic worship, are directed to God and Jesus, not the saints. But this does not mean that we should not also ask our fellow Christians, including those in heaven, to pray with us. And the Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us.

I’m a Protestant Christian and … French ( hence my “name” on this forum : French Protestants ( more precisely Reformed Protestants ) were called “huguenots” … but I’m Evangelical …
Thank you for telling me the Catholic Church doesn’t teach that we HAVE TO go to Jesus THROUGH Mary or another saint … so even if I am a Protestant, by not doing so I don’t do anything contrary to the teachings of the Catholic church, I’m not as heretical as I thought then

 

[Jimmy_B]

Early Christianity and Mary

Mary mentioned before there was a “Bible”:

**

St. Antonius

** (circa 250 - 350): “*All graces that have ever been bestowed on men, all came through *Mary.”

**Mary, mentioned before there was a “Protestant” religion: **

**

**St. Bernard **

**(1090 - 1153): “**Mary is called] the gate of heaven, because no one can enter that blessed kingdom without passing through her.”

St. Bonaventure (1221 - 1274): “*As the moon, which stands between the sun and the earth, transmits to this latter whatever it receives from the former, so does *Mary pour out upon us who are in this world the heavenly graces that she receives from the divine sun of justice.”

Unfortunately, there have always been those who would rewrite history, including those who have rewritten Christian history.

**The Roman Catholic Church did not “make-up” Mary doctrine, the Roman Catholic Church, defined Mary, in the context of the Bible and Christian history and passed it down to us. **

**To “argue” against the Roman Catholic Church’s doctrine on Mary, is to argue against the Bible and to argue against history, specifically Christian history and to deny or ignore early Christians and what they actually believed. **

 

[Huguenot]

Early Christianity and Mary

Mary mentioned before there was a “Bible”:

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**Mary, mentioned before there was a “Protestant” religion: **

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Unfortunately, there have always been those who would rewrite history, including those who have rewritten Christian history.

**The Roman Catholic Church did not “make-up” Mary doctrine, the Roman Catholic Church, defined Mary, in the context of the Bible and Christian history and passed it down to us. **

**To “argue” against the Roman Catholic Church’s doctrine on Mary, is to argue against the Bible and to argue against history, specifically Christian history and to deny or ignore early Christians and what they actually believed. **

In John’s Gospel, Jesus Himself said “I AM THE GATE”, so how could anyone say the gate to heaven is Mary ???

 

[Jimmy_B]

I find the Bible is rather silent on Mary…

This is a myth.

Here are the facts:

There exist more than 2600 people named in the KJV Bible alone, so statistically speaking Mary is one of the most mentioned figures in the Bible.

What is your definition of “rather silent”? Your quote (above) is a “Protestant” term that I have heard and read many times, it is false and it is an anti-Catholic lie.

The phrase that; “the Bible is rather silent on Mary” isn’t a new phrase and technically these words are not even your own. They are words that Protestants and anti-Catholic persons have been repeating for many years; however, they do not square with the facts.

Just because something is repeated over and over, doesn’t make it true.

 

[uglygal]

Hi there…opposite for me…i do love Mary because she brings me closer to Jesus Christ…you know what I have some experiences, especially when I’m seeking my first time job after graduation…i really prayed very hard, cause among my friends, i was the only one without work…i really am getting desperate because i do like to help my family regarding our expenses…i prayed so hard but am getting pretty disappointed and impatient at the same time…but one time i switched on to ewtn and there was this divine mercy prayer using the holy rosary…it was kinda new to me but i learn the prayer and then prayed it thru the rosary beads…i asked for Mama Mary’s intercession and to my surprise, the company that once rejected me, gave me a call and said that they’re giving me another chance…and the next is history…i really am so very happy and very thankful…really, i couldnt explain what i felt after asking for Mary’s help to pray for me to our Lord…

That’s very nice, I’m happy you had such a wonderful experience

 

[Jimmy_B]

In John’s Gospel, Jesus Himself said “I AM THE GATE”, so how could anyone say the gate to heaven is Mary ???

Like I wrote earlier,

You not arguing with me, you are arguing with Christian history and what early Christians actually believed.

The quote that you posted is from a very prominent early Christian** (Saint Bernard **1090 - 1153), which comes from a time that predates all “Protestant” religions by 400+ years.

You are not disputing my comments, you are disputing the comments of an early Christian (Catholic), who lived long before us.

Are you rewriting Christian history?

As far as your quote,

“John’s Gospel, Jesus Himself said

“I AM THE GATE”…

I am not in disagreement with you or your quote, but please provide the verse.

You may not understand the comment of Saint Bernard, or the context in which he made it, because you apparently do not view or understand Christian history, early Christian tradition or the Bible in context. However, I can assure you that Saint Bernard did not “worship” Mary, if that is what you are trying to imply here.

Catholicism has always been monotheistic, are you disputing that fact as well?

The formation of the Bible took over three hundred years and Christianity was defined over hundreds of years; neither can be fully “understood”, “explained” or appreciated in one paragraph or a handful of Bible verses. To do so, would be to minimize or ignore, both the full richness of the Bible and the richness of Christian history.

Thank you