Why is it wrong to love Mary?

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Goth_Catholic said:
In John’s gospel Jesus always calls his mother “Woman”, a term of endearment. So John, being the author of both the Gospel of John and Revelation, identifies her as Christ did.
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Hello again Goth_Catholic,

Thank you, great post!

I just wanted to add, that I believe that there is a misconception by some non-Catholics that, “the Bible is "rather silent when is comes the Mary”, because she (Mary) isn’t always mentioned specifically by name (More here).

I believe that a deliberate effort by some, to “minimize” Mary, is because venerating, loving or respecting Mary is “way too Catholic” for some and/or because Mary isn’t mention very many times in the Bible, specifically by name.

General Comment -

The focal point of Catholicism is on Jesus Christ. However I believe it is wrong to try to “minimize” or “ignore” Mary and her unique role in Christianity, after-all she is the Mother of God.

Is an effort to “minimize” Mary, really motivated by anti-Catholic forces? I think in some cases, it is.
 
Singinbeauty said:
She lived 16 years after the resurrection? Weren’t there books of the bible written long after that? So then why, if she was such an integral part of Christianity, isn’t there something written in one of the books regarding her assumption? You would think, with the emphasis that catholics put on her, that it would have been a major event written about for christians to know what had happened to the mother of Christ - their mother. 😊
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**Because, as JimmyB points out, Catholicism is about Jesus Christ, that’s why. It isn’t about Mary. Jesus Christ is Who saves us, not Mary. Mary is our spiritual mother and mother of the Church, of course, because of her unique relationship to Christ Who is God. Even so, our getting to heaven is not dependent on Mary or other saints per se; it is dependent on Christ. You can, however, definitely look at Mary and the other saints and see how the love of God has worked in their lives and continues to work in their souls, which makes them role models for Christians and intercessors. Nothing occurs in the lives of those who become saints in the Church without the grace and love of God.

As far as Mary’s Assumption is concerned, it is no different than what we are promised ourselves. And that too is because of the work of God within us. I find it comforting to know my future as a child of God and follower of Christ. Because ALL of us will be raised on the Last Day, and ‘assumed’ into Heaven in a glorified body.

Also, from what we know in our ancient tradition, Mary was revered throughout Christendom until immediately after the protestant revolt, when protestant ecclesial bodies began rejecting that honor, along with practically everything else.

There were several writings that were critiqued during the times of collecting the Canon of NT scripture that revolved around Mary, such as the Proto-evangelium of James (A.D. 125) but we know that these writings were not considered so important as to be included into the canon of scripture. The NT scriptures are the early memoirs of the Church and its message of Salvation to humankind. It isn’t a biography of its saints.**
 
1234 said:
Peary,

Get off your high horse.

This isn’t a college entrance exam.

You’re not in charge here.

A forum is a free-for-all, in case you haven’t guessed.

No one is obliged to “get it” from you or anybody else.
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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. The same is true of questions and answers.
 
Goth_Catholic said:
It says everything about the assumption. Mary appears first and foremost in heaven, secondly crowned, and third pregnant with the male child that will rule all nations.
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Here is what a catholic scholar wrote about Mary being the woman of Revelations 12:

Raymond Brown and J.A. Fitzmyer, editors of the Jerome Biblical Commentary (2:482):
Most of the ancient commentators identified her with the Church; in the Middle Ages it was widely held that she represented Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Modern exegetes have generally adopted the older interpretation, with certain modifications.
In recent years several Catholics have championed the Marian interpretation. Numerous contextual details, however, are ill-suited to such an explanation. For example, we are scarcely to think that Mary endured the worst of the pains of childbirth (v. 2), that she was pursued into the desert after the birth of her child (6, 13ff.), or, finally, that she was persecuted through her other children (v. 17). The emphasis on the persecution of the woman is really appropriate only if she represents the Church, which is presented throughout the book as oppressed by the forces of evil, yet protected by God. Furthermore, the image of a woman is common in ancient Oriental secular literature as well as in the Bible (e.g., Is 50:1; Jer 50:12) as a symbol for a people, a nation, or a city. It is fitting, then, to see in this woman the People of God, the true Israel of the OT and NT.

You have to admit he makes some excellent points when you look at the context and what we know about Mary in the gospels.
 
holy_wood said:
Why didn’t you right the letter to Jesus?

That is the reply Protestants would say.
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Right… :amen: I for one love Mary… I love Paul, I love Elisabeth, I love all the saints. I love my neighbor… I even love the sinner for that matter.:juggle:
 
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justasking4:
justasking4… by the way, I love your post and your threads.

I Wanted to email you and tell you so but I see that you do not accept emails. Well… I will tell the world then.

It is a great joy and a blessing reading your quotes and replies etc.

God bless and keep up the good work!
 
justasking4 said:
Here is what a catholic scholar wrote about Mary being the woman of Revelations 12:

Raymond Brown and J.A. Fitzmyer, editors of the Jerome Biblical Commentary (2:482):
Most of the ancient commentators identified her with the Church; in the Middle Ages it was widely held that she represented Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Modern exegetes have generally adopted the older interpretation, with certain modifications.
In recent years several Catholics have championed the Marian interpretation. Numerous contextual details, however, are ill-suited to such an explanation. For example, we are scarcely to think that Mary endured the worst of the pains of childbirth (v. 2), that she was pursued into the desert after the birth of her child (6, 13ff.), or, finally, that she was persecuted through her other children (v. 17). The emphasis on the persecution of the woman is really appropriate only if she represents the Church, which is presented throughout the book as oppressed by the forces of evil, yet protected by God. Furthermore, the image of a woman is common in ancient Oriental secular literature as well as in the Bible (e.g., Is 50:1; Jer 50:12) as a symbol for a people, a nation, or a city. It is fitting, then, to see in this woman the People of God, the true Israel of the OT and NT.

You have to admit he makes some excellent points when you look at the context and what we know about Mary in the gospels.
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**True, but even so, in Marian apparitions approved by the Church, Our Lady usually appears with a crown of 12 stars above her head, an indication that there is a definite Marian connection to the woman in Revelation.

And we have no way of knowing about the pains of birth she may or may not have suffered. Various theologians have offered interpretations as to why she shouldn’t have suffered, but it actually is an open question.

Also, if you take into consideration that the holy family went fleeing into the desert to Egypt when an angel told Joseph to take them because of Herod’s decision to murder the firstborn, it makes sense.

As for persecution by her own ‘children’, perhaps this has to do with the prophecy that was revealed to her: “and a sword shall pierce your heart”.**
 
peary said:
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As for persecution by her own ‘children’, perhaps this has to do with the prophecy that was revealed to her: “and a sword shall pierce your heart”.**
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Actually it’s much more simple. The entire verse is “Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus.” Basically means Satan waged war against the Christians, and Mary of course is our heavenly mother, we are her “off spring” because by our baptistim we become brothers and sisters of Christ.
 
Goth_Catholic said:
Actually it’s much more simple. The entire verse is “Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus.” Basically means Satan waged war against the Christians, and Mary of course is our heavenly mother, we are her “off spring” because by our baptistim we become brothers and sisters of Christ.
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:amen:
 
Goth_Catholic said:
Actually it’s much more simple. The entire verse is “Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus.” Basically means Satan waged war against the Christians, and Mary of course is our heavenly mother, we are her “off spring” because by our baptistim we become brothers and sisters of Christ.
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It sounds pretty simple to me, but then again I am a Roman Catholic. 😃

Some Bible verses are self evident. For instance, “those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus” are obviously Christian. 👍

For some of our non-Catholic “Protestant” Christian friends, if they cannot interpret a Bible verse to suit their own beliefs, they seem to avoid it all together or produce a verse, which they wrongly believe conflict’s with the first.

There is no such conflict in the Bible when understood and viewed in context.
 
Originally Posted by Hisalone forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cab/viewpost.gif
How many treads has Jimmy B started about his love of Jesus?
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Hello Hilastone,

What are you implying here? You know better. You know from reading my posts that my love for Jesus is great. Moreover, you know that He is the focal point in my life and the focal point of Catholicism.

Go to my profile, I have started many threads about Jesus and defending Jesus and His Church. The “kind” posts don’t last very long because people here don’t seem very interested in my “kinder and Gentler” side. This thread is about Mary, and I believe all of the activity here is because this is an area that Catholics and non-Catholic Christians disagree on.

The Point of this thread is to show that Mary brings us to Jesus. This post is about, and it leads us to Jesus.

*How about this one, or this one , or this one, or this one and so on, and so on… You know I love Jesus 👍 *

*Do you Love Mary? *🙂
 
peary said:
**The Church is only a ‘cult’ to those who are bigoted and anti-Catholic. In fact, there is nothing cultish about the Church at all - everything is out in the open. It does not apologize for the Faith which has come down from the apostles themselves and protected/preserved by the Holy Spirit.

Anyone who has taken the time to read the development of any doctrine will immediately understand that it comes out of the Church’s Scripture and an integrated understanding of those scriptures. There are no ‘extra’ doctrines. They only appear as ‘extra’ to those who do not possess the fullness of Faith.**
Once you begin rejecting bits and pieces of the Faith then you begin to lose it, and your understanding becomes incomplete and, in many cases, warped and wrong.
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  1. They worship other gods.
  2. They make unto themselves “graven images” & bow down.
  3. They give the Glory of Jesus to others.
  4. They turn the truth of God into a lie
  5. They add to and take away from scripture.
 
submittedjoy said:
  1. They worship other gods.
    Mary is not a god, nor do we worship her. Neither are the saints.
  2. They make unto themselves “graven images” & bow down.
    Doesn’t apply to non-Gods;)
  3. They give the Glory of Jesus to others.
    The glory of Jesus is his and his alone.
  4. They turn the truth of God into a lie
    Speak for yourself
  5. They add to and take away from scripture.
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Again, speak for yourself.
 
Jimmy_B said:
Hello Hilastone,

What are you implying here? You know better. You know from reading my posts that my love for Jesus is great. Moreover, you know that He is the focal point in my life and the focal point of Catholicism.

Go to my profile, I have started many threads about Jesus and defending Jesus and His Church. The “kind” posts don’t last very long because people here don’t seem very interested in my “kinder and Gentler” side. This thread is about Mary, and I believe all of the activity here is because this is an area that Catholics and non-Catholic Christians disagree on.

The Point of this thread is to show that Mary brings us to Jesus. This post is about, and it leads us to Jesus.

How about this one, or this one , or this one, or this one and so on, and so on… You know I love Jesus 👍

*Do you Love Mary? *🙂
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I went back to your profile and I looked at the threads you have started. I challenge all posters to do the same. After looking at a page worth of posts. Most were on the Catholic Church a lot about Mary. The only post about Jesus is a question on which of the picturees of Jesus you like best.
YOu have a love of the Catholic Church. I see no evidence that you have a personal relationship with Jesus.
Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus?
Do you know Him as Lord?, as Savior?. as brother? as friend?
 
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