Why Is Marijuana use Immoral?

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Neithan:
You’ll notice that this is a blanket statement about drugs in general, which condemns their (mis)use when they endanger health or contribute to scandal. Marijuana does not *necessarily *do either of these. I think that this paragraph has in mind drugs such as cocaine or heroin–both of which are dangerously addictive and comprise trade substance for the most heinous crime syndicates in the world, built on greed, lust and murder.
For example, recreational use of cannabis has not been shown to damage health to any greater degree than common drugs such as nicotine, caffeine or alcohol; and cannabis-trafficking is not scandalous in countries where it is perfectly legal (e.g. Netherlands).
This is not even to say that cocaine or heroin are *in themselves *sinful. Heroin was actually a painkilling medicine used which led to the development of morphine, and cocaine is an energy-boosting narcotic that was popular in the 19th century before its addictive qualities were found detrimental to the public good. Heck, Pope Leo XIII was particularly fond of a popular cocaine-wine called Vin Mariani. He even gave his ‘official approval’ in a newspaper ad!

In any case, is the weekend pot smoker in Amsterdam committing a grave sin? That would be a hard judgement to justify, and not condemn all the Americans who ‘social drink’.

I hope I’m not too far out of line when I say that the current CCC is a little light on this subject, and should be revised for greater clarification.
Like you I’m not 100% sure but when I see the CCC on alcohol, food, tobacco, and medicine it talks about their abuse (through excess) being sinful whereas in the case of drugs (meaning illegal drugs when not prescribed by a doctor for medical reasons) it talks about use. My own view is that the CCC does not name specific drugs is because it does indeed cover all drugs including marijuana. The most “harmless” drug (I don’t believe there is such a thing) can and often does lead to addiction of worse drugs.
I believe in the use of any drug for a health reason. My daughter in fact was prescribed morphine in hospital for pain caused by a tumour on her pituatory gland. Other people I know have been prescribed marijuana. However, so called “recreational” use of drugs in my view is immoral, scandalous to the Church and a sin, even if one or the other may be legal in some countries.
Abortion is legal in many countries but that is a mortal sin so I don’t think a Catholic can argue that if marijuana is legal somewhere it cannot be a sin to use it.
 
Please consider the following from the 7th chapter of Mark. [Jesus] summoned the crowd again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand. 15 Nothing that enters one from outside can defile that person; but the things that come out from within are what defile.” When he got home away from the crowd his disciples questioned him about the parable. 18 He said to them, “Are even you likewise without understanding? Do you not realize that everything that goes into a person from outside cannot defile, 19 7 since it enters not the heart but the stomach and passes out into the latrine?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 “But what comes out of a person, that is what defiles. 21 From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly. 23 All these evils come from within and they defile.”

The “sinfulness” of marijuana use - along with any other drug use - depends on the motivation of the user. Knowingly breaking laws without good cause is sinful to some extent, whether you are talking about drug use or jay-walking or driving over the speed limit. The CCC makes an allowance for drug use for “theraputic” reasons and there are valid theraputic reasons for using drugs, even illegal drugs, though those reasons are no doubt well overused.

Knowingly using drugs that damage the body with no real balancing benefit is sinful as it unnecessarily makes one a burden on those around him/her.

A clear understanding of the sinfulness of drug use would be easier to have and to share if a person understands clearly the things Jesus lists as being the true cause of immorality.

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Jim
 
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Tedster:
You are absolutely correct. Take abortion as the easiest visible example. But remember, we are required by the Church to observe all just laws. Since this law does not go against the faith, we must adhere to the law. If there were something in the law that made it unjust, then no we wouldn’t need to follow the law. Just my .02.
My grandfather told me that during Prohibition the parish priest (Irish, of course) assured his parishionsers that there was no need to obey such a stupid law. Would that the CCC actually made provision for disobeying stupid laws!!

I wouldn’t have a problem with legalising maijuana for personal use but I’m not an advcate of it.

The drug laws in this country may not be unjust per se but I think the way the “War on Drugs” is being waged is doing more harm than good.
 
what is the difference between aclohol and marijuana anyway? They both produce a level of intoxication or a mild “buzz” when consumed even in moderation (small anoumts of alcohol still have an effect), so aside from the health issues, what is the moral difference?
 
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cynic:
what is the difference between aclohol and marijuana anyway? They both produce a level of intoxication or a mild “buzz” when consumed even in moderation (small anoumts of alcohol still have an effect), so aside from the health issues, what is the moral difference?
The health issues, as I said in my previous post, are all the difference. Doing something that has no health benefits and can only do harm to the health is akin to suicide at worst. At best it’s a deliberate infliction of harm upon the body - given by God to us to be temples of the Holy Spirit and not abused.
 
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LilyM:
The health issues, as I said in my previous post, are all the difference. Doing something that has no health benefits and can only do harm to the health is akin to suicide at worst. At best it’s a deliberate infliction of harm upon the body - given by God to us to be temples of the Holy Spirit and not abused.
so why is smoking legal and marijuana not,( or the converse). Do you agree with making tobacco an illegal substance? I accept that marijuana causes a level fo intoxication, but then so does alcohol in even moderate volumes. It may have long(er) term pyschological effects, but how seroiuse they are depends on who you talk to.

so we end up with a substance that is

*not chemically addictive like harder drugs. Has no withdrawl symptoms.

*generally no more intoxicating that alcohol, and in some ways less (and it isn’t strictly illegal to be intoxicated with alcohol)

*does comparable harm to health to that of smoking - but smoking is legal. Alcohol even in moderation has been shown to increase the risk of cancer.

I’m don’t smoke the stuff, and don’t really care, but I’m curiouse about the position taken that it’s alright to get a bit “merry” with a couple of drinks as long as its in moderation, but not ok to use marijuana.
 
Canadian Marc Emery… the prince of pot and drug kingpin was canned recently by US DEA.
“I sold millions of seeds proudly to people all over the world,” and perhaps 70 percent of them were mailed to the United States, he concedes. “Everything the DEA said is correct – except I don’t buy the charge that I’m poisoning children of America.”
Asked if he has any idea how many of his customers were Americans, Emery says, “Yes, I would think that of the say, 120,000 people I dealt with, I’d say certainly 70,000 would have been Americans.”

That’s why John McKay, the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Washington, wants to bring Emery south, across the border.

Why are the Americans going after Emery, who is a Canadian citizen, and not the Canadian government?

“Well, very simply, he’s a drug dealer,” says McKay. “He’s dealing drugs into the United States and violating laws of the United States and we expect to extradite him and try him in the United States.”
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The situation is immoral when innocent people are lead deceptively into thinking that mind altering chemicals for recreational fun is the way to go.
 
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cynic:
so why is smoking legal and marijuana not,( or the converse). Do you agree with making tobacco an illegal substance? I accept that marijuana causes a level fo intoxication, but then so does alcohol in even moderate volumes. It may have long(er) term pyschological effects, but how seroiuse they are depends on who you talk to.

so we end up with a substance that is

*not chemically addictive like harder drugs. Has no withdrawl symptoms.

*generally no more intoxicating that alcohol, and in some ways less (and it isn’t strictly illegal to be intoxicated with alcohol)

*does comparable harm to health to that of smoking - but smoking is legal. Alcohol even in moderation has been shown to increase the risk of cancer.

I’m don’t smoke the stuff, and don’t really care, but I’m curiouse about the position taken that it’s alright to get a bit “merry” with a couple of drinks as long as its in moderation, but not ok to use marijuana.
The thread isn’t about whether marijuana should or should not be legal - the question is whether it’s IMMORAL. Let’s not confuse the two issues. Lots of things are legal that are arguably immoral - adultery, prostitution, abortion, Donald Trump’s hairdo …

Smoking tobacco and getting drunk (let’s call it what it is, rather than ‘merry’) are, at least for Catholics, out and out immoral because they’re a sinful abuse of the body.

The extent of the immorality and sin depends on a couple of factors - knowledge of the harms, intention to continue in spite of that knowledge, level of consumption of tobacco or alcohol.
There are other factors like addiction and habit that play a part in determining how serious the immorality is as well.

All of these apply equally to recreationally (as opposed to medically) smoking wacky tobaccy, since the harm is at least comparable to smoking and there are none of the compensatory benefits that there are for medical users. For people of other religions and atheists … well, again, I would think that the level of physical harm would make it at least somewhat immoral, but I can’t really claim to be a judge of what they would think or where they would rank it.

As for whether it should be legal … for medical purposes I think absolutely yes. Recreationally … I’d need to find out a lot more about exactly how harmful it is, there’s a lot of conflicting studies out there, and some of it doesn’t tally with my own anecdotal evidence either.
 
On average alchohol and tobacco are responsible for 500,000 deaths a year, illicit drugs acount for 15,000.

Now what has the most dangerous health effects? Although tobacco and pot have the same cancer-causing chemicals, not very many normal people will smoke a pack of joints a day, ciggarettes are a different story. Many people will die from alschohol overdose whille it is almost humanely impossible to overdose on thc by smoking even the highest quality of pot. Nicotine is estremely addictive physiologically whereas THC is not.

Although cultivated cannibis is relitively new to the western world as a recreational drug, it had not gone unnoticed in other parts of the world.

Cannibis is tied to the history of america. Early military and merchant ships relied on canibis fibers for their sails and ropes, this fiber was one of the stongest known plant fibers that could be readily proceeced. At one time in virginia is was punishible by law not to grow a portion of your crops as hemp. George Washington grew pot and recorded in his jounal that he removed male plants from a popluation, a practice used only when cultivated canibis for its medicinal properties… Smoking hemp was legal and hempen candies were sold.

In 1935 by act of congress 3 million people who were not criminals the day before became as such overnight. A measure passed because congress was told the American Medical Association was in complete agreement of the measure. The maurijauna tax act, wasn’t a tax it was an outright ban, and not only that, but it was banning a substance by using it’s spanish name, not it’s scientific or common english name for the plant.

During World War two, certain farmers were encouraged to plant hemp, but any such practice was quickly discourages after the war.

Even if the law was reasonable it would not be just because it is not put into equal effect. Certain groups are much more likely to be targeted for drug crackdown that other groups. There are so many people using illicit drugs that enforcement is impossible. You can’t catch them all, and if you did, your judges wouldn’t have a slow day for five years, and if you prosecuted them all, where would you keep them. In 2003 there were just over 2 million people in prisons in the U.S. and and estimate 19-20 million illicit drug users in the U.S. Prison capacity would have to increase by 1000 percent, yes tha’s a one thousand. A tenfold increase in spending on prisons. It’s just too much for this country to possibly handle.
 
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cynic:
so why is smoking legal and marijuana not,( or the converse). Do you agree with making tobacco an illegal substance? I accept that marijuana causes a level fo intoxication, but then so does alcohol in even moderate volumes. It may have long(er) term pyschological effects, but how seroiuse they are depends on who you talk to.

so we end up with a substance that is

*not chemically addictive like harder drugs. Has no withdrawl symptoms.

*generally no more intoxicating that alcohol, and in some ways less (and it isn’t strictly illegal to be intoxicated with alcohol)

*does comparable harm to health to that of smoking - but smoking is legal. Alcohol even in moderation has been shown to increase the risk of cancer.

I’m don’t smoke the stuff, and don’t really care, but I’m curiouse about the position taken that it’s alright to get a bit “merry” with a couple of drinks as long as its in moderation, but not ok to use marijuana.
We are not discussing if something is legal or not. That alone does not make something a sin.
ABORTION is legal in many countries but it is a mortal sin.

Smoking is legal but if used excessively is a mortal sin because it is against the fifth commandment (do not kill) as it can lead to the smokers ill health and death.
Marijuana is a drug that can lead people to addiction of worse drugs and not only destroy their own lives but families as well.

So alcohol, tobacco, food and medicine in moderation is not a sin, but abused (excessive intake) is a sin.
 
Heck if I was going to kill my brain with weed, I would just skip it and go straight to shooting eight balls. Your body is a temple to keep healthy. It is proven that marijuana over time will turn you into an idiotic zombie.
 
My two cents (I’m speaking for myself here, no one else)…

Alot of silly things get said whenever the subject of cannabis comes up. Much of this is forgivable, as it is motivated by ignorance wedded to fear. Indeed, a lot of the “drug war” itself is motivated by such confusion, where something as relatively benign as cannabis will be confounded with genuinely harmful and chemically addictive substances like crack-cocaine or heroine.

The marijuanna laws in the United States (in particular) are the result of the same milieu-of-motives which caused alcohol prohibition. Putting aside conspiratorial arguments (which btw., I don’t entirely discount, but they’re too involved to get into on a thread like this; basically, certain commercial interests considered industrial hemp to be a threat to their businesses) for cannabis prohibition, one obvious motive is the same puritanical fear which promoted the extreme arm of the “temperance movement” with regard to alcohol. Basically, the moral scruples of a few (who have an innate distrust of anything indulged in simply because it’s “fun”) were allowed/have-been-allowed to dictate public policy.

Quite unlike alcohol, cannabis consumption of itself cannot kill you. This is even more obviously the case when it is ingested, rather than smoked (removing the argument that it is carcinogenic; though quite frankly, few could possibly smoke enough cannabis so as to develop lung cancer.) Is it an intoxicating substance? Of course. Can it be abused? Very obviously. Can it be used moderately, like alcohol? That is where the debate really lies.

I’d argue it can be, though I’m inclined to believe the current social climate in the United States isn’t condusive to this. It suffers from the same “forbidden fruit” status as alcohol does amongst young people, so the tendency is for people to binge, and not even consider the possibility of “cutting” their cannabis, the way many Europeans do (typically by mixing it with pipe or “fruit” tobbacos.)

As for the drawbacks of cannabis, I’d say from what I’ve read and from my own direct observations, it impairs motor skills (hence making it unsafe to drive, much like with the consumption of alcohol in even moderate amounts). Also (quite unlike alcohol, which can bring out very violent passions in people) it tends to “mellow” people out, though when abused can do this to the point of making people unmotivated (hence the cliched image of the hippie who wants to do nothing but sit on the couch and eat cheetos.) It also generally raises the appetite. While it can make it’s users more thoughtful/introspective, it can also make them paranoid…though much of this has to do with the strain of cannabis in question (since there are many different breeds of plant, both naturally occuring and due to selective breeding, which we refer to when we speak of “cannabis.”)

As for cannabis being a “gateway drug”, alot of this has to do with it’s underground/illegal status. The sad fact is, many of the people selling it (due to it’s prohibited status) are not “nice people” and also subsidize their lifestyles by selling an array of other (without question harmful) substances. Hence, the same “guy in the parking lot” selling marijuanna or hashish, may very well be also selling cocaine, pcp, speed, etc. However, none of this has to do with the nature of the substance itself - if anything, we can thank prohibition for whatever “gateway status” cannabis has.

As an aside, I also think we can “thank” cannabis prohibition in the United States for putting money into the hands of gangs and higher levels of organized crime. The reality is that “hard drugs” like crack or heroine have a very narrow “audience” so to speak. OTOH., most estimates would say that around 30 million Americans could be classified as “recreational”/recurring users of cannabis. And while a lot of the money they’re spending on their indulgence never actually ends up in the hands of dangerous criminals, a very significant part of it does. Without being able to cash in on black market cannabis, many street thugs, biker gangs, etc. would loose a significant part of their income.

What I believe to be truly immoral though, is the existing policy of prohibition by the U.S. Federal government of the medical use of cannabis. It has shown itself to be a relatively safe and cheap way of treating many illnesses, in particular the illnesses commonly brought on as a consequence of using legal prescription drugs to treat various severe ailments like cancer or AIDS. I find it incredibly bizarre that a medical establishment which will peddle poisonous concoctions like prozzac for depression and morphine for extreme pain can have qualms about someone smoking a joint or eating some cannabis blended cookies.
 
I agree with the other posters; giving up control of your faculties is a mortal sin.

For that matter so is alcohol, drugs and hypnotism.
 
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TOME:
When I first read the question presented by this thread my immediate reaction was it is immoral because it violates a law that is reasonably a just law.

Then I becan to read the post to this thread and saw Tedsters post and I would have to agree with him.

I think it is important, however, to also discuss what makes a law just or not. In Western Society, we have been greatly influenced by the writings of St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas (isn’t this a shocker) on what makes a law just or not.

I may forget a few points, probably the really important ones, but Thomas basiclly says a law is just if it is: (a) reasonable (b) made by the proper authority (c) promotes the common good - is in effect for the entire society - not targeted for a specific group (equal protection under the law) and (d) is enforceable.

Having said this I am sure there a those who would question the reasonableness of the marijuana laws. But that would be matter for another thread because I think most would agree there are sound arguments for the prohibitions on this drug thus the law itself is not unreasonable.

Inconclusio, I would answer the question posted by saying that the use of marijuana is immoral if for no other reason because it is a violation of a Just Law and we have a moral obligation to obey just laws.
Not only that , but the last Pope had this to say:
“It is true that there is a distinct difference between the use of drugs and the use of alcohol: while a moderate use of the latter as a drink does not offend moral principles, only its abuse can be condemned; instead, the use of drugs is always unlawful because it implies an unjustified and unreasonable renunciation of thinking, desiring and acting as a free person”

**SHOULD ‘SOFT’ DRUGS BE LEGALIZED?**Pontifical Council for the Family
 
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Palamite:
My two cents (I’m speaking for myself here, no one else)…

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What I believe to be truly immoral though, is the existing policy of prohibition by the U.S. Federal government of the medical use of cannabis. It has shown itself to be a relatively safe and cheap way of treating many illnesses, in particular the illnesses commonly brought on as a consequence of using legal prescription drugs to treat various severe ailments like cancer or AIDS. I find it incredibly bizarre that a medical establishment which will peddle poisonous concoctions like prozzac for depression and morphine for extreme pain can have qualms about someone smoking a joint or eating some cannabis blended cookies.
Excellent post!! :clapping:

I agree 100% with all your points.
(And I’m not a cannabis user.)
 
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Celtic_FC:
Heck if I was going to kill my brain with weed, I would just skip it and go straight to shooting eight balls. Your body is a temple to keep healthy. It is proven that marijuana over time will turn you into an idiotic zombie.
OK then, where is your proof?
 
I’ve never seen a pothead yet that after a few puffs couldn’t justify just about anything.
 
tom.wineman said:
I’ve never seen a pothead yet that after a few puffs couldn’t justify just about anything.

What’s your point? Same can be said for an alcoholic.
 
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