Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

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Dear brother Smith,

Paarsurrey is an Ahmadiah. His believe is based on their ProphetMessiah in 1890’s. His believe is considered as heresy by mainstream muslims. Even in my country, the Ahmadians are persecuted, and expelled from their own property. Off course their belief about Jesus is rather strange, such as Jesus escaped away from the cross by help of Pilate, settled in India, and died peacefully by old age there. Paar also does not believe that Jesus is God. I have no idea of why the Ahmadians are persecuted since to me they are muslims, until I read Paar’s ProphetMessiah’s writing. It does not mean that I agree with Paar, if you read my other postings in other threads. But, my disagreement with Paarsurrey is on the theological and historical issue only. If Paar believe in the love as Jesus teaches us, let alone to practice them, then we can call Paarsurrey as Christian too. Remember Matthew 25:34-46. That is why we can be one in Christ.
 
Dear Brother Swariffin

No he is not a brother in Christ.
No he is not a Christian

On what grounds do you interpet Matthew

Read on not just 3 lines.

He does not take Christ as Lord and Savior,
He will not take the body and blood of Christ for eternal life therfore he has no life within him.
He will not carry his cross.

Do not do him the dis-service by calling him a christian as his soul at present is lost as he knows of the true Christ and is a dis believer.

Save his soul show him the light and get him out of the darkness.

It’s the year of Evangalization for the Catholic Church.
 
Dear Rapida,

My prayer to you. In this posting, I believe that I have to request you to forgive DeMaria if he is too harsh in his wording. I understand your situation, and the brother of my grandma is a Hajj (He is a muslim since he was young). I hope that your life in your family is a good one. Just like mine. When I was a kid, I used to sit in his bossom, while he told me children stories. Even after I grow up, I always like to visit him. I never agree to his belief especially after I learn more about Catholicism. And yet, our disagreement does not prevent us from loving each other.

Once you believe in a specific religion (whatever it is) you better learn more about it. You have to know what your religion teaches, so you will not becoming a false militant fundamentalist who believe the religious leader more than the religion itself. In that case, you may end-up believing in a person/persons more than God. That what Jesus meant as quoted in Luke 14:26. In case of DeMaria, perhaps you should take the positive things about what he said. Such as, as a Christian, we do believe that Jesus is God. Forget the manner of his tone, but take the idea first.
What Jesus said in Luke, means that you are not eligible to follow Jesus, if you obey to your father, mother, husband, wife who force you otherwise. In this case, you must put God on top of any other things. Period. Jesus never meant to order us to hate our parents/husband/wife/others. It was a parable. You see?
I have mentioned before. We understand these things better than you and many other good words of Jesus. They are correct. We do not blame Jesus for that at all.
 
But I do my best.
Hi

I appreciate your struggling with your faith and making it firm on rational grounds.

I see that there are following valid questions in your mind, which should be answered by the good Catholics friends in peaceful, charitable and intelligent manner:
  1. I have always asked why if Jesus was God, why was he so very specific to refer to God as a Parental figure. Yes he said “The Father and I are one,” but in a contextual light that becomes rather weak as a statement to his actually being God. Why every other time does he refer to God as Father? Jesus was known for speaking clearly, and plainly. He taught using parables, but he was still pretty clear and simple in speech. Why is God still Father? If he is God, why the entire incident in the garden, begging God to take the cup from him? It’s a question I struggle with in my own faith, and don’t expect the answers to be found here on an internet forum.
But then I’m not sure this forum really has the answers I need anyways. Because so many people seem so…off message.
  1. Oh and Mary was Betrothed to Joseph before Gabriel came and spoke to her, right? The point I was trying to make was that Mary was already lined up to be a typical wife at the time of the Immaculate Conception, and I was taught in CCD that she may have been around 13 years old. So Aisha Binti Abu Bakr being 9 at her Nikah, and 11 when she actually consummated her marriage wasn’t really abnormal.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you!

Thanks
 
But Planten, you see the key difference here is that Jesus was not solely just a prophet. He WAS God.

John 1:1 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:14 - “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
Hi

But this is according to John, not according to Jesus. Jesus never said any words, in my opinion, to mean that he was literally and physically Son of God or God. Jesus was a Jew, but my Catholic friends don’t get meaning of their scriptures as per usage in the OTBible, they get meaning according to John or according to their tradition. This might be a misunderstanding or misconception of my Catholic friends.

You could differ with me, it is alright, no compulsion.

Thanks
Thanks
 
Dear brother Smith,

I do admire your spirit of evangelization. You are correct brother. We the Christian, should spread the message of love taught by Christ to anybody including Paarsurrey. It will depends on Paar to finally believe as what we believe. That is what I believe that Jesus is the greatest as opposed to the topic of this thread. Our evangelization must convey the message of peace, by way of loving. Not by the way of forcing or intimidating. I do pray that Jesus finally called on His non-believers (including Paarsurrey) to be His followers, as He did to St. Paul. For your information, Paarsurrey also does not believe in St. Paul’s teaching. If Paarsurrey ever converts to Christianity, who knows he could spread Christ’s messages in the same persistence as he is doing now in his belief. Merry Christmas to you and your family. God bless you and your family, and that is I am sure of.
 
Rapida,

I will include you in my prayers tonight as we will dedicate a rosary to you. You are in a very difficult position you probably did not intend for yourself on your wedding day. You are acting as a mediator not just between two religions but between, I am afraid, mortal enemies. I am greatly afraid for you that your trials will end with either your conversion to Islam or your husband divorcing you or with your death. I wish it were not so. The outcome will depend upon the man your husband is. He, of course, cannot leave Islam for Christianity – that would be a capital offense for his faith and his family. You cannot divorce him easily per sharia law (nor do I read you as one who would quickly arrive at this decision). In addition, your husband’s pride would be greatly harmed. His faith says he can beat you until you obey him, but I read you as someone strong enough in your own Faith as to not yield easily to such infantile pressures. There is also the possible “honor killing” which seems acceptable to muslim societies, which could be your greatest threat.

Like I promised, we will pray for you and your marriage.

May God’s Love and Christ’s Mercy be with you always, even in the darkest of times.
Whoa!

While I deeply appreciate any prayers dedicated, more than you know, let them be for our everyday struggles.

I had to read your post twice… and then called my husband over tot he laptop to read it. I think he may have wept. How different your mesage is from what he has received so far. He has endured SO MUCH for the sake of my faith. The premarital counselling, the battle for dispensation, the battle for the annulment of my first marriage (a drama that has left a bitter taste in my mouth). How different your message is from that of the priest who shook his hand, walked him around the inside of the churh after Midnight Mass, showed him the censer and explained the incense, andswered his questions with the kindness we should as all Christians hold to standard.

Neither of us wishes to convert the other. We know we have difficult times ahead of us and we pray daily for the strength to get through just that one day. But please, allow me to clarify some points for you.

I can divorce him very easily. I simply return the Mahr. Joint Assets after the marriage, according to our Nikkah, I am entitled to half of…much better than I got in the civil divorce from my first husband (who, now acording tot he Church was never my husband). If he initiates the divorce, I take half and keep the Mahr. If I initiate it, I take half and return the Mahr. (Mahr being the money paid to me at the time of my marriage. A tidy little investment account that did rather well this year)

His faith says that wives should obey their husbands (Sound familiar?) and that if I don’t he should first try other methods, and if NOTHING else works then he could strike me. Hadith downplays this, even suggesting that such a thing be done with a feather. Trickling down to the third stanrdard of Islamic Jurisprudence, the practice… That God has put affection and Mercy between man and woman and made them husband and wife. Cling always to mercy. And fourth…Ijtihad…or common sense reasoning…it’s illegal to beat your Wife in the US, and he’d go to jail. Also, he’s just not that kind of person. The Catholic church will not annul a marriage because the wife has been beaten. She would have to demonstrate a very clear and valid threat on her life, he kind where it’s as likely to be too late before such a threat could be demonstrated.

Nowhere in the Qu’ran or Hadith is “Honor Killing” condoned. Each and every instance of Honor Killing has ben in retaliation for a sexual indiscretion (something I simply don’t do) and is completely and entirely culturally based. And to kill an innocent person is like unto the killing of all mankind, and something those people, God willing, wil be held acountable for when the time comes. But NOT something that would ever happen in my home or to my family. Actually, My Husband and I spent Christmas Eve counselling a young unmaried couple who had gotten pregnant, so he has, in my eyes, demonstrated a degree of tolerance and patience that you seem to think he would lack.

Lastly. I’m not married to some backwoods cultural Muslim who has never read the Qu’ran. I am married to a man who is as educated as I am, we both have Bachelor’s degrees. He is a Progressive Muslim. Sometimes called a “God Alone” or “Qu’ran Alone” Muslim. He shuns fatwas, and is very very particular about the Hadith he will acknowledge.

Is it easy? God no. But God put us together. Let no man…him or me especially, put asunder…right?
 
Whoa!

While I deeply appreciate any prayers dedicated, more than you know, let them be for our everyday struggles.

I had to read your post twice… and then called my husband over tot he laptop to read it. I think he may have wept. How different your mesage is from what he has received so far. He has endured SO MUCH for the sake of my faith. The premarital counselling, the battle for dispensation, the battle for the annulment of my first marriage (a drama that has left a bitter taste in my mouth). How different your message is from that of the priest who shook his hand, walked him around the inside of the churh after Midnight Mass, showed him the censer and explained the incense, andswered his questions with the kindness we should as all Christians hold to standard.

Neither of us wishes to convert the other. We know we have difficult times ahead of us and we pray daily for the strength to get through just that one day. But please, allow me to clarify some points for you.

I can divorce him very easily. I simply return the Mahr. Joint Assets after the marriage, according to our Nikkah, I am entitled to half of…much better than I got in the civil divorce from my first husband (who, now acording tot he Church was never my husband). If he initiates the divorce, I take half and keep the Mahr. If I initiate it, I take half and return the Mahr. (Mahr being the money paid to me at the time of my marriage. A tidy little investment account that did rather well this year)

His faith says that wives should obey their husbands (Sound familiar?) and that if I don’t he should first try other methods, and if NOTHING else works then he could strike me. Hadith downplays this, even suggesting that such a thing be done with a feather. Trickling down to the third stanrdard of Islamic Jurisprudence, the practice… That God has put affection and Mercy between man and woman and made them husband and wife. Cling always to mercy. And fourth…Ijtihad…or common sense reasoning…it’s illegal to beat your Wife in the US, and he’d go to jail. Also, he’s just not that kind of person. The Catholic church will not annul a marriage because the wife has been beaten. She would have to demonstrate a very clear and valid threat on her life, he kind where it’s as likely to be too late before such a threat could be demonstrated.

Nowhere in the Qu’ran or Hadith is “Honor Killing” condoned. Each and every instance of Honor Killing has ben in retaliation for a sexual indiscretion (something I simply don’t do) and is completely and entirely culturally based. And to kill an innocent person is like unto the killing of all mankind, and something those people, God willing, wil be held acountable for when the time comes. But NOT something that would ever happen in my home or to my family. Actually, My Husband and I spent Christmas Eve counselling a young unmaried couple who had gotten pregnant, so he has, in my eyes, demonstrated a degree of tolerance and patience that you seem to think he would lack.

Lastly. I’m not married to some backwoods cultural Muslim who has never read the Qu’ran. I am married to a man who is as educated as I am, we both have Bachelor’s degrees. He is a Progressive Muslim. Sometimes called a “God Alone” or “Qu’ran Alone” Muslim. He shuns fatwas, and is very very particular about the Hadith he will acknowledge.

Is it easy? God no. But God put us together. Let no man…him or me especially, put asunder…right?
Sounds to me as though you know more about Islam than you do about Catholicism.

From now on I will treat you as a Muslim in disguise. We’ve had several here.
 
Whoa!

While I deeply appreciate any prayers dedicated, more than you know, let them be for our everyday struggles.

I had to read your post twice… and then called my husband over tot he laptop to read it. I think he may have wept. How different your mesage is from what he has received so far. He has endured SO MUCH for the sake of my faith. The premarital counselling, the battle for dispensation, the battle for the annulment of my first marriage (a drama that has left a bitter taste in my mouth). How different your message is from that of the priest who shook his hand, walked him around the inside of the churh after Midnight Mass, showed him the censer and explained the incense, andswered his questions with the kindness we should as all Christians hold to standard.

Neither of us wishes to convert the other. We know we have difficult times ahead of us and we pray daily for the strength to get through just that one day. But please, allow me to clarify some points for you.

I can divorce him very easily. I simply return the Mahr. Joint Assets after the marriage, according to our Nikkah, I am entitled to half of…much better than I got in the civil divorce from my first husband (who, now acording tot he Church was never my husband). If he initiates the divorce, I take half and keep the Mahr. If I initiate it, I take half and return the Mahr. (Mahr being the money paid to me at the time of my marriage. A tidy little investment account that did rather well this year)

His faith says that wives should obey their husbands (Sound familiar?) and that if I don’t he should first try other methods, and if NOTHING else works then he could strike me. Hadith downplays this, even suggesting that such a thing be done with a feather. Trickling down to the third stanrdard of Islamic Jurisprudence, the practice… That God has put affection and Mercy between man and woman and made them husband and wife. Cling always to mercy. And fourth…Ijtihad…or common sense reasoning…it’s illegal to beat your Wife in the US, and he’d go to jail. Also, he’s just not that kind of person. The Catholic church will not annul a marriage because the wife has been beaten. She would have to demonstrate a very clear and valid threat on her life, he kind where it’s as likely to be too late before such a threat could be demonstrated.

Nowhere in the Qu’ran or Hadith is “Honor Killing” condoned. Each and every instance of Honor Killing has ben in retaliation for a sexual indiscretion (something I simply don’t do) and is completely and entirely culturally based. And to kill an innocent person is like unto the killing of all mankind, and something those people, God willing, wil be held acountable for when the time comes. But NOT something that would ever happen in my home or to my family. Actually, My Husband and I spent Christmas Eve counselling a young unmaried couple who had gotten pregnant, so he has, in my eyes, demonstrated a degree of tolerance and patience that you seem to think he would lack.

Lastly. I’m not married to some backwoods cultural Muslim who has never read the Qu’ran. I am married to a man who is as educated as I am, we both have Bachelor’s degrees. He is a Progressive Muslim. Sometimes called a “God Alone” or “Qu’ran Alone” Muslim. He shuns fatwas, and is very very particular about the Hadith he will acknowledge.

Is it easy? God no. But God put us together. Let no man…him or me especially, put asunder…right?
**The Christian friends may not feel well about your marrying a Muslim gentleman. Similarly, we Muslims may not be happy that a Muslim man has married a Catholic. But I assure you that those who are not happy about your marriage are not right, the Muslims and christians who are not happy are not right.

Your marriage is a perfect example of high level human mutual love and co-operation. May you live long together. So far so good. But there will be problems too. We hope you will be able to solve/ manage them. **
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I saw a video years ago, of an Islamic preacher who illustrated the condemning Islamic view of those who believe God has a Son.
They believe that such an idea is an insult to God (Allah). He even went so far as to say that it is an insulting “animalistic” sexual thing to suggest that God had a Son.
And, when Christians find this out, it is so unbelievable.
Because, you know, that we believe that it was a miracle, that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and not of an “animalistic” sexual nature.
So, how many Muslims still believe that Christians believe that?
This is going to take a lot of patience and Bible doctrine to lay it all out plainly before Muslims.
I hope that this makes an impression, to say the least.

And, it should be noted that the Mormons believe (since 1827) that God the Father is a man, who came down to have sex with Mary for the conception of Jesus.
The Mormon Church is a cult, indeed.
Maybe, they are partly to blame.
 
I saw a video years ago, of an Islamic preacher who illustrated the condemning Islamic view of those who believe God has a Son.
They believe that such an idea is an insult to God (Allah). He even went so far as to say that it is an insulting “animalistic” sexual thing to suggest that God had a Son.
And, when Christians find this out, it is so unbelievable.
Because, you know, that we believe that it was a miracle, that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and not of an “animalistic” sexual nature.
So, how many Muslims still believe that Christians believe that?
This is going to take a lot of patience and Bible doctrine to lay it all out plainly before Muslims.
I hope that this makes an impression, to say the least.

And, it should be noted that the Mormons believe (since 1827) that God the Father is a man, who came down to have sex with Mary for the conception of Jesus.
The Mormon Church is a cult, indeed.
Maybe, they are partly to blame.
I do not like the quote about Mormons. I hope it is not true. But I would like to know about the miraculous birth of Jesus (as mentioned above). Whose miracle is that?? We understand the meaning of miracle. Could you tell me whose miracle was the birth or conception of Jesus?? Thanks.
 
I do not like the quote about Mormons. I hope it is not true. But I would like to know about the miraculous birth of Jesus (as mentioned above). Whose miracle is that?? We understand the meaning of miracle. Could you tell me whose miracle was the birth or conception of Jesus?? Thanks.
It was God’s miracle.

If you consider the Quran a miracle, I don’t think you understand the meaning of miracle.

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
This is a reminder to all non-Muslims.

Once you accept the truth of the Qur’an, then this means that it becomes illogical for you to any longer deny that Muhammad (pbuh) is the Messenger of God.

The Truth, after all, can only come from the Creator.
What truth is there that Mohammed is a prophet from God? None. Unless one wants to force the meaning of the Bible and history to say what it does not say. Islam was stared by the sword. Christianity was started by love, John 3:16. There is no evidence anywhere that Christ ever told his followers to kill those who do not believe.Jesus said to love those who are in opposition to the the Gospel. Not kill them. I think this is why Islam has lots of problems and always will.
 
** I know the meaning as you do. But please look at the words. I do not say anything against Jesus. but look at the words. If I do the same as your friends do with our scripture then there is no escape for you. The words are very clearly giving a message to the disciples of hating the mother and father and all. You should please admit that it is so. Because it is written like that.**

So it may be the fault of the narrator or the scribe. You friends find fault with Quran. But here De Maria has provided the proof of the message of Hatred from Jesus himself. I know it is difficult for you to admit. But we will never forget it.
3.28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah.

We will never forget either!

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Because he was the quickest and a master strategist in the ring:thumbsup:
 
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