Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

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Dear Melanie,

I am just curious about the way they are thinking and reasoning. I personally think this is a good psychologic issue to be researched. Especially Paarsurrey, He claims to be muslim but his view is different than other muslim. His logic is somehow different than my logic. To me, he is contradicting himself, but has a good faith in what he believes. That is why I wonder. It does not mean that I agree to what he believes. BTW, Ahamadiah is a new thing to me, just like Mormonism to me. Both of those beliefs are just present in my country recently. Never hear anything about them before. That is why I am curious.

Thanks for your advise, anyway.
 
[33:41] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah, and the seal
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of the Prophets and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
swariffin said:
Dear Paarsurrey,

I am confused. The Quran says that Muhammad was the last prophet. You claim that you are muslim, and yet you believe that that you have later prophet who is the ProphetMessenger (the Promised Messiah). You also claim that your ProphetMessenger is the successor of Muhammad. Do you believe that your ProphetMessenger is the “Imam Mahdi?” In this case, why Muhammad should be greater than your ProphetMessenger as you mentioned? Shouldn’t be your ProphetMessenger is greater than Muhammad in your belief? Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Hi

There is no need of any confusion. ImamMahdi could be translated in Englis as DivineGuided, this is what every ProphetMessenger is; he is guided by GodAllahYHWH, so is the **PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 **by revelation as well as inspiration.

There is no verse in Quran which directly says that Muhammad is “the Last Prophet”, the exact word in Arabic is **KHAATUM **which means **SEAL **[33:41] and those who have translated it as the " Last" they have derived it from the use of the seal, which is sometimes used for sealing a packet or bottle that nobody interferes with it. So this is a derived meaning not the direct meaning of the Word **Seal **or a Ring used by a monarch for authentication/certifcation or conveying his authority or as a STAMP. The Ring worn by a monarch in his finger had a distinction from his other fingers and others in the court, nobody else could dare copy that ring or seal or stamp. The King having a seal used to be the greatest person in the kingdom, that could be understood easily and nobody used to challange that.

Kindly look up in the dictionary for different usages of seal/ring/stamp/impression/print and all these usages could define the meanings of the word “SEAL”.

Please make a search in the dictionary/encylopedia for verification and enlightenment.

Thanks
 
paarsurrey said:
There is no verse in Quran which directly says that Muhammad is “the Last Prophet”, the exact word in Arabic is **KHAATUM **which means **SEAL **[33:41] and those who have translated it as the " Last" they have derived it from the use of the seal, which is sometimes used for sealing a packet or bottle that nobody interferes with it. So this is a derived meaning not the direct meaning of the Word **Seal **or a Ring used by a monarch for authentication/certifcation or conveying his authority or as a STAMP. The Ring worn by a monarch in his finger had a distinction from his other fingers and others in the court, nobody else could dare copy that ring or seal or stamp. The King having a seal used to be the greatest person in the kingdom, that could be understood easily and nobody used to challange that.

Kindly look up in the dictionary for different usages of seal/ring/stamp/impression/print and all these usages could define the meanings of the word “SEAL”.

Please make a search in the dictionary/encylopedia for verification and enlightenment.

Thanks
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Oh for pete sake…

Why can’t anybody here make any sense?
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

There is no need of any confusion. ImamMahdi could be translated in Englis as DivineGuided, this is what every ProphetMessenger is; he is guided by GodAllahYHWH, so is the **PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 **by revelation as well as inspiration.

There is no verse in Quran which directly says that Muhammad is “the Last Prophet”, the exact word in Arabic is **KHAATUM **which means **SEAL **[33:41] and those who have translated it as the " Last" they have derived it from the use of the seal, which is sometimes used for sealing a packet or bottle that nobody interferes with it. So this is a derived meaning not the direct meaning of the Word **Seal **or a Ring used by a monarch for authentication/certifcation or conveying his authority or as a STAMP. The Ring worn by a monarch in his finger had a distinction from his other fingers and others in the court, nobody else could dare copy that ring or seal or stamp. The King having a seal used to be the greatest person in the kingdom, that could be understood easily and nobody used to challange that.
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Dear Paarsurrey,

I am trying to understand your logic. Thanks for the information. Another questions if you don’t mind.

First, you mentioned that ImamMahdi is DevineGuided, and it is true for every ProphetMessenger. Does it means that there can be more than one ImamMahdi?

Second, I don’t know much about Quran. But, my muslim relative mentioned that there will come ImamMahdi, which is so “powerful” in the eye of Allah. In this case, the ImamMahdi is supposed to be greater than Muhammad, am I correct? If I am right, you still have not answered my previous question. Why do you think that Muhammad is the greatest, i.e greater than Imam Mahdi?

Third, It is not really a question. It seems that you have a similar case just like the Christian and the Jehovah Witnesses regarding the Greek word “Staurous”. The JW interpret is as a single pole, and we the Christian interpret it as a cross. It is just like an English word “before” which could be translated as “things coming preceding others” or “in front of”, depending on the context of the sentence. BTW, it seems you are in the JW side of the similar story, tough.
 
swariffin said:
Dear Paarsurrey
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Dear swariffin

Hi
First, you mentioned that ImamMahdi is DivineGuided, and it is true for every ProphetMessenger. Does it means that there can be more than one ImamMahdi?
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Guidance from GodAllahYHWH is always good. Alongwith Moses GodAllahYHWH appointed Aaron (Muslim call him Haroon) his assisstant ProphetMessenger, at one time.

Muhammad’s case is different, his Aaron i.e. the PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 has come in the latter days or at the end. PomisedMessiah 1838-1908 is a successor and assistant of Muhammad with the time distance, but not in spirit.
If Aaron followed Torah of Moses or Jesus followed Torah (being a Jew himself) similarly the PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 follows Quran.

This way Muhammad is ProphetMessenger of GodAllahYHWH, like Moses; and the PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 is similiar to Aaron and or JesusYeshuaIssa.
Second, I don’t know much about Quran. But, my muslim relative mentioned that there will come ImamMahdi, which is so “powerful” in the eye of Allah. In this case, the ImamMahdi is supposed to be greater than Muhammad, am I correct?
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Being an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim, we **for sure **believe that ImamMahdi or Al-Imam-ul-Mahdi cannot be more powerful or greater than Muhammad. It is true he ( the PromisedMessiah 1838-1908) is like a son ( spiritual) to Muhammad which every succesosor always is, I think.
If I am right, you still have not answered my previous question. Why do you think that Muhammad is the greatest, i.e greater than Imam Mahdi?
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I think I have already answered your question , as mentioned above.
Third, It is not really a question. It seems that you have a similar case just like the Christian and the Jehovah Witnesses regarding the Greek word “Staurous”. The JW interpret is as a single pole, and we the Christian interpret it as a cross. It is just like an English word “before” which could be translated as “things coming preceding others” or “in front of”, depending on the context of the sentence. BTW, it seems you are in the JW side of the similar story, tough
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You may classify, the way you think suits you, I don’t object to. Nevetheless, I maintain that Ahmadi Muslims being humble, peaceful ,Godfearing and loving are in the centre of every religion/denomination/faith or the best portion of them and are one in them.

Thanks
 
Dear Paarsurrey,

One more question. If Muhammad is greater than ImamMahdi, why the greater come earlier than the lesser, and also the greater should fortold the lesser? The Quran said that Isa will be the judge of the living and the dead? Why not Muhammad? BTW, your analogy of Moses and Aaron, describing Muhammad and your ProphetMuhammad is interesting. Made me go back to your referred website of yours. Of course, in my case Isa is greater than Moses, He himself told it so. Thanks, you gave me so much information about Ahmadians. Your branch of Islam is really new to me.
 
All Prophets are the same in the Quran. Mohammed is the seal of the prophets not because he is the last forever, but is the last after Jesus to confirm all previous prophets. In his day, all prophesied unto John the Baptist as Jesus said, John was the seal of that era.

However, Jesus is the only one called Messiah in the Quran, no one else. So according to the Quran, Jesus is the greatest Messiah, the greatest King of David and of the whole world, of all of them. That’s how that works.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
All Prophets are the same in the Quran. Mohammed is the seal of the prophets not because he is the last forever, but is the last after Jesus to confirm all previous prophets. In his day, all prophesied unto John the Baptist as Jesus said, John was the seal of that era.

However, Jesus is the only one called Messiah in the Quran, no one else. So according to the Quran, Jesus is the greatest Messiah, the greatest King of David and of the whole world, of all of them. That’s how that works.
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Dear FoA,

Your view is similar to Paar’s. But, it seems to me based on what I see in my country (not because I understand it), that Muhammad is the last prophet, and there shall be no other. Any view against this, is considered as heresy. Based on their view, one can conclude that Muhammad is the last prophet forever. I believe that this is mainly the problem of translation of the word KHAATUM as Paar has mentioned. For sure, your view is somehow different than those of the mainstream Islam.

I have no mean of offense nor despising, FoA. From your posting, you sound like a muslim, but your view is close to Paarsurrey. Does it means that you are another Ahmadian? If not, what branch of Islam are you from. The more people I know and have discussion with, the better it will be.
 
swariffin said:
Dear FoA,

Your view is similar to Paar’s. But, it seems to me based on what I see in my country (not because I understand it), that Muhammad is the last prophet, and there shall be no other. Any view against this, is considered as heresy. Based on their view, one can conclude that Muhammad is the last prophet forever. I believe that this is mainly the problem of translation of the word KHAATUM as Paar has mentioned. For sure, your view is somehow different than those of the mainstream Islam.

I have no mean of offense nor despising, FoA. From your posting, you sound like a muslim, but your view is close to Paarsurrey. Does it means that you are another Ahmadian? If not, what branch of Islam are you from. The more people I know and have discussion with, the better it will be.
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Most Muslims have a huge problem because if it means Mohammed is the last prophet forever, how can they also believe Jesus the Prophet is going to return to kill Dajjal the antichrist and be the Messiah? So then you have to ask, what then could it mean to be the last prophet. And I’m pretty sure that what I stated is the true meaning.

I’m Muslim but for reasons like that, I run sola scriptura with the Quran and Bible only so I’m in no-man’s land there.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Most Muslims have a huge problem because if it means Mohammed is the last prophet forever, how can they also believe Jesus the Prophet is going to return to kill Dajjal the antichrist and be the Messiah? So then you have to ask, what then could it mean to be the last prophet. And I’m pretty sure that what I stated is the true meaning.

I’m Muslim but for reasons like that, I run sola scriptura with the Quran and Bible only so I’m in no-man’s land there.
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So are you trying to find the ‘correct’ path?
 
dolphinlove said:
What do you think is the correct path?
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God is God, Jesus is human Messiah given power like Moses to be as God over the people. So we don’t worship Jesus as God, but obey him as though he is God. Noahide Laws for Gentiles and Torah for Jews, plus all Jesus taught about loving God and each other. Prayer, repentance, charity. That’s a small summary.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
God is God, Jesus is human Messiah given power like Moses to be as God over the people. So we don’t worship Jesus as God, but obey him as though he is God. Noahide Laws for Gentiles and Torah for Jews, plus all Jesus taught about loving God and each other. Prayer, repentance, charity. That’s a small summary.
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Ok more to the point, do you follow any religion and if, what sect of that particular religion?
 
dolphinlove said:
Ok more to the point, do you follow any religion and if, what sect of that particular religion?
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Like I said I’m Muslim but I go by the Bible and Quran, there is no modern and formal religious institution that I agree with, they all have flaws.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

Kindly quote from Quran.

Thanks
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Being Messiah, as Jesus is confirmed to be in the Quran, means as King of David he is judge of Gentiles and Jews, that’s what Messiah does in all the prophecies. He’s king of the world.
 
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