Why is the Catholic Church hated so much?

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Everyone wants tolerance and no one wants to be told they are wrong. If you run around and live your life strictly to a “set of rules” that are given to you by some (especially by some) “old man” then you’re not being tolerant to what society wants to do counter to that. Relativism is rampant, and there are plenty of relativist, tolerant Protestant denominations we could belong to, if we weren’t such intolerant bigots. :rolleyes: Basically, it’s as simple as this little quote from Big Lebowski “That’s, just, like, your opinion, man.” 😃
 
lol instead of honeyed ham have honeyed heretics served with sweet tea obviously. btw im just joking encase people couldn’t tell
 
Why not, Everyone deserve a good roast once in a while. Look at Charlie Sheen.
I believe it is quite painful and cruel for Catholics to burn Protestants or other heretics at the stake. I am opposed to it because of its cruelty.
 
i read some were that it was the secualar courts by that i mean it wasnt the church courts that burned them besides protestants got back at catholics when they got power
 
i read some were that it was the secualar courts by that i mean it wasnt the church courts that burned them besides protestants got back at catholics when they got power
The problem with avoiding admitting that Church leaders didn’t encourage the punishments, execution, is that it discredits the Church leaders more than it helps. It’s like saying the bishops had nothing to do with the sex crimes of clergy under their leadership even though they hid them. Getting the hand caught in the cookie jar… more like getting the hand caught on the guillotine. 😦

The truth is that the Church can’t be to blame for what colelctions of people do while leading the Church. However, we all know that happens everywhere, not just the Church. Do you blame the United States for 9/11? It was the collection of members in the country that failed to prevent it. I see this same mindset in Protestant Churches that apply this thinking to other faiths outside of Catholicism as well. We should be looking for right and wrong and place the blame appropriate to where it belongs. Individual bishops and collection of bishops, such as the USCCB, would be to blame only in part, but not the full blame. The real blame belongs to those that do and did the dirty deeds. Ex. Martin Luther feared for his life. That might have caused me to run away from the Church back then too.
 
I believe it is quite painful and cruel for Catholics to burn Protestants or other heretics at the stake. I am opposed to it because of its cruelty.
I believe it’s quite painful to watch Protestants lie to Catholic youth about who Jesus really is and teaches behind their parent’s back. I’ve seen it all too often and in part this is how I ended up leaving the Church. It’s understandable that parents in the past were very angry at men like Luther and other people trying to and succeeding in luring the masses of people, including children, from the truth of the Catholic Church teachings. I don’t condone it, however, during that time, that’s pretty much how they solve most problems… They viewed these people as Satan and his minions… evil. It was like seeing a cancer or better a disease, i.e. black plague. The way you get rid of a disease killing innocent people is to burn it out. Destroy it. Look at what governments did to people over far less crimes.
 
As a Lutheran, I don’t hate the Roman Catholic Church, we have disagreements with the RCC over theology but not hatred. I have respect for the RCC for the stand on abortion and marriage. If we can’t be honest in our disagreements, how can we be honest in our agreements?
 
As a Lutheran, I don’t hate the Roman Catholic Church, we have disagreements with the RCC over theology but not hatred. I have respect for the RCC for the stand on abortion and marriage. If we can’t be honest in our disagreements, how can we be honest in our agreements?
Hey, why don’t you come over here and stand right there… just a little over. Put your hands behind your back. We’re just going to have a wonderful bonfire. Oh, don’t worry about that noise and the smell. It’s just a party… a roast.😉 Sick, huh?

I’ve never met a Lutheran that really hated the Catholic Church. But I have seen people hate what they fear the Catholic Church represents, tyranny. Unfortunately, the Church will probably never shake the sins of the fathers. But Jesus foretold this division as well. “Father, may they be one.” My best friends have been Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist. The most feared faiths I’ve been in are church of Christ [aka COC] because of the extremely judgmental teachings that come from them. But none of us can be effectively grouped into one clump. There are many factions within each group. My own family are more anti-Catholic than some of the anti-Catholics we run into on here. In fact, the harshest anti-Catholics are Catholics.
 
The problem with avoiding admitting that Church leaders didn’t encourage the punishments, execution, is that it discredits the Church leaders more than it helps. It’s like saying the bishops had nothing to do with the sex crimes of clergy under their leadership even though they hid them. Getting the hand caught in the cookie jar… more like getting the hand caught on the guillotine. 😦

The truth is that the Church can’t be to blame for what colelctions of people do while leading the Church. However, we all know that happens everywhere, not just the Church. Do you blame the United States for 9/11? It was the collection of members in the country that failed to prevent it. I see this same mindset in Protestant Churches that apply this thinking to other faiths outside of Catholicism as well. We should be looking for right and wrong and place the blame appropriate to where it belongs. Individual bishops and collection of bishops, such as the USCCB, would be to blame only in part, but not the full blame. The real blame belongs to those that do and did the dirty deeds. Ex. Martin Luther feared for his life. That might have caused me to run away from the Church back then too.
im not saying people in the church didnt have anything to do with it but today people want to put the blame fully on them and the church and while they might have had a part to play i dont believe that it can be said that it is all there fault i agree with catholic.com/magazine/articles/an-inquisition-primer
on my side tho
 
The inquisitorial procedure varied according to the country and the times, but a basic outline becomes clear. In a general manner, one can say that the Inquisition left the heretic every chance to extricate himself, and only severely punished the “irreducibles,” those who were pertinacious in their rejection of the Faith. The Inquisition sought to educate as much as to restrain. Its action sometimes was more of a work of eradicating popular superstitions than of battling against subversion. The judicial procedure was always accompanied by solemn preachings.

When the tribunal of the Inquisition arrived in a city, it proclaimed a time of grace of about a month, in the course of which the heretics could of their own volition confess their errors with the certitude of undergoing only light and secret spiritual penances. After this delay, the inquisitors would publish the edict of the faith which ordered all Christians, under penalty of excommunication, to denounce the heretics and those who protected them. The Inquisition did not have at its command a secret police or a network of spies. It counted upon the collaboration of the Catholic people, acting in this way more as a guardian of the social consensus than as an oppressive apparatus of the State.

The Catholic Inquisition did not resemble the totalitarian inquisitions of the 20th century. It did not intend to find traitors at any price (“counter-revolutionaries” or “collaborators”). It only aimed at the public propagators of the heresy, and above all at the leading men. The Inquisition was not concerned with the conscience of the heretics, but only with their exterior action.

The pope confided the Medieval Inquisition to the Dominicans and the Franciscans. These two newly founded orders gave serious guarantees of probity and sanctity. The theological and canonical knowledge of the inquisitors was remarkable. In fact, the Inquisition was entrusted to the finest flowers of the clergy of the era. Unlike the revolutionary tribunals of 1793, the tribunals of the Inquisition were never presided over by corrupted and debauched fanatics.

The Inquisitor did not render his judgment alone. He was assisted by some assessors (assistant judges), selected from the local clergy. The Inquisition was, in a way, the beginning of the institution of the jury system. In addition, the bishop audited the sentences and the accused could appeal to the pope. Thus the inquisitorial procedure was suitable, even by the standards of our modern criteria of justice. Contrary to what we have been told, the Inquisition frequently acquitted. Bernard Gui exercised the functions of Inquisitor at Toulouse with severity from 1308 to 1323. He pronounced 930 judgments, of which 139 were acquittals.

The accused could defend himself and even had recourse to a lawyer, however he could not always listen to the testimony of his accusers. Historians have severely condemned this secretive nature of the inquisitorial procedure. But one must put things in their proper context. The heretics that the Inquisition was pursuing were rich and powerful. They often had armed men at their command. Not rarely, witnesses for the prosecution and even inquisitors had been assassinated. To testify against the leaders of the Cathari or the Marranos could be as dangerous as testifying today against the maffia bosses. In 1485, the Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Peter Arbues, was stabbed at the holy altar by thugs in the employ of the Marranos. That is why the Inquisition protected the anonymity of certain witnesses. It only had recourse to secret inquiry in cases of necessity. But the accused benefitted likewise from certain guarantees. Thus, at the beginning of the process, he could present a list of his personal enemies, and, if the anonymous witness was found on this list, his testimony was automatically rejected. In addition, the testimony of the secret accuser was given in the presence of the accused’s lawyer. At that time, the lawyer was appointed by the tribunal, to make certain that he did not reveal the identity of the witness; but he did not fulfill his task any less conscientiously. Several Spanish jurists distinguished themselves by the quality of their pleadings for the defense before the tribunals of the Inquisition.

Note that the principle of anonymous denunciation is not, in itself, as unjust a procedure as it can appear to be. Today, in the province of Quebec, the “Law for the Protection of Children” allows anonymous denunciations.

The other great objection that is made of the Inquisition is of its use of torture during the interrogations. Once again, one must put things in their proper context. The inquisitorial interrogation bore no resemblance to the sadistic tortures of the Gestapo or the KGB. It was relatively mild in comparison to the torments that the courts of common law were imposing on criminals at that time. Three methods were employed:

The Garrucha was a pulley which worked a rope tied to the wrists of the accused. By it, he was raised to a certain height, and then brutally released in one stroke or in a series of successive jolts, which inflicted intense pain to the shoulders.

The Potro was a bench fitted with spikes to which the accused was attached by ropes. The torturer, by tightening the ropes, would gradually drive the spikes into the flesh of the accused.

The Toca was a funnel made of cloth which allowed water from a big jar to flow into the stomach of the accused, to the point of suffocation.
 
The inquisitorial procedure minutely regulated the practices of the interrogation. For an accused to be submitted to the torture, he had to be being prosecuted for a very grave crime, and the tribunal had to already have serious presumptions of his guilt. The local bishop had to give his agreement, which protected the accused from the abusive zeal of an occasional disreputable inquisitor. The interrogation could not be repeated. The instructions also stipulated the presence of a representative of the bishop and a doctor during the torture session, the prohibition of putting in danger of death and of mutilating, and the obligation of the doctor to render medical care immediately afterwards. The sick, the aged and pregnant women were exempted from interrogation under torture. Furthermore, torture was rarely employed: in 1-2% of the processes according to Jean Dumont, in 7-11% according to Bartolomé Bennassar.

It is surprising to learn that the majority of those accused withstood the torture and were, in consequence, acquitted. If the objective of the torturers was, as one might think, to obtain admissions of guilt at any cost, one is forced to admit that they were going about it in the wrong way. One must ask himself if the questioning under threat of torture was not more of an ultimate means of defense offered to the accused, a kind of judicial test comparable to the “ordeal” of the Middle Ages. That is, in my opinion, an hypothesis which should be looked into.

The ordeal, or “judgment of God,” was a judicial test of common usage up to about the year 1000. The accused proved his statements before the tribunal by the trial by fire, or of water or of the sword. In the first case, he held in his hands a burning coal; if his wounds were healed within a certain period of time, the tribunal concluded that his testimony had been true. In the second case, the accused was tied up and thrown into a large barrel of water; if he floated, which is the normal tendency because of the air in the lungs, the tribunal concluded that he had lied, but if he sank, at the risk of his life, it was because he had been telling the truth. Lastly, the trial by the sword put in opposition two knights representing two contradictory testimonies; victory indicated where the truth was to be found. The Church had always fought against the “ordeal”, which was a superstitious procedure, inherited from the old Germanic pagan law.

The use of torture as a means of proof is shocking to the modern mentality, but it was already an advancement in relation to the “ordeal.” One must not forget that questioning under torture was, at that time, employed much more frequently in criminal proceedings. Additionally, the Grand Inquisitor, St. John Capistran, forbade the usage of torture in inquisitorial proceedings in the 15th century, more than 300 years before King Louis XVI did the same for the criminal tribunals of France (although the Spanish Inquisition had re-established the use of it in the interim).

However that may be, and in spite of the use of torture, the inquisitorial procedure marks an advancement in the history of law. On the one hand, it definitively discarded the ordeal as a means of proof, in replacing it by the principle of testimonial proof, which still governs modern law to this day. On the other hand, it established the principle of the State as prosecutor. Up to that time, it was the victim who had to prove culpability, even in a criminal proceeding, and this was often difficult when the victim was weak and the criminal was powerful. But with the Inquisition, the victim is no more than a simple witness, as in the criminal proceedings of today. It was the ecclesiastical authority which had the burden of proof.

The number of heretics burned by the Inquisition has been greatly exaggerated. Juan Antonio Llorente is the originator of these imaginary numbers, which too many studies still refer to on this subject.18 Llorente was an apostate priest who put himself in the service of the Napoleonic occupation of Spain. After having calumniated the Inquisition, he destroyed the archives which would have been able to contradict him. Several historians still put forth inflated numbers based on anticlerical imagination.19 However, numbers of this order have been rejected since 1900 by Ernest Schafer and Alfonso Junco. Henceforth honest historians are in agreement in saying that the number of victims of the Spanish Inquisition was much less than is generally believed.20 Jean Dumont speaks of about 400 executions during the 24 years of the reign of Isabella the Catholic. That’s few indeed in comparison to the 100,000 victims of the purge of “collaborators” in France from 1944-45, or the tens of millions killed by the Communists in Russia, China, and elsewhere.

Note also that those condemned to death were not always executed. Their sentences were sometimes commuted to time in prison, and they were then burned in effigy. Moreover, the condemned were not necessarily burned alive. If they showed a certain repentance, they were suffocated before being thrown on the pyre. Remember also that it was only the relapsed, that is to say those who fell back into heresy after having abjured it, who were condemned to death.

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Some people are astonished that the Church, which elsewhere asks that we pardon our enemies, could have been able to impose the death penalty. Let us note at the outset that the duty of the public authority is not the same as that of the faithful. The duty of charity obliges the individual to pardon; even to pardon the criminal who may have killed one’s dearest relatives. But the State’s primary duty of charity is to protect the public order, to defend the physical and spiritual well-being of its subjects. If capital punishment is necessary to assure public security, the State or the Church can have recourse to it. The Catechism of the Council of Trent (chap. 33, §1) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church issued by John Paul II (art. 2266) recognize the legitimacy of the death penalty.

St. Thomas Aquinas justified the execution of criminals in noting that the fear of death often facilitated their conversion. Indeed, prison chaplains can bear witness to the fact that during the era that hanging still existed as a punishment in Canada, it was rare to see one of the condemned mount the scaffold without being confessed by a priest. Thus, the temporal punishment of death allowed the criminal to avoid the eternal death penalty which is hell. In this way, the State was practicing true charity. To restore him to freedom, as is done today on the pretense of forgiveness, is to give the criminal the occasion of relapsing back into sin and losing his soul.

At any rate, the death penalty constituted less than 1% of the sentences pronounced by the Inquisition. Most of the time, the heretics were condemned to wearing the cross on their clothes, to making pilgrimages, to serving in the Holy Land or to undergoing a flagellation, often merely symbolic. Sometimes the tribunal confiscated their goods or imprisoned them. The inquisitorial prisons were not as terrible as has been claimed. They must even have been more comfortable than the common prisons, since some criminals admitted to heresy in order to be transferred to them. In addition, the heretics often benefited from amnesties. In 1495, Queen Isabella proclaimed a general pardon for all those whom the Inquisition had condemned.

The true history of the Inquisition does not correspond at all with the black legend spread by the enemies of the Church. Bartolomé Bennassar, who is no apologist for the Holy Office, wrote in L’Inquisition espagnole, XVe-XIXe siècle, (1979):

If the Spanish Inquisition had been a tribunal like the other tribunals, I would not hesitate to conclude, without fear of contradiction and despite preconceived ideas, that it was superior to them… More efficient, there is no doubt; but also more precise and more scrupulous, in spite of the weaknesses of a certain number of judges who may have been proud, greedy or lecherous. A justice which practices a very attentive examination of the testimony, which carries out a meticulous cross-checking of it, which accepts without hesitation the defendant’s challenges of suspect witnesses (and often for the slightest reason), a justice which rarely employs torture and which, unlike certain of the civil courts of justice, and which, after a quarter of a century of atrocious severity, hardly ever condemns to capital punishment and only very prudently administers the terrible punishment of the galleys. A justice anxious to educate, to explain to the accused why he was in error, which reprimands and counsels, and whose ultimate condemnations only affect the relapsed.

…(But) the Inquisition cannot be considered as a tribunal similar to the others. The Inquisition was not charged with protecting persons and property from the various aggressions they might undergo. It was created to prohibit a belief and a cult…21

Now we are at the heart of the matter. As an honest and competent historian, Bennassar cannot but reject the calumnies which have circulated for centuries on the subject of the Inquisition. But as a liberal and a relativist, he cannot accept the principle which was at the base of this institution —which is the power of religious restraint.

After all, the only thing that the liberals can still reproach the Inquisition for is having fought against the false religions. That is normal enough, since the liberals do not believe that the Catholic Church is the one way to salvation. They cannot comprehend the supernatural finality of the Inquisition.

However, those who have the Faith must convey a positive judgment on the Inquisition. In purging the Catholic Church in Spain of Marranos influence, the Holy Office saved Spain from Protestantism and spared her the horrors of a religious war similar to those which ravaged the greater part of Europe in the 16th century. Recall that a third of the German population perished during the numerous religious wars which took place between 1520 and 1648. If the burning of a few hundred heretics had enabled Spain to avoid such a conflict, one must conclude that the Holy Office performed a humanitarian act.

In addition, the Inquisition not only saved Spain, but the entire Church. In the 16th century, the Catholic world was on the brink of ruin, vehemently attacked by the Protestant revolution in the north and the expansion of the Ottoman Turks in the east. France, immersed in a civil war, could no longer protect the Church. It was Spain which saved Christianity, most particularly at the time of the battle of Lepanto in 1571.

At the interior level, the Counter-Reformation was also a Spanish work; and if Spanish Catholicism was able to play such a beneficial role in the 16th century, it was because the Inquisition had defended its doctrinal integrity in the 15th. Today, the Church and society would perhaps not be in such a lamentable condition if there had been, in the 19th and 20th centuries, an Inquisition to protect us from the modern heresies.
 
Certainly one must not propose the re-establishment of the Inquisition. Now it is too late. The Inquisition can only be effective in a society which is already profoundly Christian. It is a defensive weapon, which is of no use in restoring the world to the Faith. Today’s Church is at the stage of the Reconquista.

But if there is not occasion to restore the Inquisition, one must certainly rehabilitate it in the eyes of history. With all due deference to those who love to see the Church disparage itself, Catholics have nothing to be ashamed of in the past work of this holy tribunal.
 
Catholics behaving badly is a major reason. I just came across this news article on another site.** It takes alot of positive PR to overcome this stuff**
“Ninos Rabados”: Spain’s Stolen Children

A firestorm in Spain is brewing over a decade’s long, systematic cover-up that snatched babies away from their mothers and placed them into the arms of the dictator Generalissimo Franco’s regime. It is estimated that between 1950 and the early 80’s, 300,000 babies were taken from parents deemed “undesirable” and sold to loyalists of General Franco. This pipeline is also thought to have been orchestrated with direct aid of the Catholic Church in Spain and has left a country wondering the fate of the “Ninos Rabados” — the stolen children.
 
Catholics behaving badly is a major reason. I just came across this news article on another site.** It takes alot of positive PR to overcome this stuff**
“Ninos Rabados”: Spain’s Stolen Children

A firestorm in Spain is brewing over a decade’s long, systematic cover-up that snatched babies away from their mothers and placed them into the arms of the dictator Generalissimo Franco’s regime. It is estimated that between 1950 and the early 80’s, 300,000 babies were taken from parents deemed “undesirable” and sold to loyalists of General Franco. This pipeline is also thought to have been orchestrated with direct aid of the Catholic Church in Spain and has left a country wondering the fate of the “Ninos Rabados” — the stolen children.
Yeah, just like the other stories against the CC. who is the reporter? what is new? nobody bothers with any other religion because it doesnt matter to them. Now, the CC is a different story. the world wants to go after the CC because the world knows who she belongs to.
 
Yeah, just like the other stories against the CC. who is the reporter? what is new? nobody bothers with any other religion because it doesnt matter to them. Now, the CC is a different story. the world wants to go after the CC because the world knows who she belongs to.
Wait, don’t drop the martyr card so quickly.
I think all religions are under attack in the media. The Catholics are just more exposed:
  • longer history to dig into, equals more stories
  • higher membership count means more sinners to transgress, equals more stories
 
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