Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

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catholic1seeks said:
So then did God make a mistake when he made gay men and women?

(When I say “made” I assume secondary causes. Just like God did not directly “make” man and woman or the fruit fly or the thunder cloud over my house. But in his providence and foresight, all came to be.)
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Actually, the scriptural accounts of most bible versions state that God CREATED man. Nothing much mentioned about providence.

God created man and woman. He told them to “go forth and multiply.” He did not have an afterthought and decide to create a few men & women who were “different”. He did, however, give us all a Free Will. We make our own choices.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Actually, the scriptural accounts of most bible versions state that God CREATED man. Nothing much mentioned about providence.

God created man and woman. He told them to “go forth and multiply.” He did not have an afterthought and decide to create a few men & women who were “different”. He did, however, give us all a Free Will. We make our own choices.
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After “The Fall,” a literal event, all of Creation was affected. Here, Jesus speaks about something I hope people find helpful:

biblehub.com/matthew/19-12.htm

Ed
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Well, that’s not exactly true. One can get a sexually transmitted disease in other ways. Needles, razors, cutting devices, using moist towels or clothing that have been used by someone who is infected, kissing…

Education and transmission of information is rather important here, don’t you think?
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I agree. Education and transmission of information is vital.

Young people should be fully aware the the rate of transmission of Sexual Transmitted Disease is at epidemic levels within the gay community. In fact the rate of transmission of STD’s among the small percentage of homosexuals exceeds that of the straight community.

Education should make it abundantly clear to all that from a public health standpoint, homosexual activity is not safe.
 
catholic1seeks said:
One issue I have is –

Why do we have these strong desires and needs in the first place if acting upon them condemns oneself to hell?
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We have these “strong desires and needs” because of chemical and other processes that are rooted in God’s procreative heterosexual design.
That’s the problem I have with this notion of mortal sin inherent in the act of certain sexual activity, as if every single homosexual act is inherently and intrinsically gravely sinful.
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When a married couple performs, between themselves in a human manner, the conjugal act which is suitable for the generation of children they are acting according to God’s plan.

Anything else is inherently and intrinsically gravely sinful, as well as unnatural and abnormal.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
I agree. Education and transmission of information is vital.

Young people should be fully aware the the rate of transmission of Sexual Transmitted Disease is at epidemic levels within the gay community. In fact the rate of transmission of STD’s among the small percentage of homosexuals exceeds that of the straight community.

Education should make it abundantly clear to all that from a public health standpoint, homosexual activity is not safe.
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It’s not that homosexual activity is not safe. It’s having unsafe sex that is not safe, and that’s true whether it’s gay sex or straight sex. STDs can be transmitted to straight people who don’t practice safe sex just as easily as they can be transmitted to LGBT people who don’t practice safe sex. That’s why LGBT people should all be encouraged to practice safe sex and use condoms or be in a monogamous relationship if they’re going to be sexually active.
 
edwest2 said:
It seems the desire trumps anyone who says “no” to it. You just can’t say no. No is not acceptable. Free will is presented as “Do what you want” not what some old book or Church tells you because God loves us and cares about us and, believe it or not, so does the Church. But if you go to LGBT web sites, all Christians and disagreers are immediately labeled and attacked or dismissed. “Don’t listen to those homophobic, bigoted haters.”

I don’t want to hate anyone. Honestly.

I have watched decades pass and more and more sexual immorality - first straight, now LGBT - portrayed in movies and on TV as neutral, normative and What’s the big deal?

Don’t ignore that, people.

Ed, I agree with everything you wrote. There are even those Catholic-in-name-only sites like Fortunate Families, DignityUSA, New Ways, Equally Blessed that feel this same way.

Fortunate Families tried to sponsor a booth at the WMOF. Thankfully, the people in charge of approving such booths rejected them because they were teaching Catholic parents that if they didn’t fully embrace their child’s homosexuality (meaning, sex life), you were risking your kids committing suicide. Very sadly, I knew people (now deceased) who were involved and bought into to all the rhetoric. I now worry about their eternal souls. However, I am thrilled that the WMOF didn’t allow Fortunate Families to spread their immoral message.

God bless.
Ed
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Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Actually, the scriptural accounts of most bible versions state that God CREATED man. Nothing much mentioned about providence.

God created man and woman. He told them to “go forth and multiply.” He did not have an afterthought and decide to create a few men & women who were “different”. He did, however, give us all a Free Will. We make our own choices.
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Can I add one piece? Jesus’ first miracle was at a (traditional) wedding. He obviously thought the event was a huge deal.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
I agree. Education and transmission of information is vital.

Young people should be fully aware the the rate of transmission of Sexual Transmitted Disease is at epidemic levels within the gay community. In fact the rate of transmission of STD’s among the small percentage of homosexuals exceeds that of the straight community.

Education should make it abundantly clear to all that from a public health standpoint, homosexual activity is not safe.
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As well, the life expectancy of an active homoesexual is lessened, and there is more gay-on-gay marital violence than there is in traditional marriages.
 
Thorolfr said:
It’s not that homosexual activity is not safe. It’s having unsafe sex that is not safe, and that’s true whether it’s gay sex or straight sex. STDs can be transmitted to straight people who don’t practice safe sex just as easily as they can be transmitted to LGBT people who don’t practice safe sex. That’s why LGBT people should all be encouraged to practice safe sex and use condoms or be in a monogamous relationship if they’re going to be sexually active.
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Um, not quite. Even if gays practice “safe sex” is practiced, there are other types of sex as well as other consequences:

factsaboutyouth.com/posts/male-homosexual-behavior/

When you mess with an orafice that was meant for bowel excretion, you are truly asking for trouble. I know you will say this also is present in the heterosexual community, but not to the same alarming extent given the demographics of both groups.
 
1990Domer said:
As well, the life expectancy of an active homoesexual is lessened, and there is more gay-on-gay marital violence than there is in traditional marriages.
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The notion that the life-expectancy of homosexuals is less than that of straight people is a myth. These statistics come from Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute and have been refuted by demographers:
Cameron’s method had the virtue of simplicity, at least. He and two co-authors read through back numbers of various urban gay community papers, mostly of the giveaway sort that are laden with bar ads and personals. They counted up obituaries and news stories about deaths, noted the ages of the deceased, computed the average, and published the resulting numbers as estimates of gay life expectancy.
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What do vital-statistics buffs think of this technique? Nick Eberstadt at the American Enterprise Institute sums up the reactions of several of his fellow demographers: “The method as you describe it is just ridiculous.” But you don’t have to be a trained statistician to spot the fallacy at its heart, which is, to quote Centers for Disease Control and Prevention statistician John Karon, that “you’re only getting the ages of those who die.” Gay men of the same generation destined to live to old age, even if more numerous, won’t turn up in the sample.
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Other critics rattle off further objections. The deaths reported in these papers, mostly AIDS deaths, will tend to represent the community defined by such papers or directly known to their editors. It will include relatively more subjects who live in town and are overtly gay and relatively few who blend into the suburbs and seldom set foot in bars. It will overrepresent those whose passing strikes others as newsworthy and underrepresent those who end their days in retired obscurity in some sunny clime.
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slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/1997/12/william_bennett_gays_and_the_truth.html
 
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1990Domer:
That is where we are right now. Sex life is all. The Church has it all wrong. Back in the 1970s, I was witnessing to a man and his wife, overhearing, came up to me, and with an angry tone, said, “Your religion says that my son can’t masturbate.”

We need to identify the sources of confusion that believe in a false set of ideas. We need to know who they are so we can understand them, and dialogue with them, or at least, pray for them. The very existence of such groups shows the ongoing plan of “sex is all” that is the most recent, since the late 1960s, attack on right living. On morality. On the true meaning of marriage, love and commitment. The truth needs to be brought to light daily to counterattack the falsehoods being spread among the people.

Be the salt of the earth with charity.

God bless,
Ed
 
It is not a USA issue, Catholic means Universal, it is a Catholic Church issue, it is an Irish issue, Italian, Croatia,Netherlands etc;
 
1990Domer said:
Um, not quite. Even if gays practice “safe sex” is practiced, there are other types of sex as well as other consequences:

factsaboutyouth.com/posts/male-homosexual-behavior/

When you mess with an orafice that was meant for bowel excretion, you are truly asking for trouble. I know you will say this also is present in the heterosexual community, but not to the same alarming extent given the demographics of both groups.
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lifesitenews.com/news/doctors-say-legalizing-same-sex-marriage-will-give-false-impression-gay-sex

Ed
 
Thorolfr said:
It’s not that homosexual activity is not safe. It’s having unsafe sex that is not safe, and that’s true whether it’s gay sex or straight sex. STDs can be transmitted to straight people who don’t practice safe sex just as easily as they can be transmitted to LGBT people who don’t practice safe sex. That’s why LGBT people should all be encouraged to practice safe sex and use condoms or be in a monogamous relationship if they’re going to be sexually active.
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It’s not that homosexual activity is not safe.…Are you saying that it is safe??? :mad:

that’s true whether it’s gay sex or straight sex.…Comparing two wrongs do not make it right. Bad argument.

In 2010 the CDC reported: There were an estimated 38,000 new HIV infections among men in the United States. Seventy-eight percent (29,800) of these were among homosexuals.

Remember gays account for less than 2% of the population…yet they accounted for 78% of all new HIV infections

The current media portrayal of gay and lesbian relationships is that they are as healthy, stable and loving as heterosexual marriages — or even more so. Medical associations are promoting somewhat similar messages. Sexual relationships between members of the same sex, however, expose gays, lesbians and bisexuals to extreme risks of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs), physical injuries, mental disorders and even a shortened life span.

Trying to tell the gay community about safe sex and monogamous relationships is proving to be a waste of time.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
It’s not that homosexual activity is not safe.…Are you saying that it is safe??? :mad:

that’s true whether it’s gay sex or straight sex.…Comparing two wrongs do not make it right. Bad argument.

In 2010 the CDC reported: There were an estimated 38,000 new HIV infections among men in the United States. Seventy-eight percent (29,800) of these were among homosexuals.

Remember gays account for less than 2% of the population…yet they accounted for 78% of all new HIV infections

The current media portrayal of gay and lesbian relationships is that they are as healthy, stable and loving as heterosexual marriages — or even more so. Medical associations are promoting somewhat similar messages. Sexual relationships between members of the same sex, however, expose gays, lesbians and bisexuals to extreme risks of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs), physical injuries, mental disorders and even a shortened life span.
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There is currently an argument put by some that SSM availability will remedy the situation. We shall see.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
It’s not that homosexual activity is not safe.…Are you saying that it is safe??? :mad:

that’s true whether it’s gay sex or straight sex.…Comparing two wrongs do not make it right. Bad argument.

In 2010 the CDC reported: There were an estimated 38,000 new HIV infections among men in the United States. Seventy-eight percent (29,800) of these were among homosexuals.

Remember gays account for less than 2% of the population…yet they accounted for 78% of all new HIV infections
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Let’s try using your brilliant method worldwide and see how convincing it is. :rolleyes:

According to Wikipedia’s article on Epidemiology of HIV/AIDS:
As of 2012, approximately 35.3 million people are living with HIV globally.[2] Of these, approximately 17.2 million are men, 16.8 million are women and 3.4 million are less than 15 years old.[3] There were about 1.8 million deaths from AIDS in 2010, down from 2.2 million in 2005.[3]
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Sub-Saharan Africa is the region most affected. In 2010, an estimated 68% (22.9 million) of all HIV cases and 66% of all deaths (1.2 million) occurred in this region.[4] This means that about 5% of the adult population in this area is infected.[5] Here, in contrast to other regions, women compose nearly 60% of cases.[4]
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Sub-Saharan Africa remains the hardest-hit region. HIV infection is becoming endemic in sub-Saharan Africa, which is home to just over 12% of the world’s population but two-thirds of all people infected with HIV.[12] The adult HIV prevalence rate is 5.0% and between 21.6 million and 24.1 million total are affected.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_HIV/AIDS

So 68 percent of the 35.3 million people worldwide with HIV are in Sub-Saharan Africa and 60% of those are women even though this region has just 12% of the world’s population. The vast majority of these people with HIV/AIDS in Africa are heterosexual and it is epidemic among them. Therefore, heterosexual activity for Sub-Saharan Africans is extremely dangerous and is not safe and should be avoided.

Does that sound convincing to you Zoltan since this is your method of reasoning above? It doesn’t sound like a very convincing or sound method of reasoning to me.
 
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