Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

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1990Domer said:
I know you will say this also is present in the heterosexual community, but not to the same alarming extent given the demographics of both groups.
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Too right someone is going to say…

The little research that has been conducted suggests that about one-fourth of heterosexual-identified women and men have had anal sex, but that doesn’t mean that one-fourth of heterosexual couples have anal sex regularly. In fact, research suggests that only about 10% of women and men have had anal sex in the past year. - See more at: kinseyconfidential.org/common-anal-sex-heterosexual-couples/#sthash.2kmOUkRe.dpuf

Even if we take the extremely low figure of 10% and assume that the gay population is 2% then we are talking about a problem (as you would put it) that is FIVE TIMES more prevalent in the heterosexual community.

And you say it’s not to he same extent? That’s bizarre…
 
Bradski said:
Too right someone is going to say…

The little research that has been conducted suggests that about one-fourth of heterosexual-identified women and men have had anal sex, but that doesn’t mean that one-fourth of heterosexual couples have anal sex regularly. In fact, research suggests that only about 10% of women and men have had anal sex in the past year. - See more at: kinseyconfidential.org/common-anal-sex-heterosexual-couples/#sthash.2kmOUkRe.dpuf

Even if we take the extremely low figure of 10% and assume that the gay population is 2% then we are talking about a problem (as you would put it) that is FIVE TIMES more prevalent in the heterosexual community.

And you say it’s not to he same extent? That’s bizarre…
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You are using faulty logic. First, you are saying (or maybe implying) that 100% of the gay population has anal sex. In absolute terms, how many gays are in the U.S. population? Sure, anal sex is practiced by heterosexual couples, but in absolute terms, the numbers of heterosexual couples performing anal sex is nowhere near your simplified math equation. We’re talking 98% of the remaining U.S. population. You need read numbers, not percentages.

Classic example I had with my MIL. She told me she lost 20% in the stock market during its last downturn. Wow, that’s a lot of money, some may say. However, was it 20% of $10,000, $100,000, $1 million or $10 million. Like her claim, that really provided no use information, you post falls in the same category.
 
catholic1seeks said:
Not according to science.
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Some gay groups argue that Jesus was referring to homosexuals when He mentioned eunuchs who were “born that way.” However, the Bible never uses the words homosexual and eunuch interchangeably. Furthermore, eunuchs are never referred to in Scripture as being in sin, while homosexuality is universally condemned in both the Old and New Testaments.

Science has not concluded that all gays are “born that way.” There are genetic and environmental factors, as seen here:

livescience.com/47288-twin-study-importance-of-genetics.html
 
At this point, I am going to bow out because we are at an impasse. I will not convince you nor will you convince me. As you don’t want to be brainwashed into thinking SSM is evil, demeaning, lacking- dignity, I also do not to be brainwashed into thinking there are no moral or physical consequences to these unions.

I will leave with one last observation. Sexual relations of its different makings seem to be an overwhelming talking posing with heterosexuals. Their world seems to revolve around sex. As sex is a privledge and a gift–not a right or entitlement–this aspect of the homosexual lifestyle really bothers me.

Peace.
 
1990Domer said:
At this point, I am going to bow out because we are at an impasse. I will not convince you nor will you convince me. As you don’t want to be brainwashed into thinking SSM is evil, demeaning, lacking- dignity, I also do not to be brainwashed into thinking there are no moral or physical consequences to these unions.

I will leave with one last observation. Sexual relations of its different makings seem to be an overwhelming talking posing with heterosexuals. Their world seems to revolve around sex. As sex is a privledge and a gift–not a right or entitlement–this aspect of the homosexual lifestyle really bothers me.

Peace.
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Sorry, I misspoke. Sexual relations seems to be an overwhelming talking point with homosexuals. I don’t think that I ever hear a conversation where sexual relations are not part of the conversation.
 
1990Domer said:
Sorry, I don’t think Slate is a reputable source. How about this more scientific article:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636618/
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Part of the problem with using scientific studies that show that LGBT people have shorter life spans as a method of attacking them is that it is not very charitable and doesn’t solve any problems. To use another kind of example, studies also show that black people have a lower life expectancy than white people and uneducated black people have an even lower life expectancy:
The researchers found that white men with 16 or more years of schooling can expect to live an average of 14 years longer than black men with fewer than 12 years of education.(For white and black women with the same educational differences, that gap was 10 years.)
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businessinsider.com/huge-racial-gap-in-life-expectancy-2014-1

So should we use this statistic to argue that it’s a sin and morally wrong to be black and uneducated? I hope not. The reasons for the lower life expectancy might be due to poverty, poorer mental and physical health which ultimately arise from oppression and discrimination, etc.

If we had a scientific study of gay men who adopted the Catholic solution and lived celibate lives, we might find that they also had a lower life expectancy because they were poorer living in single person households and suffered more from loneliness and depression. But none of those things would be a sin.
 
1990Domer said:
Some gay groups argue that Jesus was referring to homosexuals when He mentioned eunuchs who were “born that way.” However, the Bible never uses the words homosexual and eunuch interchangeably. Furthermore, eunuchs are never referred to in Scripture as being in sin, while homosexuality is universally condemned in both the Old and New Testaments.

Science has not concluded that all gays are “born that way.” There are genetic and environmental factors, as seen here:

livescience.com/47288-twin-study-importance-of-genetics.html
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That’s right, but the world has become deformed as opposed to the people God started with.

Ed
 
1990Domer said:
Yep, Ed, 2 plus 2 does equal 5. Silly me for thinking otherwise!
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That is the Catholic Answer - not the math problem:) All the people Jesus healed? That’s literal. He came to heal the entire person in all aspects. He raised the dead.

Ed
 
catholic1seeks said:
I am not going to believe something I do not believe to be true.
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That is a fair statement. If you do not accept the teachings of the Church then don’t. But, you can not have it both ways. If you believe that the Church is wrong then, walk away from Her.

The Church will not back away from this. She teaches Biology 101. That is the truth. Furthermore, I often wonder how, Darwin’s Theory of Evolution is taught in the gay community. The survival of the fittest sounds very bigoted to me.
 
HelenRose said:
If you believe that the Church is wrong then, walk away from Her.
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Is that what the Catholic Church teaches, that if a Catholic doesn’t agree with every one of the Church’s teachings, they should leave?
 
Thorolfr said:
Is that what the Catholic Church teaches, that if a Catholic doesn’t agree with every one of the Church’s teachings, they should leave?
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There is a list of Dogmatic statements. It covers a variety of subjects and issues. This is based on Biblical sources - Divine revelation. Sometimes, confusion occurs when what the Church teaches as Dogma is considered equivalent to men thought of this, not God.

Best,
Ed
 
HelenRose said:
Darwin’s Theory of Evolution is taught in the gay community. The survival of the fittest sounds very bigoted to me.
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Uhm…it sounds like you mightbe talking about “social darwinism” (which isn’t biology or a part of the theory of evolution).
 
Rau said:
There is currently an argument put by some that SSM availability will remedy the situation. We shall see.
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I hope that some gays would enter “marriage” with the idea of fidelity and life long relationships. They would certainty lower their health risks. However we know that ALL gays are not interested in marriage. We are also seeing many who do “marry” include " open marriage" clauses in their marriage agreements. They have no intention of maintaining a monogamous relationship and will continue to lead a risky (health wise) lifestyle.
 
Thorolfr said:
Is that what the Catholic Church teaches, that if a Catholic doesn’t agree with every one of the Church’s teachings, they should leave?
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IMHO, yes. If you do not believe all the dogma of the RCC, then why belong? The RCC is not a Chinese buffet where you can pick and choose. There are many other churches that would probably serve the person better.
 
Thorolfr said:
Part of the problem with using scientific studies that show that LGBT people have shorter life spans as a method of attacking them is that it is not very charitable and doesn’t solve any problems. To use another kind of example, studies also show that black people have a lower life expectancy than white people and uneducated black people have an even lower life expectancy:

businessinsider.com/huge-racial-gap-in-life-expectancy-2014-1

So should we use this statistic to argue that it’s a sin and morally wrong to be black and uneducated? I hope not. The reasons for the lower life expectancy might be due to poverty, poorer mental and physical health which ultimately arise from oppression and discrimination, etc.

If we had a scientific study of gay men who adopted the Catholic solution and lived celibate lives, we might find that they also had a lower life expectancy because they were poorer living in single person households and suffered more from loneliness and depression. But none of those things would be a sin.
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I guess it’s OK for you to use a statistic but not me. Ok. That’s fine. I recognize an impasse when I see it. However, I thinks statistics are important about dangerous lifestyle choices. I am not going to judge the morality of what an individual does. I will educate but not judge. Big difference.
 
edwest2 said:
That is the Catholic Answer - not the math problem:) All the people Jesus healed? That’s literal. He came to heal the entire person in all aspects. He raised the dead.

Ed
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Ed, I am not sure I caught your drift, but we live in a very orthodox household. So, I am with you.
 
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