Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

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Rau said:
To what end? To form a view about whether the priest acted properly? To form a view about whether the two men have sinned? To form a view about whether the two men seek reconciliation?
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Because you seemed to imply that any story in the Huffington Post might not be reliable. But the story was widely reported in many other news sources, including both local Montana ones and national ones.
 
Thorolfr said:
Because you seemed to imply that any story in the Huffington Post might not be reliable. But the story was widely reported in many other news sources, including both local Montana ones and national ones.
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Media stories rarely provide all the information required for other than entertainment purposes. This one is unlikely to be an exception.

It remains that reconciliation requires a commitment to avoid sin.
 
Thorolfr said:
Because you seemed to imply that any story in the Huffington Post might not be reliable. But the story was widely reported in many other news sources, including both local Montana ones and national ones.
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The couple decided to make their sin public. That left the priest with few choices. Obviously they could not remain in positions of leadership after having made a mockery of marriage and publicly disputing Church teaching.
 
Yeah its crazy how many Drew Mariani shows on relevant radio have touched on gay marriage and the upcoming “persecution” when there was only one short segment last month covering the earthquake in Nepal that killed thousands of people- a far greater instance of suffering in my opinion.
 
estesbob said:
The couple decided to make their sin public. That left the priest with few choices. Obviously they could not remain in positions of leadership after having made a mockery of marriage and publicly disputing Church teaching.
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If I could ask a personal question out of sincere curiosity –

What does your daughter (and her partner) plan to do church-wise once they are married?
 
catholic1seeks said:
Oh.

Sadly, I guess that is a consequence all too often.
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My daughter and her former partner were involved in the Episcopal church for a while. And yes it sad. The greatest gift my parents gave me is my faith and I am sad I failed in passing it on to all my children. But all I can do now if live my faith as best as I can and let the Lord work his wonders.
 
estesbob said:
My daughter and her former partner were involved in the Episcopal church for a while. And yes it sad. The greatest gift my parents gave me is my faith and I am sad I failed in passing it on to all my children. But all I can do now if live my faith as best as I can and let the Lord work his wonders.
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Honestly, you can’t be too hard on yourself. In my post you just responded too, I was hinting at that for may gay persons, it is hard to see themselves in the Christian faith. It may not have been this way for your daughter, but for many it is as if the churches do not really know or understand what it is like. (to be gay)
 
catholic1seeks said:
Honestly, you can’t be too hard on yourself. In my post you just responded too, I was hinting at that for may gay persons, it is hard to see themselves in the Christian faith. It may not have been this way for your daughter, but for many it is as if the churches do not really know or understand what it is like. (to be gay)
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I know that is the case with my Daughter. My father always said you raise your children the best way you can and when they do something good you take way to much credit and when they do something bad you take way to much blame!
 
catholic1seeks said:
Honestly, you can’t be too hard on yourself. In my post you just responded too, I was hinting at that for may gay persons, it is hard to see themselves in the Christian faith. It may not have been this way for your daughter, but for many it is as if the churches do not really know or understand what it is like. (to be gay)
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The pastor of my family’s Baptist church told me when I was 21 that I couldn’t be gay and be a Christian, so since I didn’t really know how to stop being gay, I didn’t go to any church for about 15 years. Then I was surprised to find that there are some Christian churches that do welcome LGBT people. That’s how I ended up in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). 🙂
 
Thorolfr said:
The pastor of my family’s Baptist church told me when I was 21 that I couldn’t be gay and be a Christian, so since I didn’t really know how to stop being gay, I didn’t go to any church for about 15 years. Then I was surprised to find that there are some Christian churches that do welcome LGBT people. That’s how I ended up in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). 🙂
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The Catholic Church welcomes homosexuals. They just didn’t change their teachings to accommodate the current culture as many Christian Denominations did.
 
estesbob said:
The Catholic Church welcomes homosexuals. They just didn’t change their teachings to accommodate the current culture as many Christian Denominations did.
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Don’t you think change can be good, though?
 
catholic1seeks said:
Don’t you think change can be good, though?
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Depends on the change. I am at a loss as to the reasoning of those denominations that suddenly decided that homosexual behavior was OK. They threw out 4,000 years of Judeo/Christian teaching. How can you trust anything such a denomination holds to be true? If they were wrong about homosexual behavior how we can we trust them to have been right about the Divinity of Jesus or the resurrection? And doesn’t such a change point to a pretty inept god? A god who let his people be in serious error for 4,000 years?

I believe such changes are grounded in arrogance and a false sense of ‘inclusion’ Basically they are claiming that we are the most enlightened people in the History of mankind and ALL who went before us were wrong. I cant buy that. It would make my life a lot easier if I could . I could just church shop until I found a denomination that catered to the way “I” want to live “my” life and if I cant find one I could just start my own.
 
estesbob said:
Depends on the change. I am at a loss as to the reasoning of those denominations that suddenly decided that homosexual behavior was OK. They threw out 4,000 years of Judeo/Christian teaching. How can you trust anything such a denomination holds to be true? If they were wrong about homosexual behavior how we can we trust them to have been right about the Divinity of Jesus or the resurrection? And doesn’t such a change point to a pretty inept god? A god who let his people be in serious error for 4,000 years?

I believe such changes are grounded in arrogance and a false sense of ‘inclusion’ Basically they are claiming that we are the most enlightened people in the History of mankind and ALL who went before us were wrong. I cant buy that. It would make my life a lot easier if I could . I could just church shop until I found a denomination that catered to the way “I” want to live “my” life and if I cant find one I could just start my own.
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I think those denominations would view their “new” attitude towards homosexuality in terms of it being a culturally-determined thing (like Jewish dietary laws), rather than a universal moral absolute, which is the RCC’s position. Which doesn’t make either position ipso facto correct, of course, but while some value a re-asserted inclusionism over customary teaching, others prefer the tradition. (I know which I prefer, which is why I ended up a Catholic). God lets us be in error all the time, remember (and be grateful every time you see a rainbow), so there is no reason to suppose He would have been particularly exercised about this issue. It’s not quite the same as turning to Baal, I think.

(Minor query-aside- does Judaic tradition go as far back as ~2000BC? I’m not aware of any evidence for it other than the somewhat suspect chronology of the Bible itself…).

Whichever position one holds, I think the purported prohibitions on homosexual activity is on a very different level from the direct matter of faith which is the Resurrection. I don’t think thinking that homosexual acts are “ok” with the Almighty makes one non-Christian (you might well be a Christian who isn’t advocating what God would want, but we can all be guilty of that some times)
 
estesbob said:
Depends on the change. I am at a loss as to the reasoning of those denominations that suddenly decided that homosexual behavior was OK. They threw out 4,000 years of Judeo/Christian teaching. How can you trust anything such a denomination holds to be true? If they were wrong about homosexual behavior how we can we trust them to have been right about the Divinity of Jesus or the resurrection? And doesn’t such a change point to a pretty inept god? A god who let his people be in serious error for 4,000 years?
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It’s actually kind of simple. Different denominations have been making lots of compromises over the years. How many are now okay with artificial birth control? How many are okay with divorce and remarriage (despite scripture calling it adultery)? They’ve already compromised on sexual ethics so they essentially had no scriptural leg left to stand on.
 
Murmurs said:
(Minor query-aside- does Judaic tradition go as far back as ~2000BC? I’m not aware of any evidence for it other than the somewhat suspect chronology of the Bible itself…).
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The earliest reference that I know of in the Judeo-Christian tradition to homosexuality is in Leviticus which most scholars believe reached its final form sometime between the 6th century BC and the 4th century BC.
 
Murmurs said:
I think those denominations would view their “new” attitude towards homosexuality in terms of it being a culturally-determined thing (like Jewish dietary laws), rather than a universal moral absolute, which is the RCC’s position. Which doesn’t make either position ipso facto correct, of course, but while some value a re-asserted inclusionism over customary teaching, others prefer the tradition. (I know which I prefer, which is why I ended up a Catholic). God lets us be in error all the time, remember (and be grateful every time you see a rainbow), so there is no reason to suppose He would have been particularly exercised about this issue. It’s not quite the same as turning to Baal, I think.

(Minor query-aside- does Judaic tradition go as far back as ~2000BC? I’m not aware of any evidence for it other than the somewhat suspect chronology of the Bible itself…).

Whichever position one holds, I think the purported prohibitions on homosexual activity is on a very different level from the direct matter of faith which is the Resurrection. I don’t think thinking that homosexual acts are “ok” with the Almighty makes one non-Christian (you might well be a Christian who isn’t advocating what God would want, but we can all be guilty of that some times)
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So why did God let his people live in error for thousands of years?What insight do we have that makes us smarter than all who went before us.
 
at9009 said:
It’s actually kind of simple. Different denominations have been making lots of compromises over the years. How many are now okay with artificial birth control? How many are okay with divorce and remarriage (despite scripture calling it adultery)? They’ve already compromised on sexual ethics so they essentially had no scriptural leg left to stand on.
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Started with the so called reformation We now have thousands of different versions of Christianity holding often conflicting doctrines and beliefs.
 
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