Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

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It is more of an attitude. Instead of saying, “The Church is wrong. The Church must change.” to “I don’t understand why the Church teaches this. I will study and try to understand the rationale behind this teaching.”

But if someone finds that they are absolutely opposed to what the Church teaches and speaks out to the world about how wrong the Church is… well there needs to be some soul searching going on here.

Certainly, it takes time to learn and to understand and we all have questions as to why. But the open defiance against a fundamental teaching of the Church is an entirely different matter.

I can not imagine staying with in any organization that I fundamentally disagreed with. It would cause me and those around me a great deal of discord emotionally.

If you want to protest. Become an honest Protestant and be who you are.
I love the explanation of this post. This was the precise situation we found ourselves in with my in-laws. They were part of a rather militant pro SSM group but presented themselves as faithful Catholics. Two things happened: 1) they lulled members of their church to think SSM was OK (as their pastor approved them to EMCs and they held leadership positions) 2) devout members complained to the squishy pastor about their involvement in ministries as committing scandal. The pastor, squishy himself on SSM, allowed my in-laws to hold these prominent positions and continue in ministry. End result–faithful Catholics left the church, and we were shunned for being faithful Catholics.
 
I am sure there are lesbians/gays at the RC church that I currently attend. I have had gay friends over the years.
What I mean by “in my face,” is allowing lesbians and gays to get married. That will not happen in the Catholic Church. I know my church allows it, and I don’t like it.
What a sad way to live. How on earth do you go to work, to the movies, grocery shopping and the mall without having to come face to face with LGBTQ people? Jesus ate with the Pharisees.🤷
 
There are only a handful of references to homosexuality in the entire Bible, but they are found in the Old Testament and Paul’s writings. To put it in perspective, while there are only seven references to homosexuality, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of references to economic justice and the laws governing the accumulation and distribution of wealth. Why is it we set these economic sins aside and concentrate of sexual sins ? Are we Calvanists or Catholics ?
 
And what annoys me is Catholics wedded to Calvinist views on economics and who sit in place of God in judging human sexuality. I seem to remember that the Gospel of John says " God so loved the World" without a conditional clause; in other words God loved his creation warts and all and sent Jesus to forgive sins not judge them. If Jesus forgave sinners who are you to judge them ?
 
Catholic Archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin, hardly a man of little faith, who has seen the Catholic church collapse in Europe ( especially in Ireland and Holland) says the obsession with sexual sin as against economic sin has been a prime cause. Take Holland for example- the Church is losing thousands of church going Catholics every year or Ireland, where anti-clericalism is now rife. How long can a Church centered in Rome go on losing its support in Europe if secularism triumphs ? Its all well and good to be dogmatic but we do well to remember Jesus in the end was all about loving not judging.
 
What a sad way to live. How on earth do you go to work, to the movies, grocery shopping and the mall without having to come face to face with LGBTQ people? Jesus ate with the Pharisees.🤷
The complaint that I seem to hear more frequently (from my friends) is encountering people that are transgendered but not transexual in the restroom. I recall particularly well the account of a friend that was started when she encountered the woman with the penis in the women’s restroom. She works with three other transgendered people and is a bit uncomfortable with the bathroom encounters. The people I’ve asked generally seem more comfortable with transexuals than transgendered.
 
The complaint that I seem to hear more frequently (from my friends) is encountering people that are transgendered but not transexual in the restroom. I recall particularly well the account of a friend that was started when she encountered the woman with the penis in the women’s restroom. She works with three other transgendered people and is a bit uncomfortable with the bathroom encounters. The people I’ve asked generally seem more comfortable with transexuals than transgendered.
Where do you (or your friends) live that this happens “frequently”?

I live in New York City (and have for more than fifty years), and this has never happened to me or anyone I know.
 
The complaint that I seem to hear more frequently (from my friends) is encountering people that are transgendered but not transexual in the restroom. I recall particularly well the account of a friend that was started when she encountered the woman with the penis in the women’s restroom. She works with three other transgendered people and is a bit uncomfortable with the bathroom encounters. The people I’ve asked generally seem more comfortable with transexuals than transgendered.
Interesting. I have used women’s rest rooms for quite a long time and have never seen ANYONE’s ‘private parts.’ Most of that gets uncovered in the stall, male or female.

I have seen people in drag, however, go into the men’s room. I believe that is a different story.
 
Where do you (or your friends) live that this happens “frequently”?
Atlanta.
I live in New York City (and have for more than fifty years), and this has never happened to me or anyone I know.
Newer places in the downtown and midtown areas of Atlanta have opted to just have an array of individual bathrooms that anyone can use. For places that have been around a while that’s not an option unless they want to do significant remodeling.

I think it’s probably more of a concern for females than males. For the transgender’s of which I hear friends complainant though their features from sexual dimorphism still show through rather clearly (such as the bulge on one’s neck or the front of the pants).

I’ve heard of places making rules to attempt to get people to go to the restroom that matches the sex into which they were born, but it seems that no matter what there’s problems. ex: this person would walk into a men’s restroom under such a rule.


It’s a conflict for which I’ve never been able to think of a solution that would be satisfying to most.
 
No, I do think there is a lack of balance here. I do not mean to pick out the radio show because, like I said, I do really enjoy Catholic Answers Live. But, to make a point, one never sees this show dedicating entire shows to fornication or adultery or the like. Homosexuality, Same-sex marriage, etc. is overwhelmingly the concentration.

And yes, there may be religious liberty issues at stake in the country. But once again, the issue is obsessed over and overblown; and as I mentioned, it is not just the gay marriage issue, but the broader “gay issue” – talking about the sinfulness of homosexuality, etc.

I counted nearly one-third of the articles on NewAdvent just now focusing on the issue.
 
Catholic Archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin, hardly a man of little faith, who has seen the Catholic church collapse in Europe ( especially in Ireland and Holland) says the obsession with sexual sin as against economic sin has been a prime cause. Take Holland for example- the Church is losing thousands of church going Catholics every year or Ireland, where anti-clericalism is now rife. How long can a Church centered in Rome go on losing its support in Europe if secularism triumphs ? Its all well and good to be dogmatic but we do well to remember Jesus in the end was all about loving not judging.
Really? It seems to me Jesus is about both. What is Jesus going to do when he comes again?

When he starts his ministry he begins to preach and say “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” If there is no judgment what is there to repent from?

Jesus came to call sinners because they are the ones that need a physician–to be healed. From what? Their sin–correct? Isn’t this judging? How else do you know what a sin is?

What do you make of these words of Jesus when he sends the twelve–“Whoever does not receive you or listen to your words–go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet. Amen I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.”

Or what about this referring to Jesus: “Then he began to reproach the towns where most of his mighty deed had been done, since they had not repented. 'Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For it the mighty deeds done in your midst had been done in Tyre and sidon, they would long ago have repented in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.”

What does loving and not judging mean to you? Where do you stand on sin–is it something we need to repent from or do you think we have moved beyond sin? Jesus loves us and calls all of us sinners but answering his call requires something of us–our repentance from sin and our striving to do the will of his Father–does it not? No one seems to have a problem with judging actions such as murder and abuse but really it seems only to be in the sexual arena that we start hearing “hey don’t judge, Jesus is about love.”

It seems to me that the Church is what Christ founded and sent into the world to proclaim his truth. This is not being judgmental–it’s up to people to listen to that truth or not. We believe not listening to this truth may have consequences for those who do not listen, but because of a variety of factors we do not know what those consequences may be for any particular person. To be quite truthful I am more worried about my own actions–and sins of omission, the luxury (not by american standards) that I live in when compared to a good portion of the world–I fear that I will be called to answer for not doing more to help the poor and downtrodden of the world. Love is not affirming everything someone wants to do and that is not what Jesus did.

The Church loses people because too many Christians treat the faith as if it was a list of don’ts keeping them from having fun, they don’t act joyful living the faith but rather dour following the faith. The faith that should free them and bring them joy and peace. The world should see us happy and joyful no matter what the world brings–if our faith did that for us–people would be curious about what we had–about our faith and how it brings such joy and peace.

The peace of Christ,
Mark
 
Really? It seems to me Jesus is about both. What is Jesus going to do when he comes again?

When he starts his ministry he begins to preach and say “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” If there is no judgment what is there to repent from?

Jesus came to call sinners because they are the ones that need a physician–to be healed. From what? Their sin–correct? Isn’t this judging? How else do you know what a sin is?

What do you make of these words of Jesus when he sends the twelve–“Whoever does not receive you or listen to your words–go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet. Amen I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.”

Or what about this referring to Jesus: “Then he began to reproach the towns where most of his mighty deeds had been done, since they had not repented. 'Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty deeds done in your midst had been done in Tyre and sidon, they would long ago have repented in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.”

What does loving and not judging mean to you? Where do you stand on sin–is it something we need to repent from or do you think we have moved beyond sin? Jesus loves us and calls all of us sinners but answering his call requires something of us–our repentance from sin and our striving to do the will of his Father–does it not? No one seems to have a problem with judging actions such as murder and abuse but really it seems only to be in the sexual arena that we start hearing “hey don’t judge, Jesus is about love.”

It seems to me that the Church is what Christ founded and sent into the world to proclaim his truth. This is not being judgmental–it’s up to people to listen to that truth or not. We believe not listening to this truth may have consequences for those who do not listen, but because of a variety of factors we do not know what those consequences may be for any particular person. To be quite truthful I am more worried about my own actions–and sins of omission, the luxury (not by american standards) that I live in when compared to a good portion of the world–I fear that I will be called to answer for not doing more to help the poor and downtrodden of the world. Love is not affirming everything someone wants to do and that is not what Jesus did.

The Church loses people because too many Christians treat the faith as if it was a list of don’ts keeping them from having fun, they don’t act joyful living the faith but rather dour following the faith. The faith that should free them and bring them joy and peace. The world should see us happy and joyful no matter what the world brings–if our faith did that for us–people would be curious about what we had–about our faith and how it brings such joy and peace.

The peace of Christ,
Mark
 
What a sad way to live. How on earth do you go to work, to the movies, grocery shopping and the mall without having to come face to face with LGBTQ people? Jesus ate with the Pharisees.🤷
How can you tell? Honestly. I’ve said this over and over and no one appears to get it. I worked at a major hospital in the past with LGBT people. Privacy mattered. I did not think for one second what they did on their free time. We got along.

Then - one day - OK. No More Privacy!! We are out and proud and in your face!! Get used to it! You [pick a common disparaging name].

That’s how I go to work, the rare visit to the movie theater, the grocery store, etc. I have no idea if the person next to me is LGBT. None.

Ed
 
What a sad way to live. How on earth do you go to work, to the movies, grocery shopping and the mall without having to come face to face with LGBTQ people? Jesus ate with the Pharisees.🤷
He also called them a brood of vipers
 
Of course the Catholic Church isn’t obsessed with the gay issue.

What you have are a minority population that is itself obsessed (too light a word) with their own gay issue, and they - out of vanity and insecurity - demand unceasingly to be attended to in every venue.

They don’t understand the nature of humans. They don’t understand sexuality. They don’t understand a whole lot. But they don’t also believe in truth…so when they are confronted logic, rationale…they just utterly reject it.
 
What you have are a minority population that is itself obsessed (too light a word) with their own gay issue, and they - out of vanity and insecurity - demand unceasingly to be attended to in every venue.
There are lots of other minority groups besides gay people, too, who have demanded equal treatment under the law. What’s gotten into all of them anyway :rolleyes:
 
Jesus is the incarnation - therefore as God judges so might he - but we are sinners and have no right to throw stones (ie, to Judge others)
 
There are lots of other minority groups besides gay people, too, who have demanded equal treatment under the law. What’s gotten into all of them anyway :rolleyes:
Yes, and those groups have not nearly gotten the respect and treatment they deserve because they are not militant and “in your face” about their treatment. Just to name a couple…those with invisible disabilities like autism, OCD, ADHD, anxiety, bipolar, depression, fibromyalgia. Should I continue?
 
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