Why is voting for Biden a mortal sin?

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Biden supports abortion. Trump does not. How can someone who supports abortion be more prolife than someone who doesn’t?
 
Read the link I posted for the statement the priest made. You may not agree with his reasons, but the priest said it.

That was my point. Priests say all sorts of things, like the rest of us. Better to follow the official guidance of the Church, like Faithful Citizenship, and in its entirety, not just selecting the passages we like best while downplaying the parts we don’t like.
 
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And the official guidance of the Church is that abortion is wrong, as is socialism…and that we have a right to protect our country, ourselves and our families. So how anyone can justify voting Democrat is beyond me. I know priests say all kinds of goofy things. I had a priest tell me that, “Confession was nice but not necessary”. I heard of a priest who said that pedophilia isn’t a sin because they can’t help it but you’ll burn in hell for wearing jeans to Mass. All kinds of crazy stuff. I digress. Thanks for clarifying and please pray for our Church, our country, our families. Lord knows we need it.
 
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I know priests say all kinds of goofy things.
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Yeah, there have been priests quoted here, or videos linked, that directly contradict the Bishop’s guidance and say in so many words that we should use their consciences to vote instead of our own.

Trump loyalists continue to post that people can’t vote for Biden, and people planning to vote for Biden continue to quote Bishops’ guidance that says one can. It’s getting old.
 
And, yet, no one can explain why voting for someone who supports abortion, socialism and all kinds of things that go against Church Teaching is somehow more Catholic than voting for the guy who’s views are more align with the Church. They’ve been programmed to hate Trump and would vote for satan himself to keep Trump out of office. It boggles the mind. They have lost all ability to think, reason, question. It’s like people are more loyal to their political party than they are to Christ Himself. I find that very disheartening.
 
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It boggles the mind. They have lost all ability to think, reason, question. It’s like people are more loyal to their political party than they are to Christ Himself. I find that very disheartening.
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No need to say “they”. You can say me. I’m voting for Biden, in spite of his views on abortion and many other things. My well-formed Catholic conscience, formed over many decades of prayer, reading, and reflection, leads me to view Trump as an existential threat to the American Republic and any President’s affect on overall abortion rates to be minimal.

Some people don’t agree with me. That’s fine. But, I really don’t have to give you a detailed explanation of my thinking. I fear it would be flagged and I wouldn’t be able to participate in these discussions if I did.
 
No, you don’t have to give a detailed explanation to me but someday you will have to give one to Jesus. But you are wrong about 'any President’s affect on overall abortion rates to be minimal". President’s appoint Supreme Court Justices and can appoint pro-life ones. I’m sorry that killing unborn babies isn’t an issue with you. If your vision for America is what’s going on now in Seattle, Portland, Kenosha and other cities, that’s your business. I could never agree with that. No, I don’t expect you to change y our mind because I said that. You have your views, I have mine.
 
I fully agree with this. Given Biden’s obvious mental decline, Harris will easily become president sooner than later–even some dems are saying this. Abortion at will up to full term will quickly become legal and sanctioned if that happens.
I don’t like Trump but there’s no way at all my conscience could allow me to vote for Biden-Harris or belong to a party with the kind of anti-life platform they’ve adopted.
 
lwest said:
No, you don’t have to give a detailed explanation to me but someday you will have to give one to Jesus.
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Not if I vote my well-formed conscience. You don’t get it. If my conscience tells me to vote against Trump and for Biden, I would have to answer why I didn’t follow my conscience and substituted the advice of others.
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But you are wrong about 'any President’s affect on overall abortion rates to be minimal". President’s appoint Supreme Court Justices and can appoint pro-life ones.
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Supremes are notorious for not voting the way they’re expected to. And, there have been “conservative” majorities on the Court in the past 45 and they didn’t overturn Roe, so…
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. I’m sorry that killing unborn babies isn’t an issue with you.
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It is an issue. I am anti-abortion. Your ad hominen assumed that which you don’t know and denigrates your argument.
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If your vision for America is what’s going on now in Seattle, Portland, Kenosha and other cities, that’s your business.
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Wait, you mean what’s going on right now in Donald Trump’s America? That’s a curious argument. If I want that to stop, shouldn’t I vote against Trump?
 
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That settles it. I’m voting for Biden too. And with that, a righteous wave began to swell. A wave that would not be stopped by fear and misinformation. A healing wave to sweep over our divided nation. I can see it. It’s beautiful.
 
If your conscious says that abortion is ok, how well-formed is that? Seems like you’re voting against your conscious if you say you’re anti-abortion. Would you vote for Hitler while saying y ou support Israel? And, let’s see…Donald Trump’s America…you mean the America where mayors and governors refuse his assistance then blame everything on him? He cant’ act carte blanche. Local authorities have to accept his help. And why aren’t riots happening in Republican run cities? And, of course, the only logical thing to do regarding Supreme Court Justices is to elect someone who will appoint ones that support abortion…because that would stop abortion. And excuse me if I think someone who supports someone who supports abortion might just support abortion. Dems have voted against the ‘Born Alive Act’ how many times now? But you are going to help keep them in office…even though you’re against abortion. Because that makes sense. Sorry if I couldn’t follow that line of ‘logic’. I doubt anyone with any intelligence could.
 
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If your conscious says that abortion is ok, how well-formed is that?
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Of course, Paul has said a number of times that abortion is not OK. How does saying something completely false help your argument?
 
christofirst said:
A healing wave to sweep over our divided nation. I can see it. It’s beautiful.
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That’s a nice thought but I highly doubt that will happen.

Realistically, things will continue much as they are now.

You’ll see…
 
Join the wave, brother. It will be beautiful. You’ll see. Trust me.
 
Hey thanks! I learned to make it in Rome and boy is it great–try it over ice cream in the summer 🙂
 
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My stock portfolio and retirement are telling me to stay put.
 
My finances did better under the last administration, the one that got us out of the 2009 recession. Things haven’t been so rosey under the current administration.

But why are we talking about mammon when the righteous healing wave is beckoning?
 
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Another thread on this? Hmmm…
Well, let’s see…Biden supports and encourages the LGBT community in its errors, is in support of abortion up until birth and debatably shortly thereafter, has supported the recent wars of this country which were arguably not conducted justly, is embroiled in corruption with Biden Jr., was complicit in spying on an incoming candidate for the presidency with Obama…not a good track record so far.
I guess he claims he’ll help the environment and has recently been talking big talk about race relations. Obama also talked a lot about race relations, and he worsened it while Biden was VP…not a good sign in that direction.
I’m genuinely curious, what are the proportionate reasons to disregard his public support for serious sins? He was also refused communion when he presented himself…historically not a good sign of a man’s moral character.
 
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