Why Isa (Jesus) is called Isa AS in Islam?

[gurrato_alaien]

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YUSUFALI: Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger’s duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.
PICKTHAL: Obey Allah and obey the messenger, and beware! But if ye turn away, then know that the duty of Our messenger is only plain conveyance (of the message).
SHAKIR: And obey Allah and obey the messenger and be cautious; but if you turn back, then know that only a clear deliverance of the message is (incumbent) on Our messenger.

peace.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

r.gonzales:

i have to concer with raceland and gurrato, deExupery, the “translations” you gave are horrible. i suggest you refrain from speaking about a language you obviously don’t know anything about.

maybe you should refrain from speaking english… concur is the correct way it’s spelled.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Faith101
Our lives belong to God alone. There is no other but GOD who raises the dead and life giver. Period. Is that hard to understand?

 

[DeExupery]

Ok, Thanks Guratto,

Now let us check. I only use one translation.

About the sinless nature of Jesus

Surah 19:19
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

So Indeed Jesus is Holy. It raises a question about why, as a prophet, God needs to make a sinless prophet, different than any other prophet. From God directly and doesn’t come from parents.
Any thought of WHY?

About the knowledge of the Last Hour
Surah 43:61
And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.

Jesus is the sign (know) about the Hour (means the End of Days, am I correct?)

Surah 31:34
Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things)

So it’s only God who knows about the Hour. Yet Jesus is the sign and have the knowledge of the hour. Why not the other prophet? It must be something about this man!!

Dear Guratto,
Thanks for helping me…I will continue again …

Fox

 

[r.gonzales]

DeExupery:

Are you afraid I can surpass you in Arabic that you refrain me to use this language? Or afraid I might be able to write better than Quran?

quite the comedian i see…

let’s take a look at your proficiency in arabic, shall we?

“Qaala innamaa ana rasuulu rabbika il ahaba laka ghulaama zakiaa”

“(jibril) said, “I am only the messenger of your God to give you a holy child” (Surah 19:19)… The Arabic word for “holy” is zakiyya, showing that Isa Al-Masih is sinless.

here’s the verse in it’s original arabic: قَالَ إِنَّمَا أَنَا رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَامًا زَكِيًّا

the proper translation of which is: he (i.e., jibreel) said, “i am only your Lord’s messenger in order to present to you a pure boy.”

zakiyy زكيّ in the arabic language does not mean holy, it means pure, chaste, guiltless, blameless and sinless. this is your first error.
rabb ربّ in the arabic language does not translate to “God” either. it means lord, master, owner, proprietor.

as for jesus’ being zakiyy, it is not a proof for his divinity, as all of the prophets and messengers were considered as such.

DeExupery:

In fact Isa told us about the Judgement Day (Az Zukhruf:61), while in (QS Luqman:34) very clearly stated that only GOD knows the Judgement day. Please read below.

“In fact Allah, only in His the knowledge about “Kiamat”; and only He that makes the rain to fall, and know what is inside of the wombs (of a pregnant woman). And nobody knows exactly what is the result of his effort tomorrow. And noone know in what part of earth he will die. Verily Allah is all knowing and all knowledable”. (QS Luqman:34). If this verse is compared to the Az Zukhruf 61 above, it supports that Isa is God’s Spirit himself.

why is not the verse from az-zukhruf quoted? rather deceptive…

let’s take a look at the verse and see if jesus told us about judgement day… Allah says, “and surely, he is certainly a known sign for the hour. so do not doubt in it, and follow [Me] this is a straight path.”

where does it say jesus knows when the day of judgement is???

“No Imam Mahdi except Isa, the son of Maria)”
“Laa mahdia illa isabnu Maryama.”( Hadits Ibnu Maja)

firstly, the hadeeth quoted is clipped. it’s hadeeth #4039 in sunan ibn maajah and is graded “very weak/da’eef jiddan” and “rejected/munkar” by the scholars of hadeeth. thus, it cannot be used as proof as anything. this is just one of the references you can check that explains why the hadeeth is inacceptable: tawhed.ws/r?i=653

DeExupery:

Almost all of moslems know that the one who kills Dajjal is Isa Almasih. Dajjal is the term for Devil
Because of that, we need to ask why Isa Almasih hold the important role? which in Quran, is called prophet, Imam, and Rosul, namely Isa Almasih? (ISA means savior): ” and Almasih means King, jadi King Savior” (human savior).

another display of ignorance regarding the arabic language dajjaal does not mean devil. it means swindler, cheat, imposter, charlatan, which is why the term “al-maseeh ad-dajjaal” refers to the anti-christ - or the imposter messiah.

as for the word maseeh مسيح, it means annointed, wiped, clean and smooth. it does not mean king or king savior. as for ‘eesaa عيسى, it doesn’t carry any other meaning in arabic other than jesus’ name. savior in arabic is munajj منج, which comes from the root najaa نجا, which means to save or bring to salvation.

 

[r.gonzales]

DeExupery:

So only in Prophet Isa come the salvation, according to His Title, AS = Alaihi Salam, which means the salvation from God. In fact Prophet Isa is the true way.

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If you also see the title all of prophets from Prophet Adam, before Prophet Isa they have title RA = Rodiyauloh Anhu means ‘May God accept them.’ and for Prophet Muhammad, the title is SAW = Sollaulohu Alaihi Wassalam means 'May God gives salvation to him.
If you notice the title for Prophet Isa, it is very different than others, AS =Alaihi Salam means the “Salvation from God”. Which means that Prophet Isa is the source of salvation. The salvation giver. We need to see that no prophet including Prophet Muhammad SAW, which can give guarantee of salvation to men, only Prophet Isa.

this is probably the funniest part of your post. f.y.i. “AS” is not a title, it’s an abbreviation of a supplication that is usually utterred after mentioning the name of any prophet or angel. it stands for 'alaihi as-salaam, which literally translates to “upon him be the peace”. as mentioned above, the arabic verb to save is najaa, and salvation is najaah نجاة.

as for the supplication “radiyallahu 'anhu” which means, “may Allah be pleased with him”, it is uttered after mentioning the names of prophet muhammad’s companions, not after mentioning the names of other prophets.

as for your continual mention of roohullah (Allah’s spirit/soul) and kalimatullah (Allah’s word), if you would do any research, you’d see that the soul/spirit is a created entity according to islamic beliefs, and as Allah is not a created being, this term and phrase is taken to in the possessive, similar to Allah’s book, Allah’s angels, Allah’s messenger. as for Allah’s word, any research into the books of exegesis would show you that it refers to Allah’s command, “be” as He commanded “be” and it was.

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Rasheed,

quite the comedian i see…

And why you suddenly become alarmed?

let’s take a look at your proficiency in arabic, shall we?

Seem that Ignorance is not all mine:

Here is an article from Mehdi Jibab:
diskusi.forumsplace.com/mess…9ea76604bd0aee7

And I am translating it into English for you to read.

the proper translation of which is: he (i.e., jibreel) said, “i am only your Lord’s messenger in order to present to you a pure boy.”

It can be Holy(Yusuf Ali), Flawless (Picktal), and Pure (Shakir). We need to be thankful to Guratto for helping me much with the verses.

let’s take a look at the verse and see if jesus told us about judgement day… Allah says, “and surely, he is certainly a known sign for the hour. so do not doubt in it, and follow [Me] this is a straight path.”

Hmm… Why you insert the translation Me? It could be follow Jesus. Sometimes the translation of Quran really full of bracketed words, that sometimes make the meaning very different.

firstly, the hadeeth quoted is clipped. it’s hadeeth #4039 in sunan ibn maajah and is graded “very weak/da’eef jiddan” and “rejected/munkar” by the scholars of hadeeth. thus, it cannot be used as proof as anything. this is just one of the references you can check that explains why the hadeeth is inacceptable:

Oh, really? So Islamic Scholar can decide what hadeeths to follow or not. Even choose which part of saheeh hadeeths are correct and which part are not. Quite choosy, I believe.

another display of ignorance regarding the arabic language dajjaal does not mean devil. it means swindler, cheat, imposter, charlatan, which is why the term “al-maseeh ad-dajjaal” refers to the anti-christ - or the imposter messiah.

To me this sounds like the last battle between good and evil.

as for the word maseeh مسيح, it means annointed, wiped, clean and smooth. it does not mean king or king savior. as for ‘eesaa عيسى, it doesn’t carry any other meaning in arabic other than jesus’ name. savior in arabic is munajj منج, which comes from the root najaa نجا, which means to save or bring to salvation.

Hmm…I will check this one and will find another source.

Continued…

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Rasheed,

as for jesus’ being zakiyy, it is not a proof for his divinity, as all of the prophets and messengers were considered as such

Is this truly from Quran? If you find the verses, do you want to share with us?

Fox

 

[r.gonzales]

DeExupery:

And why you suddenly become alarmed?

not alarmed at all. amused perhaps, alarmed, no.

DeExupery:

Seem that Ignorance is not all mine:

Here is an article from Mehdi Jibab:
diskusi.forumsplace.com/mess…9ea76604bd0aee7

sorry, link doesn’t work. but i assume it’s a link to some article written in whatever language you speak, which isn’t english or arabic. in any case, it just highlights the problem with translating from a translation of the original, instead of translating from the original itself.

DeExupery:

It can be Holy(Yusuf Ali), Flawless (Picktal), and Pure (Shakir). We need to be thankful to Guratto for helping me much with the verses.

yusuf ali’s translation of the word zakiyy is wrong. picthall and shakir are correct. the word zakiyy comes from the root zakaa, which means to purify.

DeExupery:

Hmm… Why you insert the translation Me? It could be follow Jesus. Sometimes the translation of Quran really full of bracketed words, that sometimes make the meaning very different.

the insertion is to aid in the understanding of the verse. it is Allah speaking, not jesus as is clear from the verses before it, in which Allah says, “surely, he (jesus) is but a servant who We have blessed and We made him an example for the children of israel. and if We willed, certainly, We would have made angels in the earth succeeding from you. and he is certainly a known sign for the hour, so do not doubt in it (i.e., the hour) and follow, this is a straight path.” (43:59-61)

it’s quite amusing how the author of whatever you translated quoted this verse (43:61) trying to prove jesus’ divinity, when just two verses before it, there is a verse that explicity denies jesus’ divinity, and states that he was only one of Allah’s servants.

DeExupery:

Oh, really? So Islamic Scholar can decide what hadeeths to follow or not. Even choose which part of saheeh hadeeths are correct and which part are not. Quite choosy, I believe.

try reading about the sciences of hadeeth. you can start here: usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/

DeExupery:

Hmm…I will check this one and will find another source.

you do that .

as for the prophets being zakiyy, it is islamic belief that all the prophets and messengers were infallible and perfect, and that although some of them may have erred here and there, those errors were immediately corrected through revelation and repentance. all of the prophets and messengers had their sins forgiven, thus making each one of them zakiyy (pure, flawless, sinless, guiltless, blameless).

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Rasheed,

as for the prophets being zakiyy, it is islamic belief that all the prophets and messengers were infallible and perfect, and that although some of them may have erred here and there, those errors were immediately corrected through revelation and repentance. all of the prophets and messengers had their sins forgiven, thus making each one of them zakiyy (pure, flawless, sinless, guiltless, blameless).

Quranic source please.

Fox

 

[r.gonzales]

DeExupery:

Quranic source please.

Quranic verses are not the only source of islamic beliefs.

with that said, however, throughout the Quran, you’ll find mention of various prophets and certain errors they fell into, such as moses accidentally killing an egyptian man, adam and eve disobeying Allah’s command to not eat from the tree and others. each of these accounts mention that Allah guided them to repentance and accepted it from them.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

r.gonzales:

Quranic verses are not the only source of islamic beliefs.

In other word you cannot provide it because it is not Quranical. Is that so?

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Rasheed,

with that said, however, throughout the Quran, you’ll find mention of various prophets and certain errors they fell into, such as moses accidentally killing an egyptian man, adam and eve disobeying Allah’s command to not eat from the tree and others. each of these accounts mention that Allah guided them to repentance and accepted it from them.

I can’t help but agreeing with Cyber. Every Islamic Believe should be in accordance with Quran. Even Hadiths contradicting Quran are not sahih.
So why only Isa was mentioned to be pure/sinless? I think it’s a very interesting mystery. And remember…we will discuss about this. Isa in Quran and Hadiths…how interesting.

Fox

 

[DeExupery]

Dear All,

Since there’s no Quranic reference that other propehts are sinless, so here I conclude that Quranic only supports that Isa is the only Prophet which is Sinless.

Now let us move to another topic. Isa is called Al Maseh (the messiah, the savior). It is very interesting. Why? Why is he called Al Maseh? Why he was born sinless?

As long as I know, in Quran, there are only two people on earth who were created miraculously.

1. Adam AS → He wasn’t born from ‘normal’ biological process.
2. Isa AS. —> He wasn’t born from ‘normal’ biological process.

Suddenly it’s more and more interesting. Why, considering there were a lot of prophets before Isa AS, and a Prophet after him (based on Quran), only Isa was born uniquely?
THERE MUST BE SOMETHING…

– To be continued…

Please, brother and sister moslems, if I write something wrong, correct me. I am not flawless.

Fox

 

[Faith101]

As long as I know, in Quran, there are only two people on earth who were created miraculously.

1. Adam AS → He wasn’t born from ‘normal’ biological process.

1. Isa AS. —> He wasn’t born from ‘normal’ biological process.

Thats not true. There is the story of Zachariya having a child after him and his wife reached very old age. Read the begining of the chapter of the Quran entitled Mary ( ch 19). Also, Eve birth was also not normal…and there are others i’ll try to fidn the exact names later inshAllah.

Allah tells us clearly in the Quran, all Allah has to do is say BE and it is. If Allah wanted a human to come out of a frog, He could do it…and that human wouldnt be any more divine then the frog is.

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Faith,

Thats not true. There is the story of Zachariya having a child after him and his wife reached very old age. Read the begining of the chapter of the Quran entitled Mary ( ch 19). Also, Eve birth was also not normal…and there are others i’ll try to fidn the exact names later inshAllah

Zacharia and wife had their baby after his wife reached very old age. Did they do things as husbands and wives do? Yes. So this is a normal biological process. I mean normal biological process is the copulation between men and women.
Adam doesn’t come from that process.
Isa doesn’t come from that process (please remember, Maryam was still a virgin when she was pregnant).

So unless you can show me there are more prophets who were born without the normal process.
I agree that Eve is not also normal. But do you mean that Eve was a prophet according to Islam? I am talking about Prophets.
But thanks for your kindness to read and comment, Faith. I would love us to grow together in this discussion.

Fox

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Faith,

Allah tells us clearly in the Quran, all Allah has to do is say BE and it is. If Allah wanted a human to come out of a frog, He could do it…and that human wouldnt be any more divine then the frog is.

The divinity and sinless nature of Isa was mentioned in Quran. Or you want to reject it? We are talking about Isa in Quran.
And by the way, Allah didn’t make any man from frog, did he? Or is there any part in Quran telling us so? All I know that Quran mentioned of some Jews who was turned into apes.

Fox

 

[Faith101]

DeExupery:

Dear Faith,

Zacharia and wife had their baby after his wife reached very old age. Did they do things as husbands and wives do? Yes. So this is a normal biological process. I mean normal biological process is the copulation between men and women.

Normal biological processes is that a sperm comes into contact with an egg. If there is no egg, such as in a state of an old woman…than conception is really a miracle. Nowadays, a woman who has never had sex *can * give birth. Its called artificial insemination. So really the miracle is not that a woman didnt have sex, its that there is no sperm or egg available…which is the case in **both ** scenarios.

So unless you can show me there are more prophets who were born without the normal process.
I agree that Eve is not also normal. But do you mean that Eve was a prophet according to Islam? I am talking about Prophets.
But thanks for your kindness to read and comment, Faith. I would love us to grow together in this discussion.

What does a miraculous birth have to do with prophethood? Every single prophet had their miracles…if we were to base divinity on this, we would be worshipping everybody.

 

[Faith101]

The divinity and sinless nature of Isa was mentioned in Quran

Divinity?? The Quran mentions Jesus’ lack of divinity, which he will attest to on the day of judgment

 

[r.gonzales]

DeExupery:

Isa is called Al Maseh (the messiah, the savior).

the word “messiah” does not mean “savior”, it means “annointed” just as the greek word “khristos” as well as the arabic word “maseeh” mean “annointed”.

want proof: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ