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zeeshan_2011
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thank you dear
i like your view
asam bin ladin not a real muslim.
i like your view
asam bin ladin not a real muslim.
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qwerk
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Which part did bin Laden not follow?
Jihad in Sharia laws (o9) says on the first line, ‘Jihad means to war against non-Muslims,…’
And if bin Laden is doing wrong why don’t Muslims go after him instead of sheltering him? Or change those laws and Koran since the Quran is quoted in the book of Sharia laws? Here are three lines in the book of Sharia laws that quote the Quran:
(1) Fighting is prescribed for you" 2:216
(2) “Slay them wherever you find them.” 4:89
(3) “Fight the idolators utterly” 9:36
My question is then, since it is obvious you are saying that the Quran and Sharia laws are not correct, why do Muslims keep telling us it is from Allah? Allah wouldn’t make such mistakes would he?
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Mosacked
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Qwerk,
Looking at it, it is an instruction to a people to lie low and keep quiet (truce) when they are outnumbered. Force others to submit when they are in the majority and attack and slaughter those who desist.
To sum it up and put it bluntly the above are instructions on how to INFEST the world.
You see, this is also why islam is always lurking around the corner and no government would take action against them when they are in the minority and waiting for a chance to strike because they would be in their ‘truce’ mode. Once they are in sufficient numbers, you have to get ready for chaos. I believe the world has already learnt this the hard way several times.
Problem is, will they remember???
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qwerk
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No, they are not remembering because it is happening now in our lands. All I got to say is do some research into the Muslim Brotherhood. In Europe, the plotting is outined in docs called ‘The Project’ and here is a link to one of a couple of docs. The Project,
The Project,part2
And in the USA, the FBI’s unclassified doc’s link is here. Terror is not their only strategy.
There are many front groups in our country that were started way back in the 1960s that were spawned from the FBI’s docs such as the Muslim Student Association. Then if you read that doc (the first part is in Arabic and the 2nd part is the English translation) you will see how the religous aspect of it all gets embedded into the political part of it, but also the goal to get other organizations. Just beware - it isn’t that easy to read. Not as hard as the Quran, but it has a tendency to ramble.
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Mosacked
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Qwerk, thanks for the information.
The world has yet to realise that they are poised against a religion in a potential major conflict / armageddon. And its not just the terrorists that they have to deal with because this thing has already ballooned out of their hands since the world has quite bluntly been sleeping on its butt the last century over the insiduous growth of islam.
Personally, I think this is all predestined. The world has to come to an end, this is prophesy. There’s no stopping islam now until Aramageddon.
The bible identified 4 enemies.
The way of an eagle in the air, The way of a serpent on a rock, The way of a ship in the midst of the sea, And the way of a man with a virgin.
There has been interpretations, that these 4 indicate a concerted effort to bring down the people of God either by way of corruption, subversion, aggression or deceit. Who are these 4 ? Some say the eagle is america going into ‘peace’ with the arab muslims, the serpent on the rock is are the catholics shaking hands with the anti-christ, the ship in the sea are opportunists & ‘investors’ who are only after their own interests and defend not the right of truth and the man with a virgin is islam’s pedophilic founder interested only in deceiving the world into eternal damnation.
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zeeshan_2011
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because its a beautiful religions. Islam means peace. its related with the peace of the world.
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dzheremi
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Nope. Salaam means peace. Islam means submission. They come from the same triliteral root, but that’s it.
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jakasaki
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**As poster dzheremi wrote:
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As a muslim, you should know what islam means and it does not mean “peace”
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islamicity.com/Mosque/uiatm/un_islam.htm
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dzheremi
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It is not even correct to say it “derives from a word meaning peace”, though. I can understand why IslamCity would want to represent it as such, but that is not really how Semitic languages work. In Arabic (as in Amharic, Tigrinya, Assyrian, Soqotri, etc.), words are organized around “root” consonants (generally three, hence “triliteral root”) that denote general concepts, not words. The actual meaning of any given word is “filled in” by the surrounding vowels (long or short), as well as any prefixes or suffixes that indicate person, number, agentivity, gender, etc.
Probably the easiest example is a root like K-T-B, which denotes “writing”. From that root we can get derivations such as:
kitaab ‘book’, kutub ‘books’, mekteb ‘office’, mekteba ‘library’, kaatib ‘author/writer’, kutib ‘brochure’, etc.
As you can see, the K-T-B root is visible in all, but it isn’t really appropriate to say that any one form is “derived” from another in the absence of non-polemical evidence (e.g., not from some place called “Islam City”, which I’m guessing is filled with more missionaries than linguists), because that’s not the way that the words relate to each other. “Islam” and “salaam” both come from S-L-M root in the same way that “office” and “writer” both come from the K-T-B root. It’s not at all like how we can say an English word like “unhappy” derives from “happy”, to borrow an example from this Wikipedia page which explains what linguistic derivation is.
There are plenty of examples of words where Arabic does work like that, as with agentive prefix “mu-” (in MSA) that makes a noun out of a verb, e.g. mutarjem ‘translator’ from mu- (agentive) + tarjem ‘translate’ (compare with English ‘runner’ from ‘run’ + -er agentive suffix), but that is not how the triliteral root system of word formation works.
Probably the easiest example is a root like K-T-B, which denotes “writing”. From that root we can get derivations such as:
kitaab ‘book’, kutub ‘books’, mekteb ‘office’, mekteba ‘library’, kaatib ‘author/writer’, kutib ‘brochure’, etc.
As you can see, the K-T-B root is visible in all, but it isn’t really appropriate to say that any one form is “derived” from another in the absence of non-polemical evidence (e.g., not from some place called “Islam City”, which I’m guessing is filled with more missionaries than linguists), because that’s not the way that the words relate to each other. “Islam” and “salaam” both come from S-L-M root in the same way that “office” and “writer” both come from the K-T-B root. It’s not at all like how we can say an English word like “unhappy” derives from “happy”, to borrow an example from this Wikipedia page which explains what linguistic derivation is.
There are plenty of examples of words where Arabic does work like that, as with agentive prefix “mu-” (in MSA) that makes a noun out of a verb, e.g. mutarjem ‘translator’ from mu- (agentive) + tarjem ‘translate’ (compare with English ‘runner’ from ‘run’ + -er agentive suffix), but that is not how the triliteral root system of word formation works.
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jakasaki
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Who am I to debate a linguistics expert??? No one!!!It is not even correct to say it “derives from a word meaning peace”, though. I can understand why IslamCity would want to represent it as such, but that is not really how Semitic languages work. In Arabic (as in Amharic, Tigrinya, Assyrian, Soqotri, etc.), words are organized around “root” consonants (generally three, hence “triliteral root”) that denote general concepts, not words. The actual meaning of any given word is “filled in” by the surrounding vowels (long or short), as well as any prefixes or suffixes that indicate person, number, agentivity, gender, etc.
Probably the easiest example is a root like K-T-B, which denotes “writing”. From that root we can get derivations such as:
kitaab ‘book’, kutub ‘books’, mekteb ‘office’, mekteba ‘library’, kaatib ‘author/writer’, kutib ‘brochure’, etc.
As you can see, the K-T-B root is visible in all, but it isn’t really appropriate to say that any one form is “derived” from another in the absence of non-polemical evidence (e.g., not from some place called “Islam City”, which I’m guessing is filled with more missionaries than linguists), because that’s not the way that the words relate to each other. “Islam” and “salaam” both come from S-L-M root in the same way that “office” and “writer” both come from the K-T-B root. It’s not at all like how we can say an English word like “unhappy” derives from “happy”, to borrow an example from this Wikipedia page which explains what linguistic derivation is.
There are plenty of examples of words where Arabic does work like that, as with agentive prefix “mu-” (in MSA) that makes a noun out of a verb, e.g. mutarjem ‘translator’ from mu- (agentive) + tarjem ‘translate’ (compare with English ‘runner’ from ‘run’ + -er agentive suffix), but that is not how the triliteral root system of word formation works.
Be well my dear friend.
All I know is that islam does not mean “peace”.
Thanks!
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dzheremi
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Haha. I would hardly call myself an expert, but I am happy to dispel the wrong-headed notions of Islamic proselytizers who think that they can pull one over on people and make flat-out wrong arguments as though Arabic does not behave like any other language (cos it’s magical, don’tchaknow? “God” chose to speak it in his most favorite of his three books), because the acceptance of such depends on people not knowing anything about Arabic, Semitic languages, etc.
Besides, the things they claim aren’t nearly as interesting as the way that things actually work. What I gave there is the Arabic 101 outline because that’s all I’m really qualified to do anyway (I only got through 103, myself), but if it stops one more person from claiming that salaam means “peace”, I’ll be happy.
Besides, the things they claim aren’t nearly as interesting as the way that things actually work. What I gave there is the Arabic 101 outline because that’s all I’m really qualified to do anyway (I only got through 103, myself), but if it stops one more person from claiming that salaam means “peace”, I’ll be happy.
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dzheremi
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Hahaha. And of course I meant “if it stops one more person from claiming ISLAM means ‘peace’, I’ll be happy.” Sorry. My mind is miles and miles away today. 
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jakasaki
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:hug3:Hahaha. And of course I meant “if it stops one more person from claiming ISLAM means ‘peace’, I’ll be happy.” Sorry. My mind is miles and miles away today.
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planten
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A lot is being said about Islam does not mean “Peace”. Peace is there in Islam. islam means a religion of Peace.Hahaha. And of course I meant “if it stops one more person from claiming ISLAM means ‘peace’, I’ll be happy.” Sorry. My mind is miles and miles away today.
Salaam is similar word which means Peace. “Salaam un Alaikum” means peace be on all of you. That means peace from the person who is offering that solutation and Peace from God almighty too.
In Quran, Allah has described Jesus as saying “There is peace on me the day I was born, and they day I die and the day I am raised to life again.” Ch. 19 Verse 33.
Islam means submission. But Peace is there in that submission. There is the submission to the will of Allah with peace of mind. It is not a submission with arrogance.
I hope that is enough for our Islam. At least it is not a racial or family religion, named after any place or person, like Christianity after christ.
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Mosacked
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If allah grants you peace, it wouldn’t be instructing you to slaughter infidels and wage wars against the un-believers, or threaten you with death if you dare to depart from it.
That’s NOT a kind of peace. And if I may put it bluntly, that’s really just piiss.
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dzheremi
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No. “Religion of peace” would be “din as-salaam” (دين السلام)
Please tell me that you, a Muslim, have had more training in Arabic than I have. I would be concerned if it were otherwise, but it is far more likely that you are just lying again just like the last time you tried to say that “Islam” means whatever it is you want it to mean.
Okay. Again, they share a triliteral root, but so what?
Ooo, that’s it! Ya got us there, buddy. Nevermind that “Christian” was originally applied to the followers of Christ by non-believers, not by the followers themselves (and nearly all the literature I have read on this topic says that it was meant as an insult).
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Mosacked
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You’re not going to get anywhere trying to bring planten and the debate onto an intellectual level.
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dzheremi
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You’re probably right, but I still feel some sense of responsibility not to let him just put out bad, easily correctable information out there unchallenged.
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planten
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Islam is a technical wrd and need not be translated by the help of dictionary. It is a technical word like “Salaat” and “Zakaat”. Peace and submission and religion is included in it. Islam is a deen (way of life). We need not say Deen e Islam because that would be repeating something which is already understood in the meaning of Islam.
I did not want to hurt you by pointing out the name of your religion. Thanks for telling me that Christian was originally given by the enemies or opponents of the followers of Jesus. That may be so.
But then we have to look for another name, the name you gave to your religion. If christianity was the name given by others then what nmae you chose for your religion.??
Be thankful to Islam please. Our religion did not give you that bad name Christian. Islam calls your people Nasaaraa (The halpers of Jesus in the way of Allah). They were the helpers of Jesus for whatever he was doing in the name of his father (God).
That name seems to be quite beautiful (Nasaaraa).
Let us leave this name calling or too much research into the actual meaning of things and believe that the mission of Abraham and his children, Moses and David and Soloman and John the baptist and Jesus and Muhammad was “Peace”. We Muslims believe that the religion which God gave was Islam from the very beginning. That was given to Adam as the first man who reveived words from God.
So every prophet (messenger of God) was a Muslim with their own blend of teachings. Wassalam.
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dzheremi
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I did not use a dictionary, Planten. I passed Arabic 101.
Wow. “Salaat” and “Zakaat” are so technical, huh? You probably can’t find such technical words with a five second search for Wiktionary, huh? Oh, wait…
Anyway, who cares. My only point is that Arabic- while incredibly beautiful, rich, and interesting- is not some sort of amazing super-portal to God or whatever, and it really does behave just like any other language of the world. You don’t need to make up folk etymologies for every little thing that tie into your Islamic supremacist worldview, and even if you feel the need to do that to try to spread your religion, you are barking up the wrong tree for that here anyway. So don’t say things that are demonstrably false with five seconds of research. Do the research yourself and bring actual facts to the table!
No harm done. You did not hurt my feelings.
“Christianity” suits me just fine. I am a Christian, and happy to be so called. What I wrote is what some scholars say it original meant, with backing from various events in the Bible. It is certainly not applied pejoratively today outside of some very specific contexts (by hardline anti-Christ Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, etc).
From what Christians I know from Iraq and Lebanon have told me, this term can be very negative depending on the context (it isn’t always, but it makes some people uncomfortable due to the history of Islamic usage). I have never heard any Arab Christian use it to define himself or herself (I usually have heard and read “Masihi”, and that is the word I have used when Arabs have asked me about my religion).
“Too much research into the meaning of things”…? What were we talking about, then?
No, thank you.
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