Why Isn't Everyone Catholic?

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Everyone always says Catholics are such poor evangelists, but are they really?
I say they are in two respects:
  1. Courage. Certain Protestants groups are far more courageous about evangelization. It’s true that the older Protestant groups have run out of steam but there always seems to be something new in the Protestant world that keeps them going. I don’t have the figures handy but its not my impression that Protestantism is, overall, waning in numbers or share of the Christian world.
  2. Potential. I was totally serious in my OP when I said that truth should be an advantage for Catholics. Catholic dogma is very well thought out. Reasonable people might disagree, I hesitate to accuse Protestants of believing in bad faith, but on those occassions when the best Catholics debate the best Protestants, the Catholics wipe the floor with the Protestants.
I don’t want to dismiss the value of large families, it’s certainly a symptom of vitality. But there is no reason that Catholics should content themselves with this particularly when they are not the only ones with large families. (Mormons and Orthodox Jews come to mind here and probably also conservative Protestants, i.e. those opposed to abortion.)
 
  1. Because many people’s culture never even heard of Jesus until later on after him, and they choose to stick with what their people have stuck with for centuries before. Some people who are Christians choose to identify themselves as Christians before Catholics, and choose to stick to the bible, since it is the source they see as only true, and they do not see the proof for the Pope, or Priests power. Some people also do not like that the RCC has had many bad things done by it in history, and choose to not let that become a part of their history. Some might also, just flat out hate the RCC and its teachings (I am not one of them, I have my reasons, but you can call me one if ya like 😉 )
  2. I didn’t know they were. I mean I had read on a lot of catholic websites about how they wanted to grow by using evangelism like many baptists/methodists and others do, but it said they were having problems with it, but I doubt its a major issue. I doubt anyone can match the JW’s in spreading faith though, since they are very known for door-to-door.
Well, who is to say they are in possesion of the truth? Really, it depends on the person’s opinoin, not facts. You can take a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. I personally do not believe the RCC is the true church, that is my opinoin. If you believe it is, that is yours. My belief is to let everyone have a opinoin and not try to force them into changing it, cause then they should have a right to make you stop forcing people into a opinoin they do not desire.
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“Well, who is to say they are in possesion of the truth? Really, it depends on the person’s opinoin, not facts.”

While I can sympathise with some of the sentiment in your post there are enough misconceptions about our Faith to choke a pony or at least fodder for a dozen threads.

I am more concerned with your rather cavalier treatment of the Truth.Christ is NOT an opinion,He is,as He described Himself "The Way,The Truth,and The Life.There is nothing relative about that statement,it is FACT.

I could have the opinion that the moon is made of limburger.I would also be wrong.🙂
 
Spot on;) .If you believe all this,why are you LCMS.And I apologise for my ignorance but what do the letters stand for? 🙂
LCMS = Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod. Some of what I said applies to conservative Lutherans too. And I am leaning Catholic.
I say they are in two respects:
  1. Courage. Certain Protestants groups are far more courageous about evangelization. It’s true that the older Protestant groups have run out of steam but there always seems to be something new in the Protestant world that keeps them going. I don’t have the figures handy but its not my impression that Protestantism is, overall, waning in numbers or share of the Christian world.
  2. Potential. I was totally serious in my OP when I said that truth should be an advantage for Catholics. Catholic dogma is very well thought out. Reasonable people might disagree, I hesitate to accuse Protestants of believing in bad faith, but on those occassions when the best Catholics debate the best Protestants, the Catholics wipe the floor with the Protestants.
I don’t want to dismiss the value of large families, it’s certainly a symptom of vitality. But there is no reason that Catholics should content themselves with this particularly when they are not the only ones with large families. (Mormons and Orthodox Jews come to mind here and probably also conservative Protestants, i.e. those opposed to abortion.)
Catholics should not be content if they can do more, but just as it is with Muslims, Jews, and Protestants, at some point a family really takes up most of one’s time. You’re definitely right about courage and potential.
 
Or perhaps it’s truer to say that your experience is not typical.

Of course, the notion that children can be raised “baptist/methodist” rather proves my point, right? No such denomination exists according to my research.

Which begs the question—why weren’t they all Baptists?
Southern Baptist Convention, look it up sir.

How does it beg that question? 🤷

Well, that is based on two parts, about erhm, 79% of the family is Baptist, 20% Methodist, 1% me

Why? Well, I do believe its cause of the regions. Our families migrated to the south pre-civil war, but part of them stayed with them up their, we raised cotton on slave plantations in Virginia, Tennessee, and Georgia; they raised cows on small farms in Indiana. Then later on, hundred years maybe, the Northern part of the family decided to “secede” from the major part of the family since they faced a lot of **** from us for being yanks (yes I call anyone from the North that) so they changed denominations, and I do believe to this day, thats why they always stare at me, like I am some kind of outsider or something, when I try to talk to my cousins who are from there. That is why, I do not really care about anyone’s denomination, I care about their beliefs, but really, it doesn’t matter if your ok, then your ok.

Sorry about spamming family history, but ehrm, I hope I answered it lol
 
I say they are in two respects:
  1. Courage. Certain Protestants groups are far more courageous about evangelization. It’s true that the older Protestant groups have run out of steam but there always seems to be something new in the Protestant world that keeps them going. I don’t have the figures handy but its not my impression that Protestantism is, overall, waning in numbers or share of the Christian world.
Evangelicals and so forth do seem to have more confidence or vehemence, and this, like that of Muslims, wins them attention and confidence in return. However, it seems to be founded on conviction in essentially their own righteousness. Most Catholic evangelists I know are calmer, quieter. Catholics can be quite confident and vehement in their arguments, but there is a difference. How many Catholics have the televangelist’s flair, the fire-and-brimstone intensity of other preachers, the publicity and showmanship of many more? These things catch the attention of many, but they are no substitute for truth.
  1. Potential. I was totally serious in my OP when I said that truth should be an advantage for Catholics. Catholic dogma is very well thought out. Reasonable people might disagree, I hesitate to accuse Protestants of believing in bad faith, but on those occassions when the best Catholics debate the best Protestants, the Catholics wipe the floor with the Protestants.
Again, I think a lot has to do with flair and publicity. We have short attention span cultures, and non-Catholics cater to that. Catholic catechesis requires more attention and thought, and challenges people. People don’t like that. I do think Catholics need to figure out evangelization better, since right now we try more catechization than evangelization–evangelization by persuasion of truth, if you will, rather than by inspiration of truth. I do think inspiration happens mostly through living out the Gospel and in the case of Catholics tends to be a lot more genuine and deep than a lot of Pentecostal conversions.

There is more going on, though. As has been pointed out, many lies and misconceptions have been spread about the Church. Satan has had 2000 years to practice at opposing it, and in recent generations he seems to have a tighter grasp on the hearts and minds of many people in our Western cultures than he has before. This can be seen in our cultures of death, atheistic scientism, and moral relativism. The devil opposes the Catholic Church with all he has, and one of the ways he does that is by encouraging the spread of falsehoods and divisions–which may well include encouraging the spread of many of these ever-fragmenting sects of “Christianity.” It may well not be the work of God that has those sects spreading.

Further, authentic Christianity as taught in Catholicism is hard. People don’t like things that are hard, that challenge their previous beliefs, or that challenge their behavior. Our sex-filled, materialistic, narcissistic me-first culture can’t abide authentic Christianity, and so Catholicism faces a harder battle than those sects that are more accepting of the culture, that are much less counter-cultural.

So I don’t think it’s any wonder that Catholicism has difficulty in evangelization. What is a wonder is that we’re still growing and holding to so many, and that is attributable to the Truth and the Spirit.
 
Everyone always says Catholics are such poor evangelists, but are they really?
  1. Other denominations aren’t good evangelists if they’re spreading errors.
  2. Many Catholics understand they must not only run their race, but they are also responsible for their descendants. Other denominations are more likely to feel responsible only for themselves and don’t mind burning out.
  3. Catholic evangelists might do more secret work. Other denominations can be showy.
  4. Yes, Catholics have more children and rightly see that as evangelism.
  5. Finally, there are many zealous Catholic evangelists. Lately I meet them roughly often as I meet anyone of any denomination - but usually through friends and family, not at my front door.
We must admit the our Lord works in mysteriously ways. going through history we see that the Church is always opened to those who want to come in. back in the days when Catholics in England were persecuted and murdered, there were not very many left, yet today there are more Catholics than anglicans. try to explain that. here in US Catholics were persecuted and forced to become protestants, yet today there are more Catholics than protestants. figure this one out if you can.

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Southern Baptist Convention, look it up sir.
I have—there is no “Baptist/Methodist” denomination.
How does it beg that question? 🤷
Well, that is based on two parts, about erhm, 79% of the family is Baptist, 20% Methodist, 1% me
Ahem—why are they not all Souther Baptists? You do realize that Baptists and Methodists believe different things?
Why? Well, I do believe its cause of the regions. Our families migrated to the south pre-civil war, but part of them stayed with them up their, we raised cotton on slave plantations in Virginia, Tennessee, and Georgia; they raised cows on small farms in Indiana. Then later on, hundred years maybe, the Northern part of the family decided to “secede” from the major part of the family since they faced a lot of **** from us for being yanks (yes I call anyone from the North that) so they changed denominations, and I do believe to this day, thats why they always stare at me, like I am some kind of outsider or something, when I try to talk to my cousins who are from there. That is why, I do not really care about anyone’s denomination, I care about their beliefs, but really, it doesn’t matter if your ok, then your ok.
Sorry about spamming family history, but ehrm, I hope I answered it lol
Funny, because Catholics believe the same things no matter where in the world we are.
 
I have—there is no “Baptist/Methodist” denomination.

Ahem—why are they not all Souther Baptists? You do realize that Baptists and Methodists believe different things?

Funny, because Catholics believe the same things no matter where in the world we are.
lol, ignore my statement, its doing you so much good…

I explained why, I guess you didn’t read that part.

Do you believe all protestants go to hell?
 
lol, ignore my statement, its doing you so much good…
Follow the thread. I claimed that Protestantism is an engine of schism. You attempt to rebut by claiming that 3 generations of your family are Southern Baptist…well, except for those who are Methodists. There has therefore been a schism within your own family, thus proving my point.
I explained why, I guess you didn’t read that part.
Read the whole thing. Didn’t need any more ammunition to prove my point, which you very nicely did.
Do you believe all protestants go to hell?
No, unlike the Southern Baptist Convention’s position on Catholics we Catholics recognize Protestants as Christians and thus hold out the hope of heaven for them. You’ll find it in the Catechism under “invincible ignorance”.
 
Follow the thread. I claimed that Protestantism is an engine of schism. You attempt to rebut by claiming that 3 generations of your family are Southern Baptist…well, except for those who are Methodists. There has therefore been a schism within your own family, thus proving my point.

No, unlike the Southern Baptist Convention’s position on Catholics we Catholics recognize Protestants as Christians and thus hold out the hope of heaven for them. You’ll find it in the Catechism under “invincible ignorance”.
I did not try to rebut anything, I explained that my family has had a lot of family that is Baptist, and the Methodist ones changed due to living in a completely different part of the country, not because they actually dis-approve of Baptists.

Then your religion is obviously not united. I have been told by more then 1 catholic, back when I was a protestant, that I was going to hell for not being Catholic. So your probably not as united as you think…:o
 
I did not try to rebut anything, I explained that my family has had a lot of family that is Baptist, and the Methodist ones changed due to living in a completely different part of the country, not because they actually dis-approve of Baptists.
I’ll do you the disservice of quoting you:
My great-grandma had 13 children and she was a baptist, and they all remained baptist, and still are, and all their children are raised baptist/methodist, so erhm ya, :eek: , apparently your idea that protestants don’t have enough is false friend.
Looks like an attempted refutation to me.
Then your religion is obviously not united. I have been told by more then 1 catholic, back when I was a protestant, that I was going to hell for not being Catholic. So your probably not as united as you think…:o
You’ve introduced 2 more errors:
  1. “Not all” is not the same as “all”. Because many Southern Baptists drink alcohol does not mean that Southern Baptists do not teach temperance or are not unified in that teaching. That is why they sneak in and out of the liquor store.
  2. Some Catholic of your past acquaintance is not an authoritative source on Church teaching. We have a written Catechism. Should you run into such a problem in the future, ask them to point in the Catechism to where the Catholic Church teaches whatever they’re claiming.
Speaking of which, where may we find the Southern Baptist Catechism?
 
lol—a religious community has to be unified before it can produce documents which require it. There can be no catechism where there is no unity.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Catechism is here, available to all:

scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
lol, I love you guys. I am sure your the only ‘united’ religion in the world. I doubt anyone can be as united as you…
 
lol, I love you guys. I am sure your the only ‘united’ religion in the world. I doubt anyone can be as united as you…
Has anyone even tried?

2,000 years and counting, from Pentecost to today. The Catholic Church—accept no substitutes! 👍
 
LCMS = Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod. Some of what I said applies to conservative Lutherans too. And I am leaning Catholic.

Catholics should not be content if they can do more, but just as it is with Muslims, Jews, and Protestants, at some point a family really takes up most of one’s time. You’re definitely right about courage and potential.
Thanks for the info and thanks for the sentiments;)
 
lol, I love you guys. I am sure your the only ‘united’ religion in the world. I doubt anyone can be as united as you…
Go anywhere in the world and Catholicism’s ultimate expression of worship,the Holy Mass and the breaking of the bread or the Eucharist are the same.U.S.A.,Canada,Mexico,South Africa,Australia,Thailand and to infinity and beyond as Buzz Lightyear would say.

The Body of Christ is united under Peter"s successor,Pope Benedict XVI.The Catholic Church circa 33AD.We are obeying Christ’s prayer that “they may all be one”.That’s not Triumphalism,that’s Fact. 👍
 
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