Why isn't guaranteed maternity leave a "pro-life" imperative?

[gcshapero]

Definitely. I suspect we’re pretty much at an agreement with this.

 

[Theo520]

I’ve heard similar advice about resisting foreign meddling.

And we have caused the instability in many cases with our meddling, we are very imperfect and bi-polar at times.

Have you watched my video link. It shows in general how post WW2 diplomacy has likely saved millions of lives through fewer large scale conflicts

 

[philipl]

I have been in the corporate world for 30 years and every single one had maternity leave. All of them offered paid time after you used you vacation and PTO. You make it sound as if all women that get pregnant are fired the moment the boss finds out.

 

[Vonsalza]

I have been in the corporate world for 30 years and every single one had maternity leave. All of them offered paid time after you used you vacation and PTO. You make it sound as if all women that get pregnant are fired the moment the boss finds out.

In a highly competitive employment setting, she’s less in-the-game late in the pregnancy and completely out-of-the-game for months afterward.

Not an attractive employee, particularly on long projects. I completely understand why, from a purely business perspective, pregnant women are bad investments. Of course, you don’t let them go due to pregnancy. That’s illegal. You let them go because you needed to scale back or because she was a poor fit. And you made completely sure that “pregnant” wasn’t present on any correspondence that could be traced to you in the discovery period prior to court.

Even in the government sector my wife works in, she knew darn good and well that applying for a different position was a practical impossibility when we were still having kids.

-But because of the enormous societal value these sacrificing women have, we pass laws to protect them. I think women ought to be eligible for disability or something akin for the first year the child is here.

 

[Crocus]

Because the pro-life cause is largely championed by the Republican Party which is far, FAR more pro-business than they are pro-life.

In reality, they’re just verbally pro-life in order to get some of working-class to vote for them.

I suspect this is the strategy of the vast number of politicians, it’s politics after all.

The pro-life position has little chance of success in the political arena. Education and practical solutions to people’s problems will go farther.

 

[Pup7]

Sure, but if he made less, I would have a fulltime job and just return to work after my PTO/disability was expended if I had a Csection.

Not every state has disability that covers pregnancy. Not everyone qualifies for FMLA. Not everyone earns PTO.

That’s my point. We don’t even mandate earning PTO in this country. The only employer that falls under a mandate for that is the Federal government, including the Pentagon/DOD.

 

[Pup7]

I think women ought to be eligible for disability or something akin for the first year the child is here

Pregnant women aren’t disabled. That’s the wrong moniker.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

I think women ought to be eligible for disability or something akin for the first year the child is here

Pregnant women aren’t disabled. That’s the wrong moniker.

Apologies. I was just think about how to implement it. I also think that pregnant women and new moms should be issued handicap parking passes for the first year, even though they aren’t handicapped. Make them pink, if it makes anyone feel better.

 

[Pup7]

If the zone’s so hot that these organization won’t set up camp, then call the UN. Regardless, you’ve presented no good argument to support the ludicrous idea that refugee aid = American military installation.

Exactly when have we done that as a permanent entity? I’m intrigued. And miring myself into the very thing I said I was going to avoid.

If you’re going to fly in aid, you need somewhere to do it. You need support. You need security, and then you need the bodies to support the people there cranking the mission.

You can’t move everything in and out of there every time you take off. It doesn’t work that way.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

If the zone’s so hot that these organization won’t set up camp, then call the UN. Regardless, you’ve presented no good argument to support the ludicrous idea that refugee aid = American military installation.

Exactly when have we done that as a permanent entity? I’m intrigued.

Not saying we did. Just arguing against the suggestion I was replying to that refugee aid and military assistance are bed-fellows.

And miring myself into the very thing I said I was going to avoid.

c’est la vie

 

[Pup7]

I also think that pregnant women and new moms should be issued handicap parking passes for the first year, even though they aren’t handicapped.

Totally disagree with this. What that does is then fills up the spaces for people like my mother, who at one time was seventy navigating a wheelchair with my 74 year old dad in it.

Sorry, but they can walk.

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

I also think that pregnant women and new moms should be issued handicap parking passes for the first year, even though they aren’t handicapped.

Totally disagree with this. What that does is then fills up the spaces for people like my mother, who at one time was seventy navigating a wheelchair with my 74 year old dad in it.

Sorry, but they can walk.

Sure, as can most folks who use them - the righteous exception that the program was actually designed for duly noted.

But for the sake of a hair more substance - many pregnant women in the last trimester experience similar symptoms to those suffering from mid-stage heart failure. As to whether those women shold walk from the back of a southern Wal-Mart parking lot in July, my answer is a fairly firm “nope”.

 

[Pup7]

Sure, as can most folks who use them

Which is basically irrelevant. Pregnant women and mothers aren’t disabled.

But for the sake of a hair more substance - many pregnant women in the last trimester experience similar symptoms to those suffering from mid-stage heart failure. As to whether those women shold walk from the back of a southern Wal-Mart parking lot in July, my answer is a fairly firm “nope”.

If they’re having that much trouble, and it’s not every woman who does, a provider actually CAN write for a temp disabled tag.

 

[Pup7]

Just arguing against the suggestion I was replying to that refugee aid and military assistance are bed-fellows.

You do know we are, correct? And that we do this on a daily basis?

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Sure, as can most folks who use them

Which is basically irrelevant. Pregnant women and mothers aren’t disabled.

As I understand it Pup, my mother’s handicapped parking tag has an expiration date on it. I’m sure we can leverage that attribute to solve the problem.

Vonsalza:

But for the sake of a hair more substance - many pregnant women in the last trimester experience similar symptoms to those suffering from mid-stage heart failure. As to whether those women shold walk from the back of a southern Wal-Mart parking lot in July, my answer is a fairly firm “nope”.

If they’re having that much trouble, and it’s not every woman who does, a provider actually CAN write for a temp disabled tag.

…which is essentially what I want…

 

[Monica83]

Of course. I don’t earn PTO. I currently work in private pay home health. A lot of reliable home health workers prefer it because they earn more than going through an agency that pays you a fraction of what you earn through private pay and yes, my employers pay taxes and I pay taxes on my income. Paid long-term maternity leave would simply not work with my current employer. I think mandating such a thing through employers would gravely affect home care. Luckily though one of my coworkers has been pregnant and was even allowed to bring the baby to work.

 

[Pup7]

As I understand it Pup, my mother’s handicapped parking tag has an expiration date on it. I’m sure we can leverage that attribute to solve the problem.

It does, but that is not the point.

…which is essentially what I want…

All they have to do is ask. They can get one.

 

[Vonsalza]

It does, but that is not the point.

I disagree. I think the sweeping assumption that women in the late stages of being with-child or recently post-partum “can walk like the rest of us” is a bit calloused and over-broad, particularly as women are having children later and later, which is not without biological consequence.

Vonsalza:

…which is essentially what I want…

All they have to do is ask. They can get one.

Happy to come to conflicting agreement, then.

 

[TheLittleLady]

It is now common knowledge that on average a family (assuming 2 working parents?) received a $200 dollar per month raise? Where the heck is mine!

 

[Pup7]

I disagree. I think the sweeping assumption that women in the late stages of being with-child or recently post-partum “can walk like the rest of us” is a bit calloused and over-broad, particularly as women are having children later and later, which is not without biological consequence.

And as I said - they CAN get a temp tag. It’s easy. All they have to do is ask.

I was born when my mother was 39, almost 40, in the heat of the Hawaii summer. She had severe low back pain, borderline preeclampsia, a rare antibody disorder (her body was treating me like a foreign invader), gestational diabetes and a husband who was gone for seven months while she had three other kids at home. Folks manage. And she couldn’t get a temp tag back then.