Why isn't guaranteed maternity leave a "pro-life" imperative?

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Exactly. This is subsidiarity and it is a core Catholic principle. Let the states come up with their own solutions instead of Washington D.C.

As someone else already noted, is there any evidence that this policy would decrease abortion? Because unless someone can provide statistics that say “paid maternity leave decreases abortion” then we’re basically just arguing politics here.
 
I really don’t think it has anything to do with abortion rates and everything to do with caring for families and lowering post-childbirth complications.

I’m all for it, and I think it meshes well with a pro-life stance.
 
Personally, I think the United States would be best served by a growing economy.

The average US family earned $5000 less when Barack Obama left office than they did the day he entered office.

Expecting small to medium sized business to absorb the unexpected cost of months of salary for someone who isn’t working would kill the economy.

Given the mass exodus of traditional service sector jobs the US needs all of the help it can get. Shuttering small business is not the way to do it.

Grow the rapidly shrinking middle class, and we can talk about socialist policies.

How is the poor unwed mother going to make it when there is no job for her? I think that is a more appropriate question than the one posed. The economy needs growth.
 
Do you want to see women quit getting hired for jobs? Because that’s how you see women quit getting hired for jobs.
 
HolySpirit said:
Personally, I think the United States would be best served by a growing economy.

The average US family earned $5000 less when Barack Obama left office than they did the day he entered office.

Expecting small to medium sized business to absorb the unexpected cost of months of salary for someone who isn’t working would kill the economy.

Given the mass exodus of traditional service sector jobs the US needs all of the help it can get. Shuttering small business is not the way to do it.

Grow the rapidly shrinking middle class, and we can talk about socialist policies.

How is the poor unwed mother going to make it when there is no job for her? I think that is a more appropriate question than the one posed. The economy needs growth.
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What most people advocate is Federal mandate supported by tax revenue. That’s how the rest of the world does it. Otherwise, I agree with what you’re saying.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
Do you want to see women quit getting hired for jobs? Because that’s how you see women quit getting hired for jobs.
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Because of maternity leave?

That’s discrimination, and it’s illegal, and if the numbers of women being hired dropped, it would be obvious that that was happening.

It’s not stopping women from being recruited.
 
If it became law I can assure it would effect hiring practices. Employers can’t just absorb costs like paying an employee who isn’t producing anything. Either they’d quit hiring as many women or they’d have to raise their prices a lot.
 
As I said, most are in favor of Federal mandate supported by Federal taxes. That’s how the rest of the world does it.

And recruitment hasn’t dropped here, nor has Federal hiring changed.

It’s illegal to discriminate, and it would be simple to figure out.
 
I don’t think that paid maternity leave makes any difference in the abortion rate.
 
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Google is your friend. Look up family salary in 2008 vs. 2016, or go back and watch any one of the 18 Republican debates.
 
You would have to phase it in over several years.

I don’t think the economy could handle it all at once.
 
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JanSobieskiIII:
Do you want to see women quit getting hired for jobs? Because that’s how you see women quit getting hired for jobs.
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Because of maternity leave?

That’s discrimination, and it’s illegal, and if the numbers of women being hired dropped, it would be obvious that that was happening.

It’s not stopping women from being recruited.
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Yes, it’s illegal. However, I’ve heard from people in Germany that while it’s illegal to discriminate based on sex, in practice it’s more difficult for a young woman to get a job because employees (esp smaller businesses) will often hire a man because they fear the paid maternity leave.

I’m all for paid leave. However, the problem with a mandated, blanket approach is that it has a negative effect when it comes to small businesses.

Large corporations… mandate the heck out of them for paid leave. But, we have to be careful with small businesses and niche / technical professions where it’s not possible to hire a temp to cover.

The corporations can afford to cover the leave, and a lot of them are doing it already to be competitive. But the small startups and small businesses, which already can’t complete with large businesses in terms of benefits, could suffer and find ways (like in Germany) to hire men.

NOTE: I don’t have a source for what I said about Germany. Most of it came from a Quora thread regarding which place is better to live, Germany or the United States. After listing a ton a reasons why Germany was better than the US, this German did mention that young women have a harder time in Germany getting a job than in the US and that the US is better for small business owners.
 
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Pup7:
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JanSobieskiIII:
Do you want to see women quit getting hired for jobs? Because that’s how you see women quit getting hired for jobs.
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Because of maternity leave?

That’s discrimination, and it’s illegal, and if the numbers of women being hired dropped, it would be obvious that that was happening.

It’s not stopping women from being recruited.
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Yes, it’s illegal. However, I’ve heard from people in Germany that while it’s illegal to discriminate based on sex, in practice it’s more difficult for a young woman to get a job because employees (esp smaller businesses) will often hire a man because they fear the paid maternity leave.

I’m all for paid leave. However, the problem with a mandated, blanket approach is that it has a negative effect when it comes to small businesses.

Large corporations… mandate the heck out of them for paid leave. But, we have to be careful with small businesses and niche / technical professions where it’s not possible to hire a temp to cover.

The corporations can afford to cover the leave, and a lot of them are doing it already to be competitive. But the small startups and small businesses, which already can’t complete with large businesses in terms of benefits, could suffer and find ways (like in Germany) to hire men.

NOTE: I don’t have a source for what I said about Germany. Most of it came from a Quora thread regarding which place is better to live, Germany or the United States. After listing a ton a reasons why Germany was better than the US, this German did mention that young women have a harder time in Germany getting a job than in the US and that the US is better for small business owners.
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In the U.K., it’s paid by tax revenue. My understanding is that’s how it’s paid for in most places. Taxes.

I do agree with what you’re saying. But I think it should be Fed law and Fed funded - or supplemented by tax revenue to cover the very employers you speak of. That might even be a better way: subsidies.
 
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Pup7 said:
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phil19034:
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Pup7:
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JanSobieskiIII:
Do you want to see women quit getting hired for jobs? Because that’s how you see women quit getting hired for jobs.
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Because of maternity leave?

That’s discrimination, and it’s illegal, and if the numbers of women being hired dropped, it would be obvious that that was happening.

It’s not stopping women from being recruited.
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Yes, it’s illegal. However, I’ve heard from people in Germany that while it’s illegal to discriminate based on sex, in practice it’s more difficult for a young woman to get a job because employees (esp smaller businesses) will often hire a man because they fear the paid maternity leave.

I’m all for paid leave. However, the problem with a mandated, blanket approach is that it has a negative effect when it comes to small businesses.

Large corporations… mandate the heck out of them for paid leave. But, we have to be careful with small businesses and niche / technical professions where it’s not possible to hire a temp to cover.

The corporations can afford to cover the leave, and a lot of them are doing it already to be competitive. But the small startups and small businesses, which already can’t complete with large businesses in terms of benefits, could suffer and find ways (like in Germany) to hire men.

NOTE: I don’t have a source for what I said about Germany. Most of it came from a Quora thread regarding which place is better to live, Germany or the United States. After listing a ton a reasons why Germany was better than the US, this German did mention that young women have a harder time in Germany getting a job than in the US and that the US is better for small business owners.
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In the U.K., it’s paid by tax revenue. My understanding is that’s how it’s paid for in most places. Taxes.
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But what do businesses do when they loose their employee for X amount of time, eps in jobs where hiring a temp isn’t realistic?

Also, no nation in Europe has 300,000,000 people like the United States.

If we were to have tax payer supported family leave, then it would really need to be done on the State or County level to be efficient. For example, someone living in Bismark ND doesn’t need the same pay as someone living & working in NYC.

So it wouldn’t be fair for North Dakotans to pay for salaries in NY or CA.

But if it’s done at the state or county level, then people can pay a more reasonable rate to help their neighbors.

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In addition to points previously mentioned, a long, guaranteed, paid, maternity leave further allows for women to achieve the same level of success in the workplace, as well as to have children.

As TheLittleLady very keenly pointed out, most abortions happen because the woman doesn’t feel as though she is ready for a child. Implementing a better ML system would effectively begin to weed out that argument.
 
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